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     Bill0351 |
From Yahoo News: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081019/pl_polit ico/14714 I thought this was interesting. Even though it will probably end up on the Backfire Board, I think it will be a good discussion. Bill (Message edited by bill0351 on October 19, 2008) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Wait! A black socially liberal, politically moderate former Secretary of State with an ax to grind about the current administration endorses Obama? Tell me it isn't so. | ||
| Court |
They forgot to ask him why he was unable to run for the office himself . . . . | ||
| Spatten1 |
I remember Powell saying that he wouldn't put his family through a presidential campaign. His wife has fought depression and is on meds, and he claimed that he would not put the spotlight on her. Powell was the first of many to get screwed by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield and leave the administration after a fallout. I lost a great deal of respect for Bush/Cheney when I saw how Powell was treated. | ||
| Court |
I tend to agree with you. Reading the posting from yesterday about the unkind article in the New York Times about Cindy McCain I can see why Powell would never subject his wife to this process. As I have said, and confess to quasi-plaugaurizing Lee Iacocca . . . "where have all the leaders gone?". The current crop is an embarrassing representation of the talent we have in the country. | ||
| Ratbuell |
The current crop is an embarrassing representation of the talent we have in the country. I agree. Unfortunately, I think they're the only ones crooked enough to get through the 'system' anymore....it's virtually impossible for an honest straight-shooter to get far enough along to even be *considered* for office. | ||
| Spatten1 |
The current crop is an embarrassing representation of the talent we have in the country. Yeah, it's killing me too. I am probably going to pull the McCain sign out of my front yard due to the last couple of debates. Very disappointing. I hoped this election would be the first in many years to have two good choices, but it does not appear to be the case on either side. We need shorter campaigns so that we do not know how full of shit these people are when we vote. We would be blissfully ignorant. | ||
| Garryb |
Obama is the first voice in quite a while who wants to address the major issues in this country, and will help restore our position in the world. He will be a superstar compared to bush. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
He will be a superstar compared to bush. As long as he teleprompter doesn't break. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Obama is the first voice in quite a while who wants to address the major issues in this country It doesn't really matter if he fixes any problems as long as his INTENTIONS are to fix them, right? "I feel yer pain." There are solutions that are worse than the problem. Is it worth putting 5-10% more of the population out of work in order to provide free health care to 15M illegal immigrants? Is it worth it to change the fundamentals of our society so that self determination and the American Dream are no longer available to all? Castro promised to ease the suffering of the middle class. So did Stalin and Lenin. Pol Pot did as well. Chavez followed the same course. It always begins with an appeal to the low and middle class to devour the bourgeoisie who have taken advantage of the bolshevik common man. Were it not for the inherent unfairness of the system, ALL would be wealthy. All would prosper. All would be equal. "We want to TAKE money and put it BACK in the pocket of middle class people...It's time to be patriotic...time to jump in...time to be part of the deal...time to help get America out of the rut..." --Joe Biden "There are two ways of looking at it. I mean one way of looking at it is now that you've become more successful, through hard work, you don't want to be taxed as much. Another way of looking at it is 95% of folks are making less than $250,000 may be working hard to, but they're being taxed at a higher rate than the would be under mine [plan], so put yourself back 10 years ago when you were only making whatever, $60,000 or $70,000. Under my tax plan, you would be keeping more of your paycheck by having lower taxes. Which would mean you would have saved and gotten to where you are today faster. My attitude is that if the economy is good for those from the bottom up, it's good for everybody. You've got a plumbing business. You're gonna be better off if you got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you. Right now everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody, and I think when we spread the wealth around it's a good thing." --Barack Obama "From each according to his abilities. To each according to his need." Beware what you wish for. | ||
| Oldog |
"From each according to his abilities. To each according to his need." Karl Marx this is frightening .. } | ||
| Nik |
"From each according to his abilities. To each according to his need." Beware what you wish for. Oh well, who is John Galt? | ||
| Glitch |
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i3XP-_KUyChI-BScTCBNRspcdi2g  Do we have to wait until they take over to revolt? | ||
| Old_man |
As long as he teleprompter doesn't break. Unlike some others, at least, he knows how to read. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Oh yeah, Obama cares about YOU. Obama will lower your taxes, improve education, end poverty, provide free healthcare, and balance the budget. He will also part the Sea of Reeds and turn our public drinking water into wine. This is killing me. Now McCain wants to buy •••••• mortgages and have the rest of us pay for it. Just stellar. I pulled the McCain sign out of my yard earlier today. They both are FULL OF SHIT at this point. | ||
| Froggy |
So, who's voting for Nader at this point? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
McCain is swinging socialist because it appears that is what America wants. | ||
| Garryb |
Boy, 8 years of bush has really lowered your expectations of this country. Not me, I think by the time Obama is done, we will be amazing | ||
| Swordsman |
What's that quote again? The one about a republic only lasting as long as it takes its citizens to realize they can vote and give the treasury to themselves...? I believe we're seeing it in action. ~SM | ||
| Garryb |
Powell said the election of Obama would "electrify the world." "I think he is a transformational figure," Powell said. "He is a new generation coming ... onto the world stage and on the American stage. And for that reason, I'll be voting for Sen. Barack Obama." | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The lowered expectation is in the electorate to know the difference in what is good and right and what is a sham job promising a free lunch. In 8 years of Obama, none of us will recognize our country as it once was. There has always been and will always be the tendency of those without to take from those who have either by vote or by force. The real tragedy is that it appears that the majority of the population sees nothing wrong with it. I expected more. | ||
| Garryb |
Help me here! You think that 8 years of republican administration and 13 of of 15 years a republican controlled congress has brought us to ? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
You think that 8 years of republican administration and 13 of of 15 years a republican controlled congress has brought us to ? The point at which the electorate feels that a two year Senator with less experience than most Senators would require from their interns promising everything for free at the cost of the "rich" and the electorate believing that this is just fine and dandy. I'm not going to sing Bush's praise, but you are planning to kill the patient with the cure to Bush. | ||
| Garryb |
All the republicans know how to do is smear. Karl Rove taught you a new trick and it has ruined the country. Come back when you want to improve the country. | ||
| Poppinsexz |
And 2 years of a Dem congress has got us what? Unlike some, I want to keep what I make. I owe it to nobody. When they work they can have it to. NOBODY should get a free ride. Yes we need roads,mil., and others but just to give it away because some have and some don't, B***S***. If you couldn't afford the house,car,ect..What the hell are you doing buying it. Nobody deserves a house, that is something that we all should work hard to attain, again nobody should get a freebee. We are in some tough economic times, Tell me how raising taxes fixes anything. Rant off. BTW both candidates suck. | ||
| Oddsc |
I just want to see the rich pay as much as you and I. I think it can not be disputed that a small population in the US controls a disproportionally large amount of our wealth. Apparently some of you believe that this is because they have earned it, I do not. It is the result of a flawed policy and a ignorant puppet of a president. Free enterprise is a great system but it has become tangled within the fabric of our government the result of which is a disastrous economy and historic debt. | ||
| Djcrysler |
Are all you guys (besides Ft_bstrd) Democrats, Liberals, or what? Republicans are far from perfect, but by far the lesser of the 2 evils here. Democrats and Liberals alike are completely destroying our country! They are continually trying to take God out of everything in our Country! They would like nothing more than to keep Mid and Lower Class American's dumb and dependent. It's about time people start helping themselves, instead of waiting for the Government to pick up the tab. Obama is nothing more that a post turtle (with a silver tongue)for the Democrats. Sara Palin is much more qualified to be president than Obama. If you don't believe that point, do some research about the Governor of Alaska's security details and Alaska's National Guard. I don't think, by any stretch, that either the Democrats or Republicans can fix the problems our country now face, without dealing with the corruption in Washington, Large Businesses, Wall Street, Energy, Etc. Until we Americans start electing people like Sarah Palin, who will make people accountable for their actions or at least bring their corruption to the publics knowledge. Our country will continue to crumble. The CEOs and Executives of these large Companies, Banks, Etc must be held accountable for their actions (running a business into the ground and then walking a way with Millions, while the common man has to work longer (or just plain start over) because their retirement funds and their jobs are gone). Our Government needs major reform, the corruption has got to be dealt with or regardless who we put in the White House, Congress, Etc. there will only be more of the same as the Democrats love to say. Just Venting DC. | ||
| Oddsc |
Palin qualified to be president? She ran a state that has a population smaller than Columbus Ohio. She bounced around a few community colleges and won miss congeniality at the miss Alaska pageant.... ? Not the kind of person I want leading our country. (Message edited by oddsc on October 19, 2008) | ||
| Court |
>>>>I just want to see the rich pay as much as you and I. That'll be easy . . . the rich pay far more taxes. Talking about a Tele-Prompter . . . how cool was it when Sarah Palin was giving her speech and the Tele-Prompter failed to stop for the applause and was 2 minutes ahead of her . . . she did most the speech from memory. Congeniality . .. PLUS! Try memorizing a 45 minutes speech . . . all beauty contestants should be so sharp. I say again . . . it's got all the making of two "special needs" midgets wrestling. Where have the leaders gone? | ||
| Cyclonedon |
"He will be a superstar compared to bush." ANYONE!!! would be a superstar compared to Bush!!! the "W" in his middle name stands for WORST president ever!!! |
