| Author | Message | ||
     Ft_bstrd |
I like this video better: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=720_1186691821 "Take that ass whoopin by the police. Don't take that taser, man!" | ||
| Brumbear |
I wouldn't make a good cop I would be tasering people just for the hellofit thats some funny stuff right there. I wonder how many times you can taser someone in like 5 min.But officer ZAP ZAP ZAP | ||
| Johntman |
I think this shirt sums it up http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumbe r=AT-44601-X | ||
| Thumper74 |
I'm ordering a tazer shirt! Also has anyone spent 3 hours checking out the videos on the tazer site? There's a video from a PD in Georgia where some teens on a crime spree had a shootout with the police after wrecking their truck. There's also a video from Ohio where the car theif repeatedly tried to hit both the police cars and the individuals(!) with his car. The chase ends with a pit manuever and a cop on the hood of the car... He emptied his gun into the windsheild. What I thought was refreshing was that in the interviews, no one defended the guy. One family member/neighbor/friend stated, "Sometimes young people just make the wrong choices" There's another one of a guy who robbed a bank stopping his vehicle and firing bursts from what they said was an automatic weapon (sounded like semi being fired real fast), this one ended up in a shootout in a dump. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I knew as soon as I saw the title of the thread, that no matter what the context, it would take about five seconds for a cop to go on the defense. I didn't watch the video, I don't care. OPINION: Tasers should not exist as a tool for law enforcement. NO use of force should be allowed for an infraction. I don't know about Georgia, but the Sheriffs out here in Orange County, California are completely out of control. Brutality is rampant, unlawful arrests, illegal search and seizure, all manner of hazardous behavior is on the rise. Let's not even get on the subject of corruption, at all levels. It reminds me of Long Beach, California cops in the 1980's. The "choke hold" was the approved "non-lethal" force of the day. Until people started dropping dead left and right, because the officers were unable to control themselves, using improper techniques, and for the wrong reasons. Individual discretion does not belong with the officer at the roadside. If a subject commits an infraction, and runs off, so be it. Pursuit of that subject is not warranted. The officer got the plate number when he pulled the subject over. Save the in-car camera footage and mail him the ticket. Let him fight that in court. Remember what it says on the side of the car, "To Protect and Serve". You are not serving or protecting me by tasering a subject guilty of an infraction. You are not serving or protecting me by chasing at high speed someone who ran a red light, thereby endangering me and my family. Ohhhhhh don't get me fired up... I digress. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
This is my buddy Jim, a detective from a local village. ENJOY http://youtube.com/watch?v=0SkqtaQ5SX8 | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Pwnzor, You make some bring up some points that I haven't thought about but.... What about the drunk guy? Shouldn't the Police do everything they can to get him off the road? How did the cop know he was drunk? Maybe he ran a red light.... or speeding... | ||
| Pwnzor |
There's always an exception for everything. We can't possibly cover every angle by conjecturing upon hypotheticals in a message thread. Accidents happen. Sometimes, your number is up. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Someone found guilty of driving drunk or impaired should lose their driving privilege for a minimum of five years. We cannot micromanage every citizen's life. Unfortunate circumstances exist. Engaging in a pursuit with a drunk driver increases the hazard to the public. That's my opinion on that. | ||
| Mm128 |
Pwnzor, Infraction = minor offence ??? Ok... I will remember when the criminal KILLS your family and I happen to be the officer that conducts the traffic stop and he flees in the vehilce... GUESS i DONT need to chase right?? Taser should NOT be used by LEO???? Guess we can just resort to the pistol... Seems to be VERY careless of life to think that WE dont need INTERMEDIATE tools to gain control of an individual. The Gun should be the LAST alternative. Tell you what.... Its funny... people arm chair quarterbacking split decisions made by cops, BUT when YOUR in trouble we just DONT seem to respond quick enough do we..... Its a THANKLESS job... I guess we deserve to get our ass kicked for DOING our jobs and attempting to stop and enforce infractions NO MATTER how small they may seem. Little advice... MOST WANTED Fugitives ARE caught from traffic stops. You reference CALIFORNIA... well.. theres your problem... A society INCLUDING judicial laws and legislation that is so far from COMMON SENCE that its COMPLETELY scary... Currupt cops... Its true they are everywhere... But there is corruption EVERYWHERE as well in every aspect of business. ***IF you need ANY more info let me know.. I would be MORE than happy to explain anything to you... If your EVER in Georgia.. Look me up.. We can set you up for a ride along.. Then you will understand what it is we do and why its done. -Matt. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
No attitude and a healthy respect for the position counts for a lot. I've been driving for over 30yrs most of them professionally, the above is good advice. I've been stopped in almost every country in Europe, the USA & Canada too. If you are stopped you are in a no-win situation, so the best thing you can do is play for a draw. Be polite, be reasonable, make no sudden gestures, do not raise the tone or level of your voice. Myself & two colleagues got pulled by the German police coming back from Czech one day, one officer with me & one with my mate, the other tosser who was with us was told to wait in his truck. He couldn't or wouldn't do so & came up to where we all were waving his tachograph disc & yelling on about how he hadn't been speeding & if he was getting done we should be too. We just shrugged & gave an apologetic look to the cops who sent us on our way having checked our papers with no fine. The other idiot? well he spent half the day while they stripped his cab & him, then they fined him for improper record keeping, & let him go, all that because of some attitude. If you're going to get a ticket just be cool let the officer do their thing & go, it's better than getting two tickets or hauled away to the pokey, ain't it? As for Tazers they're on test here, mixed views, by all reports. However we don't have a fraction of the guns floating around that you do, & the cops draw their weapons only on very rare occasion. | ||
| Ridrx |
I just want to say that it helps to remember that LEO's are people too, that is to say they are going to make mistakes and poor judgments just as the people they are pursuing/tazering/ticketing/arresting. They get adrenaline pump just like the rest of us under duress. Corruption lies with the decision of each individual as to whether or not to "do the right thing" at any given moment. We, as people, are ultimately responsible for the choices we make. | ||
| Thumper74 |
'Thank you' to all of our police officers on the board. We bitch and whine about tickets, but when the sh!t hits the fan I'm more than happy to have a police officer nearby. Like I said before, I watched the video and feel that the officer was professional and was reasonable in his requests and use of force. The only thing I saw wrong was how he approached the passenger door. I particularly like the end when the second officer came up and they were talking about the tazer... | ||
| Pwnzor |
Infraction = minor offence ??? yes Ok... I will remember when the criminal KILLS your family and I happen to be the officer that conducts the traffic stop and he flees in the vehilce... GUESS i DONT need to chase right?? correct. Taser should NOT be used by LEO???? Guess we can just resort to the pistol... correct Seems to be VERY careless of life to think that WE dont need INTERMEDIATE tools to gain control of an individual. The Gun should be the LAST alternative. nope. Shoot 'em. If it's justified, it's justified. Tell you what.... Its funny... people arm chair quarterbacking split decisions made by cops, BUT when YOUR in trouble we just DONT seem to respond quick enough do we..... I don't call the cops for anything, believe me. If somebody is in my house, I'm within my rights to do as I please. If they're not in my house, screw 'em... let him flee, he won't be back Its a THANKLESS job... I guess we deserve to get our ass kicked for DOING our jobs and attempting to stop and enforce infractions NO MATTER how small they may seem. Wrong. Thank you. And how are you getting your ass kicked over an infraction? Like I said, if they flee, let them go. It's an infraction. Life will bite that person on the ass down the road. Little advice... MOST WANTED Fugitives ARE caught from traffic stops. how is that advice? Where are your statistics, and who compiled them? Not doubting, just asking. You reference CALIFORNIA... well.. theres your problem... A society INCLUDING judicial laws and legislation that is so far from COMMON SENCE that its COMPLETELY scary... yes, my state has it's problems but the WEATHER is excellent. Currupt cops... Its true they are everywhere... But there is corruption EVERYWHERE as well in every aspect of business. true, but when the corruption reaches those entrusted to "protect and serve" it hits home. ***IF you need ANY more info let me know.. I would be MORE than happy to explain anything to you... If your EVER in Georgia.. Look me up.. We can set you up for a ride along.. Then you will understand what it is we do and why its done. I know what's up. no need | ||
| M1combat |
Move out of Cali Pwnzer... It's bad for you. | ||
| Pwnzor |
The benefits outweigh the detriments. For the moment. | ||
| Buellerandy |
Not seriously wanting this in our society....but think about it, if the only alternative an officer had besides verbal commands, was his/her pistol/firearm, and was warranted to justifiably use it if verbal commands didn't work, how much more respect/fear would be given to them? I mean...would a perp still not comply knowing that the next step was a pistol? I've always seen the tools on an officer's belt as number of chances to do what your told. I don't think a person needs more than a 2nd chance when in contact with a LEO. The majority of them (LEO's) deserve respect for being willing to run towards danger, rather than away like most of todays society. I hope I communicated clearly w/o offending anyone. Andy (Message edited by buellerandy on November 30, 2007) | ||
| Jayvee |
It's true that some police departments have a "no chase" policy now for certain types of traffic violations. I've read of several deaths of officers and bystanders resulting from cops chasing 'minor' traffic violators. But which is worse anyway, Tasered or beat up with a night-stick ? Cops have always had intermediate force tools, even down to their fists. "Authorized use of force" debate way precedes Tasers and the like. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Pwnzor, Your position lacks merit and credibility. There are either laws or there aren't. A law that isn't enforced doesn't exist. If the speed limit is 70MPH but citations are never written, what do you think actual speeds traveled would be? 100MPH? 140MPH? Why would I limit my speed to 70MPH? What if I opted not to register my car? I wouldn't have a license plate. Where would they mail the citation? Why bother getting a driver's license at all? Why not just steal a car instead of buying my own? I think you need to go back and reconsider your position. | ||
| M1combat |
I have the license plate in my truck stuck in the back window. I can pull it at a moments notice. The call would be... "A black S10 is traveling 118MPH down I17... Ummm... That is all..." I tend to abide by laws. I've never pulled it and don't intend to. Someone else may be more apt. What if they just murdered someone and were on their way to murder another? The reason it's in the window is because the tow package I installed doesn't leave a place to mount it. (Message edited by m1combat on November 30, 2007) | ||
| Freezerburn |
Just for interest sakes Pwnzor, what would you think would be ideal law enforcement? I can't quite read it correctly, you seem a bit like an anarchist that still likes the concept of capital punishment. Not flaming, just wondering. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Nerf Cops | ||
| Brumbear |
BE VEWWY VEWWY QUITE I'M hunting WABBITS and I got a new toy you waskiwwy wabbit take this ZAP ZAP ZAP I think cops need more Tazors and stunn guns mace and anything else they need . All the people that cry about this stuff either are the reason for needing them or the first ones to cry when they don't have a cop and need one or better yet idiots for my video amusement | ||
| Buellerandy |
It always amazes me how many people will still enjoy eggs although they might've had a couple bad ones in their life, but will refuse to accept that LEO's are anything but corrupt and worthless, just because they might have been treated to a certain extreme by 1 or 2. Or disliked being told that they were in the wrong. 99% of the time you know when your doing something illegal. Don't be a "sally" just because you got caught. I find that if you stand up and take responsibility for your actions from the get go, the officer will actually respect you, and treat you more like a grown up, rather then the grown-ups I've seen while on actual ride-alongs whom break down and act like children when they know they're going to get a spanking. Alright, I think I'm done ranting lol. Time for the critiquing. (Message edited by buellerandy on November 30, 2007) | ||
| Cowboy |
There are Good cops and Bad cops remember that IF there is just 1 OZ. of chicken SxxT in a man A time book or a gun on his hip make it rise to the surface. Just be a gentleman when dealing with them as you dont know whitch you are dealing with. So far it has worked for me. | ||
| Johntman |
As far as tasers go for my department, I am allowed to tase you before I go hands on with you. Think about it for a few. I asked you to do something reasonable. (in georgia you have to sign the ticket, you have three options at my department (1) sign the ticket (2) follow me to the Sheriff's office and post a cash bond if you do not want to sign the ticket (3) if you do not have the money and still do not want to sign the ticket then you go to jail.) you fail to sign my ticket and now you are going to jail. I ask you to put your hands behind your back... you refuse after several attempts of asking you to do so. so if I don't go with the taser my next step would be hands on. So now I've grabbed you, what if you resist hands on? Now we are in the side of the road in a full on fist fight. You break my nose, I break your nose, we are both bloody and maybe a few broken bones, plus harder self restraint of excessive use of force because we are now engaged in hand to hand combat. OR.... you didn't listen and I pull out a taser... you see the taser... i tell you to do something again and you decide you still son't want to... I deploy the taser you have involuntary muscle contractions which render you incapacitated for 5 seconds and you fall to the ground... The leads are still stuck to you... I ask you to comply again and you do or you don't.. if not then another five second ride for you. We keep going five seconds at the time till you decide to comply. Now we have no hand to hand combat and you complied and no serious injuries to me or you. Yes there were serious tactical errors with his stop but as far as to tase or not? I might would have or might not... was he justified... yes! And just a little FYI in Georgia we have to be tased to carry one, so I have been on both ends of the taser. the reasoning behind it is that if you know what it feels like you are less likely to just go on a taser craze and tase everyone. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Let me point out that my previous posts contained my OPINIONS, and therefore are not subject to anyone elses' idea of merit or credibility. They are my opinions. They are formed as a result of my experiences with law enforcement personnel throughout my life, and observing the experiences of others. You would have to be me to fully understand. what would you think would be ideal law enforcement? Citizen militias. To quote the US Constitution: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Our government is out of control, from the national level to the local level. The revolution will not be televised. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It is MY opinion that Your opinions are the result of illogical reasoning and your conclusions and suppositions lack merit. YOUR opinions ARE the result of your experiences, but your experiences do not guarantee logical validity. The Constitution does not directly create police forces. That is the power of the individual state and local governments (eg. Tennessee Highway Patrol, Williamson County Sheriff's Department, Franklin Police Department). Technically, the Federal government has no Constitutional authority to create a local police department. If the Constitution DID provide for the creation of a police force, it would still fall under the definition of "well regulated "citizen" militia" or are police officers no longer citizens? | ||
| Pwnzor |
You are entitled to your own opinion. I never said the constitution created police forces. Logic and validity? Who are you to say? You have no power over me, just as I have no powers over any other citizen, which is as it should be. I cooperate with peace officers, and as such I have no problems with them. I cooperated with them the night they pulled me over for a "sobriety check" and pulled me out of my car, searching and finding my pistol which was unloaded, breech-locked and properly stowed somewhere other than the passenger compartment. I stood by while they ran the numbers and found it belonged to me. I cooperated further when more deputies and a special investigator arrived and then informed me they needed to search my home. So we proceeded there and woke up my wife and kids and three deputies and the special investigator tossed my house up and forced me to open my gun safe, and took most of my arsenal. They then robbed me of $2500 in cash that was in the safe next to the ammunition and stopped searching because I'm sure by this time, now four hours into the ordeal that they were as tired as I was. Then I cooperated as they arrested me on the grounds that the number of guns they found constituted a "fortified residence" Fast forward to present day: I WIN. I'm finally getting all my guns back, some were released much sooner, to my brother. I recently received THIS in the mail and I'll be going down to pick up the rest. I have filed reports with internal affairs at the Aliso Viejo substaion regarding the theft of money and violation of my 4th amendment rights. I will also be filing a lawsuit regarding same. Pardon me if I am a little cynical. The sanctity of my home was violated, my property seized, and I was robbed by thugs which are salaried by my tax dollars. But I, the citizen, win in the end. In answer to your question, officers are supposed to be public servants, which usurps their rights as citizens. They are citizens when they are off duty. They swore an oath to serve and protect. By the way, Mike Carona, the Sheriff-Coroner of Orange County is currently on administrative leave as he, his wife, and his mistress are all under investigation for accepting improper campaign donations and misappropriation of funds. My lawyer has a P.I. working for him who was LAPD for 19 years and quit the force because of the rampant corruption and constant attempts by his colleagues to draw him into their schemes. He now lives in Arizona and commutes here to work 4 days a week and concentrates his efforts on busting crooked cops. He is very busy. OH YEAH one more thing, I mentioned that they pulled me over for a "sobriety check". No field sobriety test was performed. So basically the deputy was just targeting me to be intimidated and fleeced. God bless the good cops out there. I know there will always be cops until the "end". I'll always cooperate. I don't want to be tasered or shot. The thing that chaps my hide the most is that this whole process has been very expensive and time consuming for me. Most people could never have afforded to fight this. | ||
| Hammer71 |
Holy Shit! I now understand your reluctance to trust us. But not all of us are like that, which you are aware of. My question is how the hell did they justify a search of your residence from a traffic stop? or your vehicle for that matter. unless we have a valid reason for tossing a car, ie irratic movement, no license, arrest, it doesnt happen. | ||
| Mm128 |
PWNZOR, Now... I understand your expressions.. Well.. IF everything happened JUST as you explained (Which I CAN believe in CALIFORNIA)... I am TRUELY Sorry... And appologize for what you and your family went through. I have NO idea how i would have reacted to something like that... and I would probably STILL be VERY upset.. Reading your background now explains and clarifies alot. Again... I am sorry that happened. Move HERE to Georgia... You can have ANY weapon you have EVER wanted. My family owns a CLASS 3 dealership... So we can sell you ANY FULL AUTO Machinegun you want  Sincerely, -Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.) |
