| Author | Message | ||
     Spreadem |
Rocket, if you want me to compile a complete list of the year 2006 with verified instances where pedestrians, fellow riders, or cagers were killed because of stunt riding in traffic...I'll get back to you in a few years. But you and I both know that a list such as that wouldn't be blank. I could really care less if someone wants to show off on a closed course, but standing up on a bike in the middle of a freeway and doing a faceplant in front of moving vehicles. Please don't tell me you're actually defending that? | ||
| Interceptor |
Stunting is quite fun to watch and try sometimes. BUT, if I was driving that pickup with the camper I would have just had to try and plow into that guys bike for being a dumbarse.(after he falls) Deserted roads and the track seem to be much better places. Unless you are a seasoned veteran stunter with 99% success rate, stay off the roads. (Message edited by interceptor on January 23, 2007) | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
My hypothesis about the insurance claims... 1) Aren't the wrecks on the closed course considered 'organized' events? I didn't think they'd be covered by normal insurance. I guess you could lie to the claim adjuster... 2) I read an article a while back (don't remember the source only that it was interesting) that police in the big cities estimated that most stolen 'sportbikes' were stolen with the intent of stunting - not resale. Let me clarify. The article didn't say most stunters used stolen bikes only that most stolen bikes were stunted. Why use your own bike??? Don't know how that plays into the insurance equation but I'm sure it's not pretty. An example specifically in that video: remember the guys jumping the dirt berm? They had absolutely 0% chance of completing that jump. They had to know that but at least 2 bikes tried it. Do you really think they were using their own bikes? Rocket- No, no murder committed. Does that make it alright if I take my pistol outside and fire it in random directions. C'mon the odds of me actually killing someone are statistically extremely low - doesn't change the fact that I'm endangering the life of other people (or property.) Now imagine your grandmother/mother/wife/girlfriend crossing the street getting hit by a uncontrolled 400lb motorcycle doing 60mph. The odds are statistically extremely low - little consolation after they're hit. Street stunters are DUMBASSES If calling a spade a spade is name calling, I guess I'm guilty. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Oops, after a reread it seems my hypothesis isn't really a hypothesis after all. I don't want to get flamed for misusing the term so consider it my 'theory' on insurance. | ||
| Djkaplan |
When I see the old film footage of daredevils driving old Model T's and Jenny biplanes into barns, and wingwalkers from the old barnstormer days daring death, it makes me wonder what happened to us when someone can't post some link of guys (I also spotted a woman pancaking onto the pavement) having accidents on motorcycles without some kind of controversy. The fact is... most of those guys in the link are dumbasses. They come from a long line of dumbasses, and they'll spawn a further line of dumbasses. If the actual footage of them being dumbasses isn't evidence enough for you, well... there is a reason for that. Don't be so hard on the dumbasses, though. Believe me, without them, most of us wouldn't look so smart (most of the time, anyway). | ||
| Rainman |
We've got some guys who pull wheelies and stunts in town and I gotta admit it's fun to watch. Then there was the guy near DC who pulled a wheelie at 95 on 95 and faded onto the shoulder where he hit a tow truck that took off his head (helmet was not strapped on. Wouldn't have made much difference, though) and gave him some new body piercings. The cops traced down his friend who was driving beside him and video taping it. Turned out there was a 5 minute blank spot in the middle of the tape. St. Rosemary Woods preserve us. It ain't my thing, but it's their asses on the line as long as they don't take me with them. | ||
| S3dave |
I agree rainman..I appreciate the talent to do it right and the need to practice. Just don't do it where you can hurt someone who isn't involved (traffic). For myself, I draw the line at short wheelies and a little hard braking...not really much of a stoppie. As for the gear, well as time goes on I am less and less of a righteous gear nazi. I usually wear Attgatt, but sometimes... Anyways, i figure it's their skin, so I think it should be their choice. Maybe as time goes on I am losing that need to point a finger and call someone stupid, I don't know. | ||
| Rocketman |
I'll tell you what I think. As bikers pretty much all of us have done some dumasse stuff in our time. If you're an exception, what the hell got you on a Buell in the first place? Whilst that video shows what can and does go wrong, most all of the wrongs in the video I'd wage were done by bikers who'd got it right many times previously. Yes it is crackers, and endangers innocent peoples lives when for example you attempt to stand on your seat in traffic and fall off. But for a fellow biker to send a photo to the DMV of someone popping a wheelie in heavy traffic is rotten. That wheelying biker was obviously a particularly skilled idiot. There are a million or even several million particular idiots who drive legally everyday and have little to no driving skills at all. They are the majority of killers on the road. If that's your incompetent partner, child or grandparent, wouldn't we be better serving the community by reporting them to the DMV too? Biker on biker? Sickening. Rocket | ||
| Liquorwhere |
BRAVO SEAN!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Spreadem |
Rocket- I agree with most of your last post. They may have gotten it right a hundred times before, but all it takes is some loose gravel to change yours or someone else's life forever. Cagers kill too, I know that. There's a difference though between being blatantly reckless, or just stupid and unaware. As far as the photo-taking...on an open patch of highway, deserted, traffic's a good distance away...reporting someone for a wheelie is a stretch. But I don't care whether you are a biker or not, if I see someone blatantly and recklessly putting innocent lives in danger by doing stunts in front of moving traffic, you can bet your a** I'll be the one with the camera. | ||
| Duff24 |
Most stunters don't have insurance on their bikes anyways, so I don't know why you're making such a big deal out of it...some of the guys on the street don't even have insurance as well. I ride with a lot of guys that haven't even registered their bike because their theory is that if they do something that could get them arrested, they could just ditch their bike if it's unrideable and it wouldn't get traced back to them... | ||
| Warbaby |
Most stunters don't have insurance on their bikes anyways, so I don't know why you're making such a big deal out of it...some of the guys on the street don't even have insurance as well. Who pays for the damages and/or medical expenses of other people that are caused by an uninsured stunter? | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Friends don't let friends stunt in traffic. Period. Makes absolutely no difference how skilled that particular rider is, or how big his balls are, or how many times he/she's done it successfully in the past. Stunting by nature is riding with a bare minimum of control. If the operator had 100% control, it wouldn't really be considered much of a stunt would it? Riding at less then 100% control in traffic is wrong. It makes no difference what cagers or grandmothers or anybody else does. That is simply excusing bad behavior because of other people's bad behavior. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Friends don't let friends stunt in traffic. Period. Makes absolutely no difference how skilled that particular rider is, or how big his balls are, or how many times he/she's done it successfully in the past. Stunting by nature is riding with a bare minimum of control. If the operator had 100% control, it wouldn't really be considered much of a stunt would it? Riding at less then 100% control in traffic is wrong. It makes no difference what cagers or grandmothers or anybody else does. That is simply excusing bad behavior because of other people's bad behavior. | ||
| Rocketman |
There's a difference though between being blatantly reckless, or just stupid and unaware. As a cynic I'd say there is too. Blatantly reckless in the hands of a skilled rider could be safer than stupid and unaware from an unskilled driver. The roads are full of drivers who can't drive to driving test standards. These same drivers are more likely not able to control a vehicle when the inevitable happens. A reckless rider may well be stupid but there's a great chance they will not crash or endanger others lives by being stupid on two wheels. Otherwise many of us would never make it home. Rocket | ||
| Interceptor |
I was working a few years back in an auto parts store and this guy walks in. His arm has pins going all thru it holding the bones together. i am like, whoah buddy , what happened? He said he fell off his bike doing a wheelie at 90mph. He told me that his arm was shattered and he lost a couple of toes.  | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Rocket, once again I have to disagree. Believe me, it's not intentional. I don't sit around trying to come up with ways to disagree with you.  The roads are full of drivers who can't drive to driving test standards That is using other peoples bad behavior as an excuse for more bad behavior. Blatantly reckless in the hands of a skilled rider could be safer than stupid and unaware from an unskilled driver Bingo, we do agree on something. I'll take that even further: Skilled but reckless could be better then unskilled but very careful. But does that really matter either. The skilled but reckless driver is operating at less then 100%. In traffic. Other people may very well be operating at less then 100% too, but a stunter is choosing to do so. A reckless rider may well be stupid but there's a great chance they will not crash or endanger others lives by being stupid on two wheels. How much of a chance is acceptable to endanger others lives? Remember we're talking about for the sake of stunting. I'm skilled with a pistol. Shooting is something I enjoy doing. I could choose to be reckless and randomly fire my pistol into the air because I'm selfish and I enjoy shooting. Statistically speaking the odds are astronomically great that I won't hurt someone else. Does that make it acceptable? * All of the above comments refer to stunting IN TRAFFIC. | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket, once again I have to disagree. Believe me, it's not intentional. I don't sit around trying to come up with ways to disagree with you. Why not? I would  Rocket | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Stolen bikes. Never considered that. Even some rich punk would have to question trashing a 10k bike learning to stunt. How does a stolen sport bike affect my insurance.....pretty obvious. | ||
| Tunes |
In the video: Morons following form and function... | ||
| Tx05xb12s |
Admittedly I do frequently clear intersections on one wheel after waiting on a red light to change and sometimes roll up to a light on one wheel too. I know I'm wrong as hell and really should be taking it easy in traffic. However, I do have to draw the line at the stuff exhibited in this video. That belongs on deserted roads, private parking lots with owners permission, and race tracks. I love it when people are watching me do something cool on my bike, but we should be thinking about hurting other people that were minding their own business. What if one of these days when I'm leaving $20 worth of rubber across an intersection a little kid runs out into the crosswalk? What am I going to do? How am I going to live with myself? Wow, I think I just cured my addiction to intermittently acting an ass in traffic. | ||
| Sandman865 |
I'm A stunt rider that rides in a closed course. On a buell xb9r. There are people out there that have control, but on the other hand there are people who don't, A whole lot of them. Some professional stunt riders film on the streets, for real life dangers. most are capable, but some are not. stunt riding films make millions a year, just pushing the limits. WWW.ILLCONDUCT.COM We do shows in closed coures. Come check us out at a show near you. | ||
| Duff24 |
nice, mike...pimpin the team...count me in soon! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
We do sport bike nites in the summer. And we invite all the brands down. Usually the first night we will get a few of the wheelie hungry speed junkies. I tell them that if they want to do that, they are welcome to ride, just leave ahead of us. I check to make sure what direction they are going, and ensure that we head the other direction. Rules are simple, No endos, wheelies, burn outs, triple digit speed passes. Hate to be a stick in the mud, but if I am caught doing any of it, or supporting any of it, its my license and then probably my job. | ||
| Kano832003 |
Rich people don't care about the money they spend destroying thier bikes (that's a bad statement...the rich people I know don't care). I love watching good riders stunt thier bikes, I don't really care if they don't gear (I think you're smart if you do, but it's your body not mine). The only problem that I have with that video is the people that do it on public roads when there are inocent people around them. Keep it on the closed courses and enjoy yourself. -Barge On the rich people destroying their bikes. Have any of you ever seen Nitro Circus on SPEED? If so, have you seen the guy that tried to backflip his Hyabusa? Crazy...it didn't work. Kinda funny though. | ||
| Rainman |
I'd pay $10 to go watch a stunt team play. Hell, next month I plan on spending at least that to see Nicholas Cage set his head on fire and ride a chopper | ||
| Sandman865 |
If you are doing a show, you want your bike to look stock and professional. That includes clean, no broken parts, like it just rolled off the showroom floor. The same with making stunt movies. Would you like to see ragged out bikes or new bikes. Two ways to look at it. Rainman our shows are free WWW.ILLCONDUCT.COM | ||
| Schmitty |
If you want to do that stuff on a closed course, Great! It's your bike and your skin!! BUT, if you do it on the street where my wife, children, self, or property are in harms way YOU ARE A F'ING D*&%#A$$!! And if you don't like it  !! | ||
| Rocketman |
What's the point in stunting on a closed course? Doing it on the street, at least you've a crowd to entertain. Rocket | ||
| Rainman |
Good point. If a man does dishes and no one sees him do it, he gets no credit for it. If you pop a wheelie for a quarter mile and no one sees you do it, did you really do it? |
