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     Old_man |
I think this was McCain's best performance. He really makes some good "law and order" points. I love Obama, but I'm not sure his response (though brilliantly and logically crafted) will really resonate with the American people. Call me a paranoid Democrat, but it really seemed like Brokaw was biased in McCain's favor during this debate. Finally, I'm not sure that it was appropriate for Joe Biden to walk on-stage at the end (he really is a hot-head!). www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63SRpGXBHE | ||
| Dogdaze |
So that's where McCain's writers get their campaign material - Downright Diabolical!@?# | ||
| Teeps |
Old_man Posted on Monday, October 27, 2008 I love Obama Why? Old_man I wish I could give you a reason to vote McCain; but I don't have one, other than he's not Obabm. That said: Can you give me 3 good reasons to vote Obama; one of them can't be "he's not McCain." (Message edited by teeps on October 27, 2008) | ||
| Garryb |
1. You will get a larger tax savings. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie =UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS250US250&q=tax+plan+calcula tor 2. We will end this war sooner and stop paying 10 billion a month to the iraqis (Although we may get kicked out soon anyway). We will refocus on catching Osama. 3. We will have some progress on healthcare. Which is going to be huge with all the layoffs that are coming. How about giving us the three best things the republicans have done for us in the last 8 years. | ||
| Garryb |
Oops, better link to tax calculator: http://taxcut.barackobama.com/?source=sem-pm-fts-t c-search-us&gclid=CInBlPbCx5YCFRg6awodqmM9xw | ||
| Darthane |
No offense, Gary, but don't bother linking us a tax calculator thats on one of the candidates own websites. You can't POSSILBY think that isn't a biased source. Go find an independent one. | ||
| Glitch |
Y'all are kidding yourselves if you think either will be able to lower anyone's taxes. It ain't gonna happen. | ||
| Dynasport |
Just think, we get to do this again in a couple or three years years. Ain't that a something to look forward to. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Presidential candidates can say they are going to lower taxes all they want. Congress levies taxes, and Congress spends the money. If you want a tax cut, talk to your Congressman or Senator, not the President. All he can do is propose a cut. How the heck to you think Obama plans to "Spread the wealth around" like he said he wants to do? It sure isn't with a tax cut, I guarantee that. Besides, Joe "Paying taxes is the patriotic thing to do" Biden would be against it anyway. The middle class will not see a tax cut from EITHER PARTY. If you are letting tax policy decide who you are voting for, you've chosen the wrong issue to make your decision. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Since the issues are not an accurate barometer which to make a educated choice with, I will vote based on which candidate will make a better animated show and lampoon target on Comedy Central........... aww S**T!, that's not going to work either. This sucks! | ||
| Glitch |
Look at it like this then. Who runs the Senate and the House? Which candidate would give them a free pass? | ||
| Garryb |
Actually the first link has multiple calculators. How about giving us the three best things the republicans have done for us in the last 8 years. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Killed Sadam and freed 50M people Lowered my (and your) taxes Prevented further terrorist attacks on US soil. | ||
| Chellem |
My taxes (read that "effective tax rate") are lower, percentage-wise, than they were 8 years ago. A lot of people look at how much comes out of their check each pay and think taxes must have gone up, or haven't gone down. But it's really a function of the deduction you choose, and the only way to really know if your taxes are lower is to look at the amount of tax you paid on your actual return compared to 8 or 9 years ago. Even if I adjust for the kids I didn't have then, my taxes are lower. But seriously, we just spent 800 billion dollars that neither party anticipated. Whoever inherits that bill will be faced with increased taxes, republican or democrat. So whatever alleged tax cuts WERE planned, I think that's probably in the poop-can now. Can anyone tell me what Clinton did for us? Besides allow terrorists to bomb our embassy with little or no response, and enjoy recreation beneath his desk? What did Hillary do for her awesome health care reconstruct that she talked and talked about? I mean, I'm sure he did SOMETHING, but for the life of me I can't recall anything so great. So let's not concern ourselves with the party's pasts. Let's not worry about coming up with 3 things republicans have done in the past, because I'm sure we could find both good and bad in both parties. Let's compare THESE TWO CANDIDATES and not worry what others have previously done. Obama has done, well, very little. Big on talk. McCain has done more than Obama, good or bad is for individuals to decide. But really, all we have from either of them is empty promises. So shall we decide based on who promises us the most? | ||
| Spike |
The partisan stuff really gets old. If you're the type that thinks every bad thing that happened in the last eight years is the fault of the President (including the largest terrorist attack ever on our nation, a devastating hurricane, and the current gas crisis) then you aren't likely to listen to logic and reason and will likely think that anyone would be a better choice for leading the country -- even if that anyone happens to be the most liberal and least experienced candidate we've seen in decades, even if that candidate believes in a "bottom-up" economic plan and wants to "redistribute" wealth, and even if he wants to negotiate with terrorists (Neville Chamberlain, Munich Agreement anyone?). However, I personally could throw every bit of that out . . . This presidential election is taking place while my wife is pregnant with our first child. While the nation is caught up with who is "winning" the debates, I'm caught up with listening to the unique heartbeat of the "thing" that is growing inside my wife. While the candidates are out campaigning all over the country I'm watching the video of the 3D ultrasound of the "thing" with the heartbeat move around on its own. Then while sitting on the couch yesterday I pushed lightly on my wife's belly, only to have the "thing" inside push back. I then pushed twice, only to have the "thing" push back . . . twice. It occurred to me then, as I was playing a game with my daughter, that anyone who would refer to her as a burden and say that it's ok to kill her even after she had born alive is not someone I care to associate with, let alone vote for. Right now the economy, foreign policy, gas prices, and how much I pay in taxes all seem pretty meaningless. I am a simple values voter. | ||
| Ironken |
Oh cripes now the abortion debate ensues. Spike, birth is an amazing. Congrats. I'll root for an easy (as easy as can be expected) birth for Mom and a healthy little one for the both of you. I highly recommend being right there when he/she comes out. Scary amazing! Done it twice. I wouldn't dream of aborting a child unless my wife's life was in danger and I don't want some clown taking that choice away. I take issue with others forcing their beliefs on me. | ||
| Chainsaw |
I like Obama as a person, but I can't vote for a guy that is 1. Anti-gun 2. Against School Vouchers 3. Against privatizing Social Security. That said, I really can't find any compelling reasons to vote for McCain. ABC News has reported that nearly ONE BILLION DOLLARS has been spent on this election to 'win' a job that pays $450,000 per year. Hard for me to trust the motives of anyone running for POTUS when it costs that much money to sway barely over half of the American People to vote for your side. I think Americans would be better off with more than 2 choices. We really need a viable Third Party. I would be hard pressed to believe that any of the Founding Fathers would be a member of the modern incantations Democratic or Republican Parties. Looks like I'll be voting Libertarian again this cycle, much to the chagrin of my Democratic and Republican friends in the 'battleground' state of Colorado. Can't recall politicians paying us ANY attention in any election prior to this one, but we've seen multiple stops by both major candidates, and of course the DNC. | ||
| Spike |
That one is frequently thrown out in debate, but the majority who oppose abortion agree that there needs to be some room in the case of rape, incest, or health risk to the mother. Statistically, those only account for a single-digit percentage of abortions. Over 90% of all abortions are done when there is no risk to the mother, other than the "burden" of raising a child.
That's a fun one regardless of the subject of the debate. I believe it is safe to ride my Buell home from work through traffic bouncing off the rev limiter at ~140mph. The police don't share that belief. Do you take issue with the police forcing their "belief" on me? | ||
| Ironken |
That's a fun one regardless of the subject of the debate. I believe it is safe to ride my Buell home from work through traffic bouncing off the rev limiter at ~140mph. The police don't share that belief. Do you take issue with the police forcing their "belief" on me? Touche....That would be a public safety issue. Abortion is a moral issue. And so the day continues on the Badweatherbikers POLITICAL FORUM | ||
| Azxb9r |
Y'all are kidding yourselves if you think either will be able to lower anyone's taxes. It ain't gonna happen. That is it in a nutshell. If you get a break in one area, that will take it back somewhere else. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
3 reasons to not support obama: 1: is against freedom of speech 2: is against the right to keep and bear arms 3: believes hard work and success should be rewarded with having to pay higher taxes (like it already is) | ||
| Teeps |
Garryb Posted on Monday, October 27, 2008 - How about giving us the three best things the republicans have done for us in the last 8 years. The point of my question was to, help me, understand how (a) person could think Obama is a good choice for President. Do you really believe, that which you wrote? | ||
| Old_man |
My son is an attorney. The Bush years have been very lucrative for him. All his time is spent in federal court with bankruptcies. That's why he and I are voting for Obama. We need a change and I'm not sure McCain will give it to us. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Your son will be QUITE busy over the next four years, then. Nothing like sucking money out of a company to increase it's demise. | ||
| Teeps |
Thanks for your candor Old_man. You sound like my step dad in '88, the part about needing a change, that is. Be careful, the change that you ask for, as it may not be what you want it to be. And y'all remember; "Obama's hope" and a $1.60 will get you a tall coffee at Starbucks. | ||
| White79bu |
My wife and I will be voting McCain/Palain. 1. We want a President that will fight terrorisim and not back down and ask to "talk about out". I want a President to fight for my son and be able to keep him safe. 2. We want a president that has actual real experience in government. 3. We want a President or I should say a VP that will fight our right to keep and bear arms. I do not want to live in a country that will not allow me to protect my family in the time of need. 4. We would want a President that has the experience to help get our economy back on track AND fight to keep oil down and look for more oil in our own country. 5. I also want a President for this country that has enough respect for George W. Bush not to bash him on live TV. (We all know that in the 2000 election McCain was not a big Bush fan.) I am a Bush supporter along with my wife. And we know that he has not always made great decesions but he is only one man in our giant government that has to take the fall for everyone else. Obama wrote his fait with me long ago but when he bash's Bush over and over he 150% sealed the deal for me. (Message edited by white79bu on October 27, 2008) | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
"How about giving us the three best things the republicans have done for us in the last 8 years." 1: overthrow a ruthless mass murderer and show consequences for going against UN resolutions. 2: lure our enemies to a foreign battlefield while establishing a key base rather than luring them to our soil. 3: the sunset of the assault weapons ban, another worthless gun law that punishes the law abiding citizen. | ||
| Garryb |
Teeps, You asked for 3: 1. You will get a larger tax savings. http://taxcut.barackobama.com/?source=sem-pm-fts-t c-search-us&gclid=CInBlPbCx5YCFRg6awodqmM9xw 2. We will end this war sooner and stop paying 10 billion a month to the iraqis (Although we may get kicked out soon anyway). We will refocus on catching Osama. 3. We will have some progress on healthcare. Which is going to be huge with all the layoffs that are coming. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Will free healthcare offset the layoffs due to increasing taxes and regulation on evil greedy business? You know, the ones who keep our economy rolling? | ||
| Garryb |
The war on terror is based in Afganistan/pakistan. All we did in iraq is kill sadaam(a good thing) trash the country and destabilize the middle east and consequently oil. I don't think the Iraqis consider us liberators, but we can see how their forced withdrawal plan plays out. I wonder how much we will have spent on the failed reconstruction projects, blackwater, military budget, and payoffs in Iraq, besides the 10 billion a month. I wonder what we could have done with infrastructure, social security, alternative fuel, etc, in this country with the money. |
