| Author | Message | ||
     Kyrocket |
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| Danger_dave |
See - Drop Bear arms are too short. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Constitution?? Aussies can't remember the words to the national anthem! | ||
| Ratyson |
HA.. That is pretty funny... Here in America, disarming the public would only take guns away from law abiding citizens... It wouldn't affect the criminals in any way... Well, except to make them much more powerful by ensuring that they were the only ones with guns. I think it was already said here... If a criminal wants to obtain some ammunition, he/she is most likely not going to purchase it. He/she is probably going to steal it. And if it is stolen from a person who purchased it legally, and that person cannot prove without a doubt that he was really sitting on the couch that night watching his recording of the young and the restless when that young lady was raped and shot... Guess who is going to be charged with rape and murder? The criminal who stole the bullets and no one can find or ID?? Heck no.. Mr. Henry J. Applepie who may not have noticed that his basement door had been opened, and a box of .45 rounds was taken last night. Is he guilty of poor handling of his property and ammunition? Maybe. Is he guilty of raping an innocent woman, then shooting her dead? Absolutely possitively not, by any stretch of the imagination. But because some single-level thinker thought it would be a great idea to put some numbers and letters on a bullet, Mr. Applepie now gets to spend the rest of his life in prison, playing housewife to "The Bruiser" for doing nothing more than being unattentive to his basement door. (Message edited by ratyson on December 04, 2008) | ||
| Danger_dave |
And yes it's a different set of root circumstances as discussed in a dozen other threads. I'm just saying it can be done - we done done it. | ||
| Babired |
Ever see the movie Walking Tall? | ||
| Ratyson |
I hear ya Dave. And if you guys can do it, that is definitely something to be proud of. | ||
| Nukeblue |
i'm surprised just how many people are talking about this. i thought it was just me & my crazy buddies... | ||
| Glitch |
People shouldn't be afraid of their government, governments should be afraid of their people. | ||
| Gunut75 |
HMMMM.....touchy issue! Clinton as Sec. of State?! God I hope not. The government taking away our right to defend OURSELVES?! I've already been hunting this year to fill my freezer. What do you tell the people in the U.S. that HAVE to hunt to get thier food? Not all of us live near a grocery store. The saddening part, is that no matter how many laws the gov. passes, there are too many guns and ammo out in the public to keep track of. I assure you, there are more guns and ammo than criminals. Mabye the gov. should focus on the criminal, not the law abiding citizen. Too bad (most) politicians are more interested in lining thier pockets, and performing in the interest of thier own personal agenda, than being "by the people, for the people". Mabye the gov. should focus on the laws already at hand, and make it tougher on the criminal. If the gov. makes it illegal for me to defend myself against an attack (Florida, three years ago), I will proudly take the jail sentence.......Hmm.....I wonder why FL abolished that law.......................................IT DID NOT WORK!!! | ||
| Nukeblue |
exactly glitch. i don't know if it's been mentioned here before but get a chance do a little research on the "thought crime prevention bill" (Message edited by nukeblue on December 04, 2008) | ||
| Hexangler |
It also would remove the only means of truly retaining freedom and liberty. I know a lot of people scoff at that idea, and I understand why. It seems so far-fetched to think about our government taking on a role of dictatorship, until it happens. With full military might, my little bang-bangs ain't going to make a difference, except maybe make me a choicer target. Don't want them taken away though, make me fell like an American (just like my Harley and my Buell). That ammo requirement has too many ways around it to control a determined criminal. Zip guns, ammo, and ratchet knives are too easy to make anyway. ...or one of these:  | ||
| Ratyson |
With full military might, my little bang-bangs ain't going to make a difference, except maybe make me a choicer target. I have a view on that angle... wanna hear it? Here it go... I was in the Navy for 5 years, and I had this conversation with many folks during that time... The fact of the matter was, most of the people in the military would not turn a gun on their own citizens. No matter who was giving the orders, it was pretty much the one thing that would turn a good soldier against his commanding officer. Upon joining the military, the oath was sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States of America... An attack on it's people by the military is contrary to that Oath. An armed conflict type revolution would have big guns on both sides. } | ||
| Glitch |
I have a couple of crossbows to go with my rifles and pistols. Ones pistol like the other rifle like. I know it's a bit corny but it's true: If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. | ||
| Ratyson |
WOOLVAREEEEEEEEENS! ha! (Message edited by ratyson on December 04, 2008) | ||
| B00stzx3 |
I'm just waiting for Canada to try something....... Go ahead and try Canada were ready | ||
| Thunderbox |
Yah | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Obama isn't even in office yet and the s*** storm is already brewing. Those Dems are like rabid dogs chomping at the bit. They can't wait till Jan 20th gets here so they can unleash their pent-up crazy ideas on the 59 million of us who didn't vote for the Messiah | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales." I don't see an issue with this. Why? Because ammo makers sell to distributors like Gander Mt. So how are the ammo makers going to be able to track you? All they'll know is what location the box of ammo went to..right? | ||
| Glitch |
I have a problem with them making it so I can't shoot when I want to by taking away my reloader, and making new ammo expensive. | ||
| Swampy |
The problem is IT WILL NOT GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE! It will only cause a giant cesspool of government beauracracy to micro manage how every shot was spent. Are you willing to pay for another government beauracracy to micro manage your affairs? They can't even keep track of felons or terrorists! | ||
| Bott |
Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund E-Mail Alert 8001 Forbes Pl Suite 102 Springfield VA 22151(703) 321-8585 http://www.goapvf.org December 3, 2008 Gun owners across the country dodged a bullet thanks to Sen. Saxby Chambliss' victory in Georgia on Tuesday. The result of that election means that anti-gun Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will not get to the magic number of 60, essentially the number of votes needed for one party to rule unilaterally. But there's still one race remaining this year in Louisiana . John Fleming, a member of Gun Owners of America, is running in Louisiana 's Fourth Congressional District in a special election THIS SATURDAY. John Fleming is a medical doctor who served as a Medical Officer in the United States Navy. Dr. Fleming is an unwavering Second Amendment advocate who answered the GOA questionnaire 100% in favor of your gun rights. Dr. Fleming's opponent refused to respond to the GOA candidate questionnaire. GOA 's experience over three decades and tens of thousands of campaigns is that candidates often hide anti-gun views by not answering a gun related survey. Perhaps even more troubling is the fact that Dr. Fleming's opponent-- while claiming to support the Second Amendment -- is backed by the extreme anti-gun leadership in Washington . People like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, and other GOA "F" rated representatives are pouring in money and ground troops to try to eke out one last anti-gun victory in 2008. Dr. Fleming, who swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, will not be beholden to any anti-Second Amendment forces in Washington . This is the last congressional election of 2008 and could result in one of the strongest supporters of your gun rights in the entire Congress. I urge you to get involved in this race in the last few days before the December 6 election | ||
| Hootowl |
Any idea what happened to the murder-by-firearm numbers after the gun ban in Australia? Or the violent crime rate? | ||
| Chasespeed |
Irrelevant in this country. They will pull my iron from my cold dead fingers... and the lead and tooling as well. Chase | ||
| Glitch |
December 3, 2008 Gun owners across the country dodged a bullet thanks to Sen. Saxby Chambliss' victory in Georgia on Tuesday. I voted for Saxby the first time, and Tuesday for the run off. He's a good man, he also backs the Fair Tax. | ||
| Glitch |
Any idea what happened to the murder-by-firearm numbers after the gun ban in Australia? Or the violent crime rate? No, but I did contrast Kennesaw GA (guns and ammo are required by law) with Washington DC (one of the most strict gun control cities)   | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>Any idea what happened to the murder-by-firearm numbers after the gun ban in Australia? Or the violent crime rate?<< Fortunately they were not and still aren't significant statistics. Nutters wigging out with automatic weapons was the issue. | ||
| Teddagreek |
Yeah, that will work because criminals play by the rules... How about actually supporting or revising the 70 something year old federal law to "actually" keep Firearms out of convicted felons hands.. In Florida and other states we have "Stand your ground law" which goes above and beyond the Castle Doctrine.. The Beauty is the law is not a gun law.. The bradys bunch tried to label it "Shoot First law" No where are firearms mentioned.. Its about being able to defend your self including deadly force... No matter how you do it. I prefer a buell tail light shank..  An act relating to the protection of persons and property; creating s. 776.013, F.S.; authorizing a person to use force, including deadly force, against an intruder or attacker in a dwelling, residence, or vehicle under specified circumstances; creating a presumption that a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm exists under certain circumstances; creating a presumption that a person acts with the intent to use force or violence under specified circumstances; providing definitions; amending ss. 776.012 and 776.031, F.S.; providing that a person is justified in using deadly force under certain circumstances; declaring that a person has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be and the force is necessary to prevent death, great bodily harm, or the commission of a forcible felony; creating s. 776.032, F.S.; providing immunity from criminal prosecution or civil action for using deadly force; defining the term “criminal prosecution”; authorizing a law enforcement agency to investigate the use of deadly force but prohibiting the agency from arresting the person unless the agency determines that there is probable cause that the force the person used was unlawful; providing for the award of attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and other expenses to a defendant in a civil suit who was immune from prosecution under this section; providing an effective date. WHEREAS, the Legislature finds that it is proper for law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and others from intruders and attackers without fear of prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of themselves and others..... | ||
| Garyz28 |
Cocaine has been illegal in this country for about 100 years now, yet there seems to be an endless supply still entering the country. Is there any reason to believe a ban on guns could be any more successful? Criminals will always be able to have all the guns they want. | ||
| Aesquire |
Nutters wigging out with a automatic weapons? Well, in The U.S. you are not allowed to have an automatic weapon at all in several states. In the whole nation, you have to have a special license. AFAIK, no one has been killed by a legal owned automatic weapon since the laws were made back in the 1920's..... laws written because the "Tommy Gun" was being used by criminals in the war on drugs...I mean alcohol prohibition. I was talking to my sainted mother the other day. She's a big Obama fan. While she was telling me how great it will be when Obama takes over, on the TV behind her is a news story how all these people are buying weapons ( AR's on camera ) with Obama shirts & buttons. The BUYERS with Obama buttons were saying they want to buy before Obama outlaws the weapons. That's both funny, & sad. |
