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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hughlysses, that's a great motor but I'll give you one piece of advice ALWAYS but ALWAYS use the VW recommended oil.
Many have tried to save by buying aftermarket oil & many have blown engines.
That motor goes in so many different vehicles here you wouldn't believe.
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Leftcoastal
Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just filled my Dodge Ram pick-up.

$91.10

Regular gas.

Gawdamighty.

AL
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 09:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Mr_grumpy,

Thanks for the advice and I will follow it. After getting the car home I studied up on-line where this car has much more stringent oil requirements compared to earlier TDI's. The owner's manual specifically recommends getting a spare quart to keep in the trunk because it's so hard to find. Bought a quart at the dealer for ~$11 (Castrol 5W-40 full-synthetic for "pump duese" diesel engines)!

Dang, I thought ~$8/quart for motorcycle specific synth was bad! Fortunately it only has to be changed every 10k miles, and from everything I've read, this is plenty often. Hopefully I can find the oil on-line a little cheaper.
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M2nc
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just filled my Dodge Ram pick-up.

$91.10

Regular gas.


Lightweight! 42 Gallon tank in the Suburban. You calculate it and you know why I ride to work.
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bleat Bleat Bleat,

You all have some of the LOWEST gas prices in the civilised world in the US, along with some of the LOWEST vehicle prices, & you're STILL bleating on about it.

Give it a rest & count your blessings.

US list price, XB12STT, USD 10,295.

Euro list prices, France €11,295, Germany €10,995, Austria €13,295, etc etc

That means here in France for the same bike I'd have to pay 15,330 bucks, over FIVE THOUSAND more than you pay in the US,

So please, cut the "poor me" act & realise how lucky you are & how passionate we have to be to pursue our dreams.

Ok I'm done, flame's burnt out, can't afford any more gas at $7 a gallon.
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cheap bikes, cheap gas, cheap women....It's the American way!! (Now where did I put my cheap American beer?!)

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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 09:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What octane is E85?

I know you can run it in your car with a simple re-program of the CPU and new lines/filter.

I wonder if you can do the same with a carbed bike?

How well would it hold up to 11:1 comp?

Who is the all knowing master of E85?

Will Batman get out of this pickle?

These answers and more next week, same BadWeb time, same BadWeb channel!
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Scooter808484
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey, do what I did and go to work for BIG OIL.

I quit working in the paper industry and took a job with one of the supermajors. I don't get any discounts or anything, but with the amount of money we are making, I'm bound to get a real good bonus, and probably even a decent raise.

If you can't beat'em... join'em.

Every time I get my jacket blown off while riding my Uly to work by some idiot doing 90 mph in his jacked up 4wd F750 or whatever, I know that my job is secure...and that prices will continue to rise.
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Road_thing
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Better yet, go to work for Little Oil and get wealthy enough that you just don't care what gas costs!

rt
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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Better yet, go to work for Little Oil and get wealthy enough that you just don't care what gas costs!


I'm gonna start diggin my oil well tonight!

I wonder how may oil strikes there are in Mi??
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Chainsaw
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You all have some of the LOWEST gas prices in the civilised world in the US, along with some of the LOWEST vehicle prices, & you're STILL bleating on about

Just for clarification...
Tax in Colorado is 44¢ per gallon of gas. Tax per gallon in France accounts for more than half of the price. Your government is screwing you, that's why you're paying $7 per gallon.

I'll also assume that the French have an import tarriff on large displacement foreign motorcycles, which means your government is screwing you there too, not Buell. : )
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Motorsickledoc
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

spiderman,i designed an e85 conversion kit for h-d engines.my company now markets that kit to the public.if anyone is interested i can post more information on the what to expect with one of the conversion kits.its not cheap,but it is some of the cheapest power you can buy for an h-d.
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well Mr.Grumpy, since we bail out more than half the frickin' World, including most of Europe, we should get our oil for FREE!
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey NO HUMMER's or EXPEDITIONS on the morning commute this week, Very nice. Who says high gas prices are all bad?

With gas prices this high the welfare crowd should be out of gas/money by the 10th of the month, no more uninsured junkers trying me to knock me off my bike till the 1st of the month. Who says high gas prices are all bad?

I get a kick out of watching the poser Harley riders trying to figure out how to park their bike in the motorcycle parking at work. Ya ever notice how long they can screw around with their bike once they park it.....free entertainment. Who says high gas prices are all bad?
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I do.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some people here on the board are on fixed incomes. (disabled) higher gas prices mean
money has to come from somewhere else...food...medicine, you know...luxury items.
So yeah, higher gas prices are ALL bad.

Then again I could just drop my insurance, I haven't needed it in over 3 years
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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 10:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Insurance is like good gear

Sucks to have till you really need it that one day.
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Firebolteric_ma
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 10:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

78.00 to fill the diesel today. 2.89 a gallon....FOR DIESEL!!!!!!!WTF

Use to cost under 60.00 to fill the beast.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 11:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know Eric, I was referring back to the drivers without insurance bit as a way to
poke a bit of fun at Lost_in_Ohio ;)
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Gtmg
Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually a great lesson in capitalism. What we are seeing is the result of capitalism unchecked. If you remember deep in college days of econ the theory was that capitalism unchecked would end up in oligopolys - a few large companies that control the specific market and no one company has over 50% of the market. When this happens competition ends and the effect is prices go up without check. We have that with gas only 3 major refiners so nobody is worrying about market share. This is the reason behind government involved in business with antitrust to prevent this from happenning. Too late we are stuck and gas prices will only continue to increase and oil companies make huge profits until we feel the cost curve is too much and we decide to embrace alternative fuel sources.

(Message edited by gtmg on May 05, 2007)
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Buellerandy
Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2007 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I love this site.

24.01 for my pissy little Saturn = 40 mpg!

(Message edited by buellerandy on May 05, 2007)
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Thumper74
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 01:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I saw the writing on the wall a while ago. Sadly, I ended up selling my Cherokee (4" lift, 33" MudTerrains, lockers, etc.) to buy a more fuel efficient car. I traded in my 91 Geo Metro, which was fuel efficient but ended up being the anti-Christ to fun driving, for an 02 SVT Focus. The Focus takes about $30.00 to fill up, BUT once every few weeks as the Buell get's most of the lovin'
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Jmhinkle
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 04:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"you could always burn e85.its cheaper ,cleaner and makes a lot more power."

Currently, E85 is only cleaner. Prices are all over the place just as supply is. If you live in the midwest, you can easily find it and the price is low. Outside of that area, it is hard to find and prices are usually higher than regular gasoline. To top it off, it has less BTU than straight gas, so it makes less power and results in lower fuel mileage. Think of it as really bad winter blend gas. My Suburban on regular gets 15/19, but on E85 it gets 11/14. You do the math. E85 is not the answer. Biodiesel is. Import all the great diesels that we don't get and run them on used canola. Free gas and 50 MPG. This country wastes it's time on all the wrong technologies. Electric/Hybrids have to be one of the worst inventions of all time. Not only did you pay a premium to get a little better gas mileage at the cost of driveability, just wait until those batteries go bad and you have to pay to recycle them. A VW TDI is an awesome road car. It doesn't do stoplight drag races, but it has gobs of torque that means you can put it in fifth gear and drive from one side of the country to the other without shifting gears and get 50MPG. You can make your own Biodiesel in the basement for like .50 a gallon and run it happily. The answers are in our face, but Politicians are run by the big money companies and are paid to do as told. Some comedian said that Politicians should have to were their sponsors patches like Nascar. That is so true it's scary.
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Ryker77
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 08:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

JmHinkle, correct on E85- it's a near waste. BioD in it's real form is great. Used oil homemade at home is not really an option - hazards and supply. At a very quick point the "free" used oil would no longer be free.

Hybrids for most cars are awesome when they are designed for MPGs, Civic, Insight, and Prius. All other hybrids are a shame as they harldy increase MPG.


Are you a TDI owner? a memeber of TDIclub.com?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ryker,

I bought a TDI a couple of months ago (see post above in this thread) and have been hanging around at TDIclub.com occasionally. So far, I agree with Joel's assessment of the TDI. It's a very fun car to drive. It may not do very well in stoplight drags, but off the line it is pretty dang impressive.

I would like to see commercial biodiesel production take off in this country, but I have read conflicting reports about its viability. Some claim that even at its best biodiesel is a "net loss" operation (it takes more fuel to produce it than you get out). I find that a little hard to believe, especially if some serious attention were devoted to the process.
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Swordsman
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hell yeah, Saturns rock! Buellerandy, is that an old S series you've got? I had a bare-bones S1 that got 38 mpg no matter how hard I ragged it... it was awesome. 'Course, the seats felt like plastic grade school chairs and there was no power steering, but still!

~SM

(Message edited by Swordsman on May 07, 2007)
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Ryker77
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hughlysses, I own a TDI Golf that puts down 170ish HP and over 340ft/lbs of torque. Still gets NO less than 43MPG.
VNT17 turbo thats ceramic coated
3" FMIC
Pd150 intake thats HPC coated
11mm pump
pp764 injectors
fuel cooler, larger heat exchanger, Amsoil by-pass, 506.01 oil, .651 5th gear.. Shine springs, Ebiach sway bars, Koni yellow shocks.


I would like to see commercial biodiesel production take off in this country, There is a huge market allready. See biodiesel.org Many factories producing massive amounts of high quality BioD.
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Motorsickledoc
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the problem with e85 is that engines used to burn it are gasoline primary fuel and e85 secondary.i ran into this when i started development on the conversion we sell.with a true e85 engine you have none of the problems that seem to be posted everywhere.i would expect folks that have never owned a bike that has this conversion to know very little of how they actually perform.so far the basic street package is getting as good and usually better mileage than a stock h-d engine.such as the last tc88 that was converted.it went from a high of around 40 mpg on 93 octane gasoline to 45 running e85.before anyone jumps to a conclusion on e85, i would suggest you contact those of us that are making it possible for anyone to run it in their bikes efficiently. tony m. dabbs, Dabbs Engineering And Design(D.E.A.D.)
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

i would suggest you contact those of us that are making it possible for anyone to run it in their bikes efficiently.



Is this conversion something that anyone can do at home, or is it a proprietary process/procedure not publically available to the general do-it-your-self public?

Also, when thinking of converting an engine that somewhat requires 92+Octane, do you have to derate the engine somehow to burn the functionally lower octane rated E85?

I heard someone two weekends ago talking about cars and E85, and he was saying that E85 is less efficient than regular gas to the point that your net operating costs were about the same or worse when running E85, and that about the only benefit was the environmental aspects of using it. Heresay, but I'm still curious about what that particular guy was saying.
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Motorsickledoc
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

mikej, this conversion can be bolted on by anyone able to r&r a head.my primary business is performance heads and engines. the conversion was designed for a customer on a special request.we know market it to the general public.i advise anyone interested in making this conversion to first check for availability of e85 in the are they normally ride in.as far as the octane of e85, it varies slightly from state to state. 103- 105 octane is the average.and yes trying to run it in a gasoline dedicated engine is next to impossible.once this modification has been done,you will then have an e85 primary fuel engine.
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