| Author | Message | ||
     Froggy |
Linux still isn't ready for prime time. I give it a shot usually once a year or whenever I'm bored. 3 quarters of my hardware don't work, the rest works half assed. I got a Nokia N800 PDA that uses Linux, and I can't stand half the crap you have to put up with because of things like it forces you to use Firefox. /rant | ||
| Froggy |
Well the Macbook air is not a computer, its just a fashion statement so i don't even pick on it. | ||
| Birdy |
Pc Yes Mac No Why? Can't run ECM SPY on a Mac. | ||
| Tmc |
actually you can run ecm spy on the mac's. I have a mac book and 2 mac G 5's I like to play with auto CAD stuff when it's raining or something. | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
I figure I might as well weigh in. I own/run a software company. I have access to all platforms, and software (full MSDN member, and Apple developer member) My developer and myself have both apple's and pc's, the vast majority of our use is on our Mac's. In fact my developer uses an 8 core Mac Pro running Vista for his windows development. At this point I think I am going to have to pry that system from his cold dead hands. Yes apple's are expensive, but Barker was right when you figure in the total cost they are equal (if not less) to a comparable PC. Another example. In the late 90's my mother wanted a computer, it would be her first. I got her a basic dell, just incase she didn't end using it. Well after all the repairs, and "tech" support calls I had do with that POS. I finally broke down and got her a Mac Book Pro. 3 years on and I can say my life is quite a bit simpler. From a hardware stand point, the machine has been rock solid. From a software stand point, it does everything she needs everytime without issues. Time Machine has saved her countless times (look up Time Machine if you are not familiar). I loaded XP on a bootcamp partition just in case she needed windows. It really is the best all around system. For you Mac doubters, in my professional career. I have never seen anyone try a modern (osx) mac then switch back to PC. They may still have a PC, or use Bootcamp, but the mac becomes their main system. The PC/bootcamp is usually kept for gaming purposes. (Message edited by corporatemonkey on September 05, 2008) | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Thanks for that, Monkey. I did not know that they are still making PC's. Nobody using them, am I right?  | ||
| Jimduncan69 |
i bought a MacBook Pro to integrate into my recording studio. i was switching from pc. i was blown away by how much faster and better it worked for me. with the pc i would have to save my projects quite often due to regular crashes. on the mac i have yet to have it crash on me. not to mention it multi tasks like nothing i have ever experienced before. it has since become my main computer. i will never by a pc again! | ||
| Seanp |
I work on PCs for the Army. I have dealt with more problems with PCs than I can count. At one time I had five PCs in my house - a gaming desktop, a laptop, a media server, a work desktop, and a file server. I was a Windows poweruser, and could do just about anything on those computers. I bought a 12" Powerbook in 2004. It replaced the laptop. I bought a 17" Powerbook in 2005. Eventually, I replaced all those PCs with a MacPro and a MacBook Air. (And Froggy, I guess you don't understand the purpose of the Air - it's not supposed to be a desktop replacement. It's supposed to supplement another computer, like mine does my MacPro. I use BackToMyMac and have access to all the files on my MacPro wherever I am. The Air is perfect for taking notes in class, writing papers, surfing the internet, and being a small take-along to use for Bobcat for my Zumo.) I have never been happier, and will never use a PC as my primary home computer again. Tell me this, would you rather have a bike that you have to spend three hours a week maintaining, rebuild the engine once every six months, and fret that it's going to just stop working one day while you're riding? Or do you want a bike that just runs? I'd rather have the latter, thank you very much. | ||
| M1combat |
Try the latest Ubuntu... It solves the software problem in the same way as all OS types do. Software compatibility isn't really my main concern any longer. My main concern is how welded shut the hood is. Linux's hood is open for anyone who wants to play around with it. Windows hood is a good compromise I think. The Mac is certainly not welded tight any more but they still allow a good deal less tinkering than something running Linux. I don't exactly fall in the camp of any of them, but I do use XP as my main system, but I have Vista and Ubuntu on the LT that I use for consulting. I rarely regret having Vista for that role. I'll admit that Linux is a bit more of a hobbyist OS with the caveat that the right distributions are making huge leaps towards being everything. Linux doesn't force you to use Firefox. You can use anything you'd like. It just comes with firefox (and you can tell the installer not to...). Try Opera next time? Maybe Chrome but as I haven't tried it myself I can't recommend it. So the MAC OS? It's Linux...  I just don't like the implementation at all. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>My main concern is how welded shut the hood is. << Same here. But I have absolutely no interest in looking underneath it - far more interested in doing the job than dicking with the tool. | ||
| Hexangler |
Mac. | ||
| Brettx1 |
I owned PC's for years, and after numerous viruses, spyware, ect, ect... My best friend,who in my eyes is a Mac God, talked me into buying a mac book. I have never been happier, I love the fact that everything is basically plug and play, no need for drivers and the like. A big plus is not having to buy virus protection every six months or whenever the A-holes created a new problem that your current protection doesn't handle. I'm in no way a computer guru, but i love my Mac for these differences, and thats just my 2 cents. | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
Geez Hex, you are always looking for a fight? You always have to take the "controversial" side. TROUBLE MAKER!!!   | ||
| Danger_dave |
I was working in the marketing department of a large construction company when the first mac IIes came out of the box. 80 something. Designing estates and housing. Working as a designer for a cottage builder and finding a machine to render bricks was a dream. I did a whole heap of Clarendon bold price lists - and bricks. You had to change floppy disks to change fonts. We had to share 1 machine between accounts, sales and the boss's kid. Then came the great divergence. 386 DOS boxes became widely available. Mono screen, no sound card, no bells, no whistles, DOS prompts. Significantly cheaper than the Macs that soon after had colour screens, sound cards and 1X CD readers. Most importantly they had Coloursync software and could accurately reproduce screen colours like no PC available at the time could. So all us art dept types clung desperately to our macs. Early windows PC's were simply sh*t in an art dept. but it was a struggle with the beancounters demanded we all go to 486's because by this stage neither system talked to each other and windows was de rigueur. I'd long since gone freelance and spent a lot of the 90's as a trouble shooter for an Apple Centre in Newcastle. Training Adobe products to network installs. Most of it was getting files from windows to OS7 I became quite expert in both systems and my best pal at the time was a microsoft trainer. It all changed when coloursync went to PC. It really didn't matter what the art dpt was running any more, but by then I had far to big an investment in mac software to consider changing. If I was to take a job tomorrow that involved working on a PC it would not phase me at all. No difference to what I do any more. | ||
| Greenlantern |
You people still talking about this? Have any of you actually ever kissed a girl? Get off this thread and out of your mom's basement and live for God's sake, LIVE!!!  | ||
| Danger_dave |
Yeah? - I'm the art director of a national bike magazine. Geek that. | ||
| Spike |
I use PCs at home and at work without much fuss. It's a tool that gets the job done. If you have an issue, the support offered is absolutely massive. I use an iMac for about 2 hours a week doing some volunteer work. It is rare to make it through that 2 hour period without the iMac crashing or doing something off the wall. It also doesn't take kindly to multitasking, as switching to other apps while recording in GarageBand will cause noise/pops/clicks/etc. on the recorded track. Some of the other Mac quirks annoy me endlessly, such as the disconnect between the active window and the actual app running that window, and the way that minimize quarantines apps to a special section of the dock. I've also had the uber-nifty magnetic power cord fall out while attempting to adjust the monitor, killing the power to the whole unit. Overall Apple provides a much better packaged product and a much slicker-looking interface, but the advantages seem to stop there. Dollar-for-dollar a PC will flat-out rape an Apple for raw performance, and that performance can be upgraded continuously throughout the life of the PC. If you're not a serious user and you want a really stylish computer with lots of "gee-whiz" features the Apple is an expensive but good choice. However, if you don't have money to burn and just want a computer that will get the job done as fast as possible, PC is the way to go. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>> but the advantages seem to stop there<< The bundled applications are great. The movies I've made with the video and music software that comes with the OS have had half a million 4.5 star rated views on you tube. Just made with the stuff in the box with the machine. The whole package of iLife and the online services that integrate with the OS are good. (except iPhoto - that blows) Garage band is my favourite bit of software after photoshop. | ||
| Froggy |
Lots of posts, so I will try and touch them all quick Seanp, I do understand the Mac book Air. But at $1800, it’s no way to supplement a desktop or normal laptop. I have my $200 Nokia N800 Linux powered PDA, it supplements my desktop. I use the remote desktop on it and can control my Vista PC from it.
Yes I have the later, its running Vista trouble free. I only reinstalled Vista once, and that was a year ago after I reluctantly gave a friend admin access to my machine. He needed to do some stuff and ended up playing on it after he was done and hosing the IP stack. Took about 30 minutes to reinstall, 95% of my hardware was working right off the bat. A quick round of updates and I am good as new. I have been running it as my main machine for the past year with no issues, never gotten a virus, never got any spyware yet I have 0 protections for them other than what came with the OS. M1combat, I will give it a shot soon, it’s usually a winter project. Maybe this time it will actually install!  About the Firefox, yes I am forced to because the 2008 OS is not compatible with opera. Opera came standard on OS2007 with an option to install Firefox. Opera worked great, never had an issue, while Firefox on 2007 was horrid. No clue why they removed it from 2008, but it can't be downloaded to put back on. Other than that, OS2008 is great. Danger_dave, awesome story. I love hearing about the good old days, when you actually had to type in what you wanted to do, then you had to change floppies to get a different command like exit. Greenlantern, I have kissed plenty of nerd chicks, KTHXBYE Spike, ever notice how on a Mac if you drag a file to the desktop it disappears? I never figured that one out. On my limited Mac experience I was attempting to copy some files from a USB flash drive to the Macs desktop. Poof, the 200mb of files vanished into thin air. Gone from the memory stick and nowhere to be found on the computer. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>> Spike, ever notice how on a Mac if you drag a file to the desktop it disappears?<< Interesting, it was a sick Mac. That has never happened to me in over 20 years of main-thing-I-liked-about-them is dragging. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Just wait. It will take a while, but it will be your next OS. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Greenlantern, I have kissed plenty of nerd chicks, KTHXBYE Pictures?  | ||
| Froggy |
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| Greenlantern |
Dude, I may not agree with you on some things, But you sure no how to make a person smile, I surrender!  | ||
| Danger_dave |
Co-pilot @ 22. 27 years I've been planting one on them.   | ||
| Froggy |
Heres another one of us  | ||
| Glitch |
Just wait. It will take a while, but it will be your next OS. Yeah, that's all we need, a "free" OS that's ad driven... Nope, won't be my next OS | ||
| Froggy |
If Google can figure out how to get my Windows programs to work on their OS without jumping through hoops, then I will give it serious consideration. Chrome browser looks cool, haven't had a chance to try it out. Oh yea, Opera started out as ad supported a billion years ago, today its free and better than before. | ||
| Spike |
Irony of ironies . . . Today the iMac had a "driver" issue and we were unable to record in Garage Band. The solution? Bring in another Mac. Anecdotal, I know, and it doesn't mean that all Apple products have problems. However, it certainly shoots holes in the argument that Apple products "just work." | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>The solution? << Boot from the system DVD and 'restore permissions'. |
