| Author | Message | ||
     4cammer |
Can have only one....1911 or Glock. Which one..And why. This should be interesting. I would go for the 1911 every time. Mechanical, metal and feels good in the hand. Never lets you forget what a pistol should be. | ||
| Pwnzor |
1911. I would think the reasons are obvious. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Just ordered H&K. Prefer "seeing" the hammer. Glocks are fine weapons. The only real issue I have with 1911s is with the longer barrel lengths making them a little harder to use in a CCW capacity. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
Which 1911 are you looking at? All manufacturers aren't created equal IMHO. I'd love to have a WWII era 1911 regardless of who made it and there were a number of companies putting them out then too. | ||
| M1combat |
Maybe... But compared to many modern pistols the 1911's are narrower and not as square. They create less of a profile for CCW as I see it. The 1911 has the finest auto loading pistol trigger ever made ESPECIALLY if you get a Kimber or other high quality piece. Again, if you go with a high quality manufacturer you get a slide with nearly zero lateral movement. I don't believe that it can be argued that a Glock is more reliable. The accuracy attainable from a 1911 is superb. I owned an HK USP .40 a while back and probably put 1500 rounds through it. I liked it quite a lot but once I used a Kimber with the great 1911 trigger I can't say as I could go back. I tried an XD a couple weeks ago and I thought it had the worst trigger I'd ever felt. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
M1C, Agreed on Kimber. Fantastic weapon in fit and finish. There's a reason the 1911 design is still around. As far as width, the Glock is at 1.18", the H&K at 1.14". The Kimbers run 1.28". It isn't much of a difference, but it isn't like they are waifish thin. The P99 is beginning to approach portly with 1.33". I pick mine up on Thursday and hope to put several rounds through it. I wish the H&K P30 came in .40. I really like the new frame and grip. | ||
| Azxb9r |
ESPECIALLY if you get a Kimber The Kimber is very sweet, a work of art. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
My CCW weapon is a S&W .40. You don't find any middle ground on them due to heavy trigger pull (well,,,that's what I think) so you either really like them or you don't. I've put just over 1K rounds through it and I really like it. Everything Kimber makes is very sweet. | ||
| M1combat |
"As far as width, the Glock is at 1.18", the H&K at 1.14". The Kimbers run 1.28". " I think that the outright width is important but the shape, imo, plays a very important role as well for concealed carry. The Glock is squared along the top, the HK beveled at about 30 degrees and the 1911 is rounded. The glock and the HK will create a harder line to catch wandering eyes I think. Thank you for the correction  . I've looked at quite a few pistols being concealed and it seems that the square tops really do their best to unconceal the weapon. That's probably why I thought the 1911 was narrower. I guess another consideration is weight and where it is. With a larger caliber like a .45 the weight in the handle of a 1911 is a good thing. The glock uses a lower barrel and the HK uses a secondary recoil spring to counteract this. Of the three solutions I like the HK the best. My .40 felt like it had less recoil than a 9mm. The 1911 goes bang and you know it... but with the superb trigger it makes up for the larger felt recoil IMO. The first shot is significantly more important than the second one if you ask me. As a side note... I've also put a couple hundred rounds through a Mk23 (The Socom or the big HK USP) and I hated it. The trigger was significantly worse IMO than the standard USP .40 and I didn't really feel that the extra mass of the pistol was really useful in any way. All the extra mass was up high and moving due to recoil... Not a good combination. I'd love to fire a .50 Desert Eagle though. It's all metal and only the rear of the slide moves. I have a feeling they work well. I figure if I'm going to use a BFG it ought to work well. That said... If I want to make 1/2" holes I prefer the long range stuff (read "Barrett" ;)). \EDIT - On "My CCW weapon is a S&W .40." I've pulled the trigger of a few Smith double action only pistols and was pleasantly surprised. One in particular had a perfectly smooth take up and then ran into a wall which took about six pounds to pull through but was extremely consistent and crisp. Probably one of the best DA triggers I've used. I think it had been worked on. I can't comment about accuracy because I didn't actually put any rounds through it. (Message edited by m1combat on April 13, 2008) | ||
| Dynasport |
I've been carrying a Glock 19 for 14 years. I don't know how many thousands of rounds I've put through it, but quite a few. I wouldn't call the weapon sweet. I would call it reliable and simple. I think the 1911 has more character. A good quality version is significantly more expensive than the Glock. I also think they weigh quite a bit more. Prior to the Glock I carried a Barettta. That gun felt like a brick compared to the Glock. That is the think I initially liked so much about the Glock. I could wear it all day much more comfortably and conceal it easier. Personally, though, for CCW I like the little titanium SW 38. I looked at one with a laser sight built into the grip. Now that gun was sweet. Light, easy to carry and conceal. Of course it doesn't have the fire power of the Glock or the 1911, but I hope to not be getting into situations where 15 rounds are needed. I know I would carry the little SW at times I would leave the 1911 or even the Glock at home. To each his own though. Be safe. | ||
| M1combat |
Yeah... the 1911 is relatively heavy. To me it feels reassuring though. Don't know why. Maybe it gives me better feedback to know it's sitting in my hand the same way every time? Good point though. | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
For every day CCW the Glock has proven it's worth. On the other hand, owning a 1911 is to participate in the history of the greatest of all gun designers, John Moses Browning, and one of his most important designs. This handgun is more than a pistol, it is a legend. As such it has literally thousands of variations, and is alive and kicking over a hundred years after it was first designed. Not too many products can claim that. Only Harley Davidison springs to mind.  | ||
| Spinzealot |
As an owner of both, I would recommend that you go to your local gun range and rent a couple to see what you are most comfy with. My daily carry is a Glock 29 and love it! Can't beat the reliability of a Glock. | ||
| Spdkls |
i've shot and held a few of the glocks, s&w's, 1911, h&k. to be honest my favorite and most comfortable was the walther p99. compact and very balanced. | ||
| Loki |
Never been a Glock fan, like the 1911 family. That being said..... I really like my Beretta Cougar, now if I can only find a .357Sig barrel for it. | ||
| Glitch |
Kimber | ||
| Pwnzor |
Can't beat the reliability of a Glock. MRBF on the average Glock is 5000-10000 rounds. MRBF on the Beretta 92FS is 32500 rounds. | ||
| Spdkls |
Can't beat the reliability of a Glock. i think he means how many shots fired per one being jammed, and maintenance intervals. | ||
| Court |
Glock is likely the 2nd most reliable weapon there is. . . 2nd only to the Louisville Slugger . . . a Brooklyn favorite. | ||
| Glitch |
2nd only to the Louisville Slugger . . .a Brooklyn favorite. Tar arn, or how y'all up north would say tire iron. You can break a bat.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
M1C, Completely agree on the shape. What I look for in CCW is relatively short barrel, slim size, low weight, matte finish, moderately high capacity (more than 6), medium weight caliber to allow subsequent shots to be on target more easily, controlled/damped recoil, and high round count with little internal wear. I want a gun that I use daily and shoot with VERY often. The best way to have a CC weapon that you can count on is to have one you know like the back of your hand. The best way to do that is to fire round after round through it. Great shooters shooting an unfamiliar weapon can be less accurate than a competent shooter with their beloved weapon fired frequently. | ||
| Dongalonga |
Kimber 1911 if it is good enough for LA SWAT it is good enough for anyone. | ||
| Chainsaw |
I'm fond of my 1911, nickel plated 70 series, as it was my grandfathers. Honestly, I've never shot a Glock, but the trigger/safety thing seems damn awkward, but I'm sure thousands of daily carriers wouldn't think so. P.S. Anyone remember when Glocks were first being imported from Austria into the US back in the late 70's early 80's? News reports featured worried LEO's saying that those guns were made to defeat metal detectors, and were going to be a favorite among criminals. Ironic to see it became a favorite of the LEO's too. | ||
| M_singer |
b/4 you buy a Glock Google "Glock ka boom" | ||
| Freeflyer |
Can only have one....  How about you can only START with one . Id say 1911 all the way. My polymer kimber will by far out shoot any glock Ive ever shot, Super accuracy and smooth shooting/kick. and at 14 rounds in the mag theres no reason to go smaller. But you have to go with what fits you. But I love the 45acp it is a very effective easy to shoot smooth round that doesnt hurt your wrist if you plan to do 50-100 rounds a pop. Unless carry is your only/main concern Id stick with full size cause if you want to shoot for fun, it isnt any fun when you cant hit shit, with the super compacts, esp. Glock with their sloppy rattle rattle you can throw it in the mud and shoot it build its not fun to shoot when you cant hit anything. You really need to go somewhere that you can rent or try out different stuff, its like a pair of boots, they can be the best in the world but if they dont fit they dont fit. So really if this is will be your only gun you better try them out first to find what YOU like | ||
| M1combat |
Glocks are just not that reliable. I'm not trying to say that they are crap. Don't get me wrong and please don't take offense. I'm just saying that they do break. So do 1911's. HK makes the reliable stuff in the pistol world. To be honest... If I could only have one pistol for the rest of my life and I knew I would be in combat regularly it would be an 8" Colt Python with a good scope. I could use it to take whatever other gun I needed . | ||
| Beachbuell |
What are you looking to do with this firearm? That is the question. A 1911 is a fantastic piece. But, it is not the most carry friendly or easiest to conceal. The Glock is a world class weapon and is known for its reliability, ease of use and is very easy to conceal. Get one of each, I did! | ||
| M1combat |
Well... That was probably a stronger statement than I intended... Glocks are "reliable". They just aren't the most reliable . | ||
| Cowboy |
I carry a Glock -23- 40 cal. I carry all day every day I like the light wt. and easy to conceal I shoot 200 rounds every mo. and never had a miss fire or any problem with it. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I tend to be a "one woman" kinda guy. I want to have ONE weapon with which I am very intimate. I try to find the one that is the best compromise. It's why I picked the .40 over the 9MM or the .45. I look at it like being intimate with one bike rather than 5. When you transition from one to another, it takes a little while before you are "accurate". With self defense with a weapon you just don't have a "little while". It's not to say that you can't or shouldn't have many. It's just that I want a "service" weapon that I know with my eyes closed. The 1911 would be a great weapon. Is it the BEST compromise? Don't know. For me it wouldn't be. |
