| Author | Message | ||
     T_gerrick |
no joke...just got the new issue of Motorcyclist in the mail. I almost cried. Half page story with picture about the new XB10RR with rotax water cooled motor. enjoy | ||
| Diablobrian |
pics? | ||
| Dbird29 |
How about a digital picture of that article? It better not look like okra. | ||
| Kuuud |
Yes, scan something in. Motorcyclists' web page still features their MARCH issue! | ||
| 4cammer |
Interesting. As usual I will get the current Motorcyclist mag 20-25 days after it hits the stands. This is the same mag that stated the new Sporty would be H2O cooled right? Had Brian Catterson tell me just that at Springfield last year. Really. | ||
| Aatch |
scan that shit! we're dying over here! | ||
| Paintballtommy |
bull$hit. pics or stop teasing us lol | ||
| 07xb12scg |
An RR? I take it this isn't a street-legal machine? I didn't get my copy yet so I'll assume it's a custom built machine because Motorcyclist probably wouldn't have photos of a new production bike before Buell announced it and/or updated their site unless they're spy shots. | ||
| M1combat |
It has certainly happened before... That said... pics or I don't buy it  . | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Until there are pics I call Shenanigans! | ||
| Teddagreek |
I'll get mine in a few weeks.. They don't have the magazine cover/Contents on their website? | ||
| Mattwhite |
There's a picture from a spanish story on some of the other threads around here. It's probably the same one. <http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/288100.html?1182983641> They too a picture of an XBRR added a GSXR600 exhaust and lights and superimposed a rotax motor on it. My guess is they're way off, but it's only a guess. | ||
| Teddagreek |
I stopped by the bookstore on the way home from breakfast just to see, they still have july issue I have with the new Ducati motard. How about some pics. Digital camera, Camera phone whatever.. This is the News forum! No Jokes Please... | ||
| Cobradave93 |
I ran to my local news stand and found it. It makes me mad that the stores get the mag before the subscribers, but anyway it was an article of rotax rumor and a photoshop of a XB Firebolt with a liquid cooled 60 degree and chain drive. | ||
| Barker |
rumor not fact? | ||
| Paintballtommy |
i call RUMOR BS | ||
| Cobradave93 |
The article was speculation, not fact, and like I said the pic was a photoshop. Motorcyclist seems to put more rumors in than Cycle World. | ||
| Buellshyter |
have seen pics of the actual bike! it's sweet It appears some of us get to see something on Sunday | ||
| M1combat |
Hmmmm.... That anony post doesn't look "right" for some reason. Just a hunch. | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
How American would a Buell XB be if it had a Rotax engine? Hmmmmmmm....Italian frame and swingarm, chinese wheels, Japanese suspension, brakes, tires and electronics, Austrian made engine (and of course Rotax is owned by the Canadian Skidoo folks at Bombardier who of course are FRENCH!!!) Yikes!!! Maybe they can change the logo from "Buell American Motorcycles" to "Buell American Assembled Motorcyles Made From An Assortment Of International Parts". I'd like to see Buell squeeze that type face onto a tank. If Buell does incorporate a Rotax engine into a new XB you can be sure it will be based on the same V-twin engine that Rotax produces for Aprilia. And that engine is getting pretty long in the tooth at this stage in it's life if you ask me. Would it be a huge step forward for Buell? Probably not. More like a stop gap measure to hold onto market share for the time being. I mean it sort of makes sense a Rotax powered Buell. Buell needs an engine that makes appeals to a broad market, an engine that makes 120-130hp just to be considered legitimate with what everyone else has in the market at 1000cc's. If Harley isn't going to step up with a new engine for Buell then outsourcing to Rotax seems quite logical to me. Of course this is all just a rumour right? | ||
| Court |
>>>>you can be sure it will be based on the same V-twin engine that Rotax produces for Aprilia. I'm calling ya on that one. Back it up, I don't believe you. In fact, I'd be willing to say that anything Buell does will be designed from scratch, entirely by Buell and regardless of what visual similarity it may possess will be entirely Buell specific. In fact Buell published a picture (quite by accident) that proved that to me. Court | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
"In fact Buell published a picture (quite by accident) that proved that to me." Court what picture are you talking about? What do you know that the rest of us don't? As for my conjecture that Buell would use an engine based on the same engine that Aprillia uses yeah go a head call me on it. You threw down the gauntlet there Court. I am just throwing out speculation but God damn you called me out on the BadWeb and I guess I should feel shame or something for even imagining what a Rotax powered Buell would be like. ---"I'm calling ya on that one. Back it up, I don't believe you. In fact, I'd be willing to say that anything Buell does will be designed from scratch, entirely by Buell and regardless of what visual similarity it may possess will be entirely Buell specific.----" So if Buell was to come out with a Rotax powered bike are you saying it would something other than a Longitudinal 60° V twin, four stroke. Liquid cooling with three-way pressurised circuit. Double overhead cams, mixed gear/chain timing drive, four valves per cylinder. Patented AVDC anti-vibration double countershaft. You might be right it might be something completely designed and spec'd completely by Buell, a brand new motor designed from scratch and not a Longitudinal 60° V twin, four stroke. Liquid cooling with three-way pressurised circuit. Double overhead cams, mixed gear/chain timing drive, four valves per cylinder. Patented AVDC anti-vibration double countershaft. Maybe this hypothetical engine has a 45 degree V with all of the technical advancements of the above. That would be cool, but I would strongly doubt that IF Buell was to utilize a Rotax engine that it would differ so much from the basic architecture of the 60 degree V twin that Aprillia currently uses thanks to Rotax. You know Court I seem to recall years ago someone posting on here about an article in Cycle Canada and how some of the Cycle Canada guys spotted what they thought was a new Buell model down in Florida while they were testing a bike at some track down there. They wrote about how this new Buell featured a frame with huge aluminum side beams and I recall you were one of the first people scoffing at the post and at the idea of an aluminum framed Buell. I am paraphrasing here, but you said there was no way Buell would make an aluminum framed bike. That comment of yours always stuck out in my mind. As for a Rotax powered Buell. I say bring it! | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
http://forums.cycleworld.com/cycleworld/board/mess age?board.id=bikes_american&thread.id=4747 | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Here's a Translation of Motoraad “speculation article” on the new Buell http://forum.motorcycle-usa.com/default.aspx?f=17& m=351052 | ||
| Toronto_s3 |
Hell I'm just going to post the whole article.... Translation of Motoraad “speculation article” on the new Buell. -------------------------------------------- "Buell fans will not have to wait much longer. August at the latest, at the Laguna Seca race track, the bike will be unveiled to a group of American invitees. The details obtained from unofficial sources are sketchy, but here is what we can surmise at this point. It will have a new engine developed in cooperation with Rotax. It will be a V2 1200 cc water cooled engine that will push the 150HP mark. Enough anyhow to reach top speeds of 280KM/H. The engine will not have much in common with the Aprilia V-2. Most likely the engine configuration will be a typical Buell 45 degree instead of the "standard 60 degrees Aprilia configuration" and employ two counter balancers to improve vibration inherent in the 45 degree trademark Buell configuration. This should alleviate the need for rubber mounting of motor and swing arm which improves chassis stability. Less sporty models will receive an air-cooled variant of the motor. No revolutionary innovations are to be expected with the construction of the frame. It will still function as a gas tank with the oil reservoir in the swing arm. At the most there might me minor geometry changes with a flatter steering head and longer wheelbase to promote high speed stability. The Buell XBRR presented at the Daytona Speedweek is the background for the new sports model. A computer generated rendition by Mr. Guerin took the liberty only to reshape the seat somewhat to make for a more comfortable ergonomics, surely in the interest to make the bike more interesting to the mainstream sport market." So what it amounts to is there are two rumors; one claims there will be a street-going version of the XBRR, that would be the "air-cooled variant" mentioned in the article. This would have, says the rumor, 120HP and weight 375 lbs dry. The other claims there will be a 1200cc Rotax-powered model making 150HP at 395 lbs. dry. These bikes will have full fairings and chain-drive. There is a good chance both of them will appear, which would give Buell a strategy much like Ducati's, with both a water-cooled and an air-cooled line. For sure at least one of them will appear, because invitations have already gone out to the world press to be present at Laguna Seca this year for the official unveiling. They need to show them something, and it's a bit too early for the dirt bikes to be ready. I will know for certain on July 8th, the day of the dealer meeting. There will be many cell phones in the crowd, so for sure we should be seeing pics by that evening. PS, latest is word from Buell Homecoming attendees; e-mails have been sent advising them to stick around at the track after this Sunday's races for a 'special presentation' | ||
| Cochise |
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| Toronto_s3 |
More proof of the Rotax/Harley conspiracy  http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30 03 | ||
| 12r |
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| M2ed |
i think it'll be belt drive, rotax engine(built to buell specs cause i doubt buell would just put in someone elses motor), put out at least 145 horses, and be high reving. | ||
| Blake |
Geez Toronto. I don't think Court meant to insult or offend you. Pretty sure he was giving us yet another interesting hint on a possible Buell/Rotax collaboration. How can that be bad, even if it was contrary to your conjecture. You're up for that, yes? Conjecture is fun, but credible hints are even better, yes? Let's roll with it. What do we imagine that Buell would want to change in the baseline Rotax V-Twin configuration? I'd guess they might want more displacement, less weight, better efficiency, in short... improved performance. In addition, probably a more compact form, maybe a different, less than 60 degrees V-Angle? Maybe hydraulic lifters? Maybe its all just conjecture? ;) |
