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Socoken
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a great running 01 M2 with a set of cams in it, and a new 1125r. The other day I went for a ride with my brother, he on the M2, I on the 11. After a hundred miles or so, we swapped, then rode another 75 and stopped for dinner. After dinner, We had to flip a coin to see who rode which, cause neither of us cared. The 11 is so smooth and refined and comfortable (and really fast!), but the M2 is so loud and passionate.

I love them both! I try and take turns riding each, so neither of them gets jealous.

I think it takes a different type of person to get lit up seeing and riding a tuber. But, the XBs and the 11s are such complete, well made bikes, that you cant argue with the evolution of the make.

So, from a guy lucky enough to have both, having a tough decision to make every time I open my garage door isnt such a bad thing! I just made a buy on a nitrous kit for the M2, so that decision is about to get a lot tougher!
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Smoke
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the S1(to me) is sex on wheels. the demos i have taken on the xb series at the track have proven to me that the xb in general handles to me much better than the s1's. my issue has been that the power level of the xb series was not much different per se than the tubers. so i waited and now i have the xb based 1125R and i am well satisfied with the power and handling. the only problem now is that my license will soon be in jeopardy since i spend much more time near or in triple digits on my daily commute through the countryside. i may have to back up in the power dept to something slower in the daily commute, but i have something for that. ymmv
tim
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Igneroid
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Id like to hang one of them 1125 motors in my tuber....
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Guell
Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 10:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i will never part with my m2, i absolutely love that bike. Its rolling mechanical baddass art. Not many people get it, but i do...
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Hexangler
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Id like to hang one of them 1125 motors in my tuber....

I think you meant:

"Id like to hang my tuber over one of them 1125 motors...."

Hex
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i will never part with my m2, i absolutely love that bike. Its rolling mechanical baddass art. Not many people get it, but i do...

Word! I feel you.

(Message edited by bigdaddy on April 09, 2008)
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Igneroid
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 02:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think you meant:

"Id like to hang my tuber over one of them 1125 motors...."


Hahahahahahaha Ya, Id like to do that too! Hahahahahahahahahah
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Torquemonster
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 03:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Matt, you can add DjKaplan and myself to that list.
The only way I'd give up my M2 is for an S1








and ANOTHER M2!
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 07:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'd never part with my S2 either . . . kinda cool having the FIRST Buell to set foot in New York City, Blue Ridge Parkway, Deal's Gap, Mt. Palomar, Mt. Whitney, Golden Gate Bridge, Mt. St. Helens and Heartland Park Topeka.

Yeah. . . . it's got some history.

: )
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Corporatemonkey
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 07:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Anyone want to be Anonymous is just sitting back laughing at all of this?

I am thrilled with the maturity of this group, this thread hasn't taken a nasty tone... yet... : )
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Ceejay
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

CityX-look up joesbuell(jodie) he's the one who it seems shares the same vision as blake...
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Fujkami78
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks for all the great posts in answer to my question. I remember seeing the first S1 on the Boston Harley sales floor and just being awestruck by the raw mechanicality of the thing. Hung out with the first group of ATC guys in Mass. where we had up to 19 tubers in attendance (and my 96 VFR 750 which was very unpaid for). A Buell is making the bike disappear beneath the rider. All said and done, the XB's do it better and that is THE idea behind a Buell. And for us tuber fans, well, they're great in a different way, mechanical, raw, artistic, almost alive as they shake at idle...but let's give new alu framed Buells credit. Engineering is all about evolution, creativity, solving problems and from an engineering perspective, the alu frame solved many problems just like jets replaced prop commercial planes. The ride is sweet in any case and we're better for it that Erik ever put pencil to paper and dreamed up the first one!

(Message edited by fujkami78 on April 09, 2008)
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What CeeJay said. Here's the link to Jodie's excellent thread(s) documenting his valiant efforts. Jodie is doing God's work on what was an S3. : ]

I don't see why there is any impediment to Buell selling a run of high zoot limited production Sport-Customs. I'd gladly pay to have them do the work for me, and they could do it so much more efficiently I'm thinking. If not, I may open up my own Buell customizing shop some day, or invest in Jodie's. : ]
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)






Raw or Refined?? I get to take my pic.
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Torquemonster
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 04:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That looks like a "win, win" situation, man.
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Buellish
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"1125r is not a buell"
Is a Brough Superior not a Brough since it has a J A Prestwick motor?
Was Erik's first effort not a Buell since it had a Barton motor?
Are Aprillias not Aprillias since they have
Rotax motors?
Hmmmmmm...
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Grancuda
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think he was meaning it isn't a Buell cause its ugly.
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Bikerjim99
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Arguably the 1125 may be the the "most" Buell since it's engine was built from the start to Buell specifications. The other Buells had engines that Erik had to modify.

I still would not get rid of my S3, even with a modified Sportster engine.
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Danny_h__jesternut
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 09:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

First Buell "97" M2. Second/current Buell '00" X1. At one time I thought I needed the latest/greatest Buell. I no longer feel that way. I'll stick with old school, back to the tubers.
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Ezblast
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

First motor built to Buell specs - making the bike totally Buell was of course the Buell Blast.
EZ
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Never thought about that. You're right.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I disagree with that - the blast engine is still the sportster engine at the core. Loping a cylinder off (and all the things that go with it) are no different than using a specific head and cam design, IMO.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I disagree with that - the blast engine is still the sportster engine at the core

but it was built to buell specs, from the castings up.
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Fester99
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just picked up a 96 S1, cause it is the bike that made me want a Buell. At that time I could not afford one. Now I have the means i made sure that I put one in the garage. I have been on several XBs and they are a great bikes, but I think it is the attitude of a muscle bike that makes tubers special. At least for me that it.

I had to put a pic of the new ride up too.

(Message edited by fester99 on April 10, 2008)
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Blast engine is truly Buell-specific. No other bike uses it.
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Fester99
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



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Drummer
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Fester99--Love the look of that bike!

Does it look as good close up? Is the tank modified some?

Steve
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Xl1200r
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

but it was built to buell specs, from the castings up.

And the XB motor is near the same - built to Buell specs for the Buell bikes. I see no difference (and before anyone makes a stink about the new Sporters, those - in general terms - are using Buell engines more than Buell is using Sportster engines).

The Blast engine is truly Buell-specific. No other bike uses it.

And no other bike uses the XB engine in the XB state of tune. Again, what's the difference.

A number of Bimotas use Ducati engines - does that make the engines any less Ducati?

All I'm trying to say is this:

The Blast engine was built to Buell's specs by mother Harley using the resources HD had.

The XB engine was built to Buell's specs by mother Harley using the resources HD had.

The 1125R engine was built to Buell's specs by Rotax using the resources Rotax had.

I see no significant difference among any of these.

(Message edited by xl1200r on April 10, 2008)
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like crunchy peanutbutter. I think people that eat the smooth stuff should be killed.
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Guell
Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I like crunchy peanutbutter. I think people that eat the smooth stuff should be killed.

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