| Author | Message | ||
     Cityxslicker |
Its past the time to take out Mecca and Medina, It should have been done on September 13 or 14th 2001. Now with the global ADD/ADHD, it just makes us look like global imperialist bullies. When we quit the self deprecating a$$ kissing for the sake of political correctness and feel good policy maybe we can get something done. Until then, expect more attacks. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but you are an idiot to think that just because there is a new guy in office it all ends. (I did notice that the media has quit covering Iraq for the most part... 6 whole days with no mention of it on the local news... curious indeed) I guess nobody wants to admit that people are still dying under a failed occupation there. Admit we are there for OIL. Seize it, take the facilities, the ports, the air fields, the pipelines, and let them have their miserable little pizzant speck of sand back to fight sunni vs shiite all day long. THEN go after the families of the hijackers, yep the saudis, these should have been the original targets of our retaliation. Russia had a terrorist kidnap situation in Moscow during the holiday Theater season a couple years back. They tear gassed the building, went in, and double tapped everybody in a skimask in the head. Identified them, and their families were 'disappeared', their houses were levelled and their assets seized.... Seemed to have worked. | ||
| Aesquire |
A friend just gave me a recent copy of Shotgun News. The editorial was on the terrorists in Mumbai. 9+ guys took a ship from Pakistan, took an inflatable boat into the harbor, and killed multiple people at 10 locations, a Jewish Community center, Hospital, train station, before settling in to a siege at posh hotel & Community center. Targeted were Americans & Jews. The police were pretty useless, just as they have been in other mass shootings like Virginia Tech, & Columbine. They dressed as American college students & were well trained & enthusiastic about their mission. They had a great time killing people. Like I often say, take your typical dead teenager movie, add 1 concealed carry permit holder, armed, and the movie lasts about 12 minutes. "Hey, there's some guy in a mask with a machete killing students.... %^&&$ look at the dead guy with the mask! Call for ambulances, this sh^ts over." Cityxslicker, you didn't know? Iraq is over. We won. The media quit carrying Iraq news when the "surge" ( change in tactics ) worked, and it was no longer viable for the political party of media choice to continue to scream that we were losing. So, they didn't cover it. The media changed tactics from "Booosh's fault" to "Palin's a bimbo" & she was not involved in Iraq, so get over it, they won't report on it anymore. I'll agree with several years of "failed occupation", but I wonder how long it would have taken even if we did it "right" from the beginning. We may have had to kill a few thousand terrorists & it took time for people living under a murderous dictator to get the idea of self rule. I dunno. I might even go along with YOUR plan to seize the oil fields, control the border, killing all the Iranian invaders, and letting the locals kill each other instead of being responsible. That would mean Sadr would be toast, good, but I doubt a viable representative government would have evolved from the smoking ruins of the cities. Next time, ( Iran ) let's try it your way, OK? All about OIL!?? Don't you mean revenge for trying to kill daddy? or a plot to take over the government and stay in power long after his terms are over? or the giant weather machine at Gitmo to steer Hurricanes at Dem, voters? LOL you are behind the propaganda curve, dude. We didn't steal the oil, ( darn it ) missed our chance to mass murder the people in the holy cities, ( I get the anger, but how many children are you comfortable killing? ) and failed to push the Saudi's into overthrowing their King & becoming an even worse, richer theocratic state waging holy war with holy OIL. The Russian Theater attack didn't go all that well for the Russians. They killed civies with the 'knockout gas', dithered for too long & let many children be raped and killed before it was over. Note to police & armed civilians, when the shooting starts, get in there & kill the bad guys to stop it. Now. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Imagine: John Lennon We the peaple of planet earth are doomed to repeat the past/presant/future over and over again with out end. We simply do not learn. Stupid Stupid Stupid. How great would this planet be if? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
John Lennon was a fool. His foolishness killed him. He, like most Kumbaya, hug the world types, failed to recognize that evil exists and that hugs and kisses won't dispel it. Hatred, malice, greed, envy all exist in the absence of any outside influence. There are people who will kill you just because they can. They may blame it on something (anything) to justify their actions. There has never been a society containing humans what has ever been equal or fair or just or plentiful or prosperous enough to provide for the complete eradication of evil. We can only work to contain it at worst and kill it where it stands at best. | ||
| Mikej |
We just had an election, I thought things were going to change now, maybe I was wrong. Oh well, maybe someone could find something fresher to quote. In the mean time I'll be in the back yard building an igloo. ps, here's something fresher to talk about: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1429970/obama_letter_to_iran_to_open_diplomatic.html And the accompanying response: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/01/62113554/1 (Message edited by mikej on January 30, 2009) | ||
| Ezblast |
how many children are you comfortable killing? We don't have to - thats the point they are killing their own children - strapping bombs to them, etc. - they are sub-human, are not liked by their own neighbors, and only tolerated because they are killing Israelites and Americans,If they did not have the fore mentioned for enemies the Arab Nations themselves would have wiped them out a while ago. EZ | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Ha Ha Ha, So if a man dares to Imagine a brotherhood of man this makes him a fool? If he dreams to take borders/countries,releigon, greed out of the equation this is what makes a man a fool? Ok, call me a fool if it makes you happy! So jest beacuse there is evil in all mans hearts, one should give up on the dream of peace & love of/for one another? The real fools are those who dare not imagine,dream, strive to bring peace joy to all mankind, think out side of the trap/ring of death. I dare all man to put asside their differances/hate and make the world a better place, hint it starts from within each and every single person on this planet.. Yes I must take a long look at whats in my heart, I may not like what I find/see. Imagine if half the time/energy/money was spent on the brotherhood of man, and this is meant for all nations/religions/mankind how much better would the world be? I say to those who dare not dream, they will continue to hate, kill, and repeat the past/presant/future over and over till the end of time, kill or be killed is the thinking of fools. Then fools shall contunue with out end. Dare to break the cycle. Imagine. | ||
| P_squared |
Utopia vs. Reality. Dream all you want, but evil will continue to exist. Those who wish for peace must be prepared for war. It's a simple truth and not likely to go away anytime soon. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Reality: Whats in mankinds heart is evil. Reality: Whats in mankinds heart can be changed. | ||
| Blake |
"What's in mankinds' heart can be changed." For some? Sure. For all? Not likely. | ||
| P_squared |
I don't doubt that SOME hearts of men can be changed. Ghandi & the Dalai Lama are good examples of folks who have provoked change in some hearts. But here's the kicker, man, as a species, is born with free will. We will never all agree/get along. It's a nice dream, but it's never going to happen. The best a person can hope for, when faced with that reality, is to do everything they can to promote peace & goodness. When they can't & become threatened, you are faced with 2 choices: -Admit defeat & become subjugated to another's control and/or become extinct. -Fight to defend your life & beliefs. Curious thing is that most folks don't like being subjugated or exterminated. Evil exists in men & always will. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The nature of man is evil. Sending out good "vibes" doesn't change that. There will ALWAYS be those who chose the dark path over that of light. There will always be those who take the way that is wide instead of the way that is narrow. There will always be those willing to cut corners and compromise integrity for their own personal gains. As long as these people exist, and they always will, paradise on earth is a fantasy. John Lennon was a fool. The "Great Society" will never come to pass. | ||
| Oldog |
Its past the time to take out Mecca and Medina, It should have been done on September 13 or 14th 2001. While I share that sentiment, This .......it just makes us look like global imperialist bullies. would have resulted reguardless. Granted at that time it would have seemed justifyable. The miserable bastards that are acting as hate mongers in that part of the world must be eradicated. The "surge" and the tactic of meeting with the locals, working with them to remove the THUGS from the area is how "WE" win. The the non combatants need to understand that IF you allow the Hezbollah, alquada, hamas or any other like group to exist in your country you are only going to have misery and destruction for your people, The are not by my estimation interested in Peace but only furthering their own twisted agenda, the actions of Hamas and the Palestinian government seem to prove this} On the issue of our press and its slant, some form of accountability would be nice but how? | ||
| Greenlantern |
John Lennon was a fool. His foolishness killed him. Geez , lighten up! The guy was just going back to his home after work when some A hole shot him. Freewill : The one thing that separates us from the rest of God's creatures. Freewill: The reason men commit deplorable acts.,Evil is not a sentient bogeyman who whispers threats in your ear. Freewill: The only tool mankind needs to cure it's ills. Problem is somebody lost the instruction manual and the old reverse engineering thing just is not panning out well. But there is always ...Hope....and Faith.....if you have the Freewill to embrace it. | ||
| Ezblast |
Dad always said - Wish in one hand and spit in the other - which gets full first? - lol - Peace is a great thing, and the peace found at my enemies grave site - the best. EZ | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Geez , lighten up! The guy was just going back to his home after work when some A hole shot him. It was his failure to recognize that true evil could exist in spite of your hopes and dreams of utopia that caused him not to be vigilant. We fell under the same spell. 9/11 was the result. Lennon saw humanity through fantasy goggles. He believed that his hope for humanity would be sufficient to ward off those who would harm him. He is not alone. That same pervasive naivity has become ingrained in foreign policy as well as domestic social programs. "If we are just good enough to them and give them stuff and wish them well, they won't want to wage war on us." "If we just remove the burden of healtcare, housing, and food for people, they will be responsible, well adjusted citizens." The problem is it ain't true. It wasn't true for the hippies, it wasn't true for Lennon, and it ain't true today. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
My dad always said of items that were useless or ridiculous: "I'll take two. One to crap on and one to cover it up with." It's become an inside joke between my wife and myself. "I'll take two....." | ||
| Greenlantern |
It was his failure to recognize that true evil could exist in spite of your hopes and dreams of utopia that caused him not to be vigilant. I said nothing about "utopia" and it was a deranged stalker, not the prince of darkness who shot him. High profile does not demand high drama. There are countless reasons in addition to evil to be vigilant for ones self and country.It is not ideology but laziness and lack of will that blinds people to reality. I am not big on scapegoats, especially ideological ones. Just my take. If it came off as harsh it was not meant to. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
So then it is true, the only way to fight evel is with twice as much evel? Then this is truely a very sad state of affairs, EVIL HAS WON, there is no hope for mankind. Guess I should go get me some guns, an prepair to KILL KILL KILL. Can't beet um join um. It does sound kind of fun once you realy think about it. Nuke um all who cares if its only a small percent that no f'ing good. Then we can take/use all the oil out little evil hearts desire. Anyone got a problem with that F'um nuke them too1 Ha Ha JESUS CHRIST and ALL THOSE WHO SOUGHT A BETTER WAY DIED IN VAIN VERRRY FUNNY. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I said nothing about "utopia" and it was a deranged stalker, not the prince of darkness who shot him. High profile does not demand high drama. There are countless reasons in addition to evil to be vigilant for ones self and country.It is not ideology but laziness and lack of will that blinds people to reality. I am not big on scapegoats, especially ideological ones. Just my take. If it came off as harsh it was not meant to. The problem was that he, like others who are idealists, fail to grasp that reality (including the reality of deranged stalkers) must be part of the equation. It's why I lock my doors. It's why I am proficient with a hand gun. It's why I take self defense and martial arts training. It's why I assume someone walking up to me on the street is a possible threat until I learn otherwise. I don't take a dim view of my fellow man as a result, I have just become very good at judging people. THAT is the vigilance I am talking about. Lennon sought to create a world, at least in his own mind, where everyone was friendly and posed no threat. It simply isn't true. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
So every time an inocent victom of a deranged stalker/killer gets themselves killed it is some how the victoms own falt? wow! All them collage kids did it to themselve all along I never would have guessed. For whats it worth, Paranoia strikes deep into your life it will creep it starts when your always afraid? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
So then it is true, the only way to fight evel is with twice as much evel? Then this is truely a very sad state of affairs, EVIL HAS WON, there is no hope for mankind. Guess I should go get me some guns, an prepair to KILL KILL KILL. Can't beet um join um. It does sound kind of fun once you realy think about it. Nuke um all who cares if its only a small percent that no f'ing good. Then we can take/use all the oil out little evil hearts desire. Anyone got a problem with that F'um nuke them too1 Ha Ha JESUS CHRIST and ALL THOSE WHO SOUGHT A BETTER WAY DIED IN VAIN VERRRY FUNNY. Jesus would have hated to see war, but he would have understood it was necessary. Jesus would be willing to face true evil and kill it where it stood. In fact, he did. For all time. God was willing to destroy two entire cities because the people contained therein were "evil" and without redemption. God was willing to flood the entire earth because man had become so completely corrupt. God was willing to put the entire city of Jericho under the knife and kill every man, woman, child, cattle, sheep and goat because of their wickedness. Conversely, God was willing to provide a path to redemption for all man kind. Not to turn this into a theological discussion, but you started it. Wouldn't you think that if there were a perfect formula for the perfect society that we would have come up with it by now, that SOME society SOMEWHERE would have made it possible? Man, of his own efforts, can not escape is natural tendencies (greed, malice, hatred, envy, sloth, gluttony, etc.). | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Lennon sought to create a world, at least in his own mind, where everyone was friendly and posed no threat. Is this not what God and JC was looking for all along? But yet you call Lennon a fool for this very thought? Ten commanments, turn the other cheek and all? | ||
| P_squared |
Sheep, meet Sheepdog. Sheepdog, meet sheep. Meh. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Lennon believed that you could just try to be nice and it would happen. The problem is that man, in and of himself, lacks the ability to overcome his core nature. It's like someone dying of terminal cancer willing themselves well. Lennon also "imagined" a world without God. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Man, of his own efforts, can not escape is natural tendencies (greed, malice, hatred, envy, sloth, gluttony, etc.). See mabey if the leaders in charge sought out higher counsile this contunueing spirral of evil violence could be stoped? Your right Mankind can not do it on his own. we have the HELPER we as a peaple refuse to use it. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Agreed. The problem is that man is willing to seek ANYTHING to fill the void to cure the disease of human tendencies when there is only one cure. By seeking to cure his own natural tendencies toward evil, man is able to keep himself at the center of his own universe. | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Lennon also "imagined" a world without God. Well its no wounder one would inagine a world with out God. The number one reason from the dawn of time to this day that has bee used to kill is in the name of God. Tell me how SAD is that? | ||
| Greenlantern |
The problem is that man, in and of himself, lacks the ability to overcome his core nature. Well then I guess any discussion about subject matter of this nature is pointless and a waste our our time and resources since it is then entirely in God's hands..... and with that out of the way,  I'd like to "peace, love and hug" that! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Using God to justify evil acts is no different than using "the greater good" to enslave a people. The only difference is that bashing God is popular. |
