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     Captpete |
Troll, Yep. But I must admit, I was pretty much basing my lay observation on the quotes your 'buddy' posted on another thread. Once you joined this thread the clues became much less apparent as you were joined by like-minded participants with reference to track riding, and less adversarial as well. Heck, we all know the limitations of Buells and that they are not provided with a state-of-the-art power plant. And we all know that some of them have had some serious reliability issues. (Believe me, no one knows this better than I.) Simply put, they are what they are. But when you start belittling folks for owning them, and for the ways they exercise that ownership and derive pleasure from it, "Yep...for some reasons incompetents gravitate towards Buells. I wonder why? Can't handle decent machinery so they run toward something slow and unintimidating?", then the real issue comes to light. It’s no longer about motorcycles, but rather about how you perceive your individual worth. And of course, individuals with low self worth must find a way to improve their ‘rating’ as it were, and the classic response is to find a way to lower the worth of those around them. I know it sounds simplistic, but it becomes more complicated because those who are acting out this way have, on the surface, been successful in convincing themselves that, “Yeah, I am better than this bunch of jerk-offs.” But deep down, they know it ain’t true, and the ‘fix’ only lasts for the instant. And they act out again and again. Great day in the morning, man, I look at that picture of you dragging a knee around that corner and there’s no doubt in my mind that your riding skills are exemplary. So why in the world do you feel that you must convince us all that you are better than the folks with lesser skills? (Rhetorical question; I’ve already answered it.) Here’s a little tip for free: One way you might help solve this little problem of yours is to, instead of acting out, use these riding skills of yours to mentor some of the folks you’ve been bashing, and help them become better riders themselves. [That’s how you gain self worth ;-) ] MHO, of course. But it’s mine, and that’s how I see it. Good Luck Capt. Pete | ||
| Troythetroll |
Capt. Pete...interesting observations. Let me start with your quote, something I regularly spew out at AMS. With the two examples of Buellers we have at AMS, that comment is perfectly applicable. These guys don't do Battletrax, they won't do trackdays, their best defense of a Firebolt is the spec sheet, and yet when faced with inferior machinery, such as mine, they still run screaming like stuck pigs for Japanese inline 4's with which to battle my itty bitty underpowered beginner bike ( someone elses quote, not mine ). As for being better than any particular brand of "jerk-offs", the beauty of having been primarily a trackrider for the last 4 years is I know exactly how fast, and therefore exactly how slow, I actually am. The beautiful objectivity of the stopwatch. To some, its a royal pain, it reveals how much none of us are Nicky. To others, the beauty of objectivity is itself a wonderful thing. I am as fast as I am...occasionally faster, occasionally slower. Bashing Buellers at AMS is more an offshoot of bashing street riders in general, I get pretty cranky with horsepower junkies, stunters, people advocating throwing ball bearings off their bikes to take care of wayward cagers, etc etc. I've seen the results in my insurance rates since I started riding bikes 20 years ago, and am unhappy that squidlings appear to find it amusing to smash up perfectly good motorcycles in their pursuit of females. I don't like it, but it is reality. So...my anomosity toward them and many of their "ilk" can occasionally spill out onto other groups I am not familiar with. My riding skills, or as much of them as can be figured out from a single picture, are what they are. The picture that I put under my profile isn't actually the best one...in that same corner, check out the distance between the side of the bike and the ground. In that exact same spot, by the end of the day, the engine cases and shifter were touching down in that same corner. Now, it required chasing Dennis himself to do it, and once done, and I realized what I had done, I became more than a little nervous as to the consequences, considering speed at which this corner is taken. However, in the end, my answer to "how fast is it" is still the same, I am as fast as I am. I ain't Nicky, but I'm not scared of the AMA's 112% qualifying superbike rule either. And what does that mean to a nearly 40 something guy with 2 kids and no permission to race? Absolutely nothing. Nicky I will never be, these speeds are never attained on the street, and I have no desire to take the time and effort required to turn my "I can see the 112% rule from here" into "Gee I remember when I worried about the 112% rule". Interesting, your comment on "mentoring" anyone was dismissed by me out of hand a long time ago. For several summers I tried what you suggested, and like teaching beginners the rudimentary aspects of computers, I don't have it in me. I have a low threshold for newbys, in almost any facet of my life. Call it a character flaw. I don't understand why a newby doesn't sit down, learn as much as they can about a subject before ever going out, buying the gear and trying out the "expert only" slope. Something which appears to happen quite often with sportbikes, as evidenced by squidlings snapping up every 600cc I4 they can find and promptly smashing them into little pieces without ever having a clue. Getting good at almost anything in life requires more than a wallet, but it seems like most people have a tough time with the concept of actually PRACTICING or LEARNING anything difficult. Sometimes even ADMITTING that something is difficult and requires more than the standard MSF "here is the clutch" type course. So, mentoring is pretty much out. Maybe as I age and mellow in my new "street riding" guise, I will again consider it again. | ||
| Captpete |
Troy, A well thought-out response. Like I posted earlier: “intelligent and articulate” But the clues are still there: The picture that I put under my profile isn't actually the best one...in that same corner, check out the distance between the side of the bike and the ground. In that exact same spot, by the end of the day, the engine cases and shifter were touching down in that same corner. Great googly, moogly, he’s even better than I thought (I’ve just been told). See what I mean? But I have to agree with you wholeheartedly when you say: Getting good at almost anything in life requires more than a wallet, but it seems like most people have a tough time with the concept of actually PRACTICING or LEARNING anything difficult. Sometimes even ADMITTING that something is difficult and requires more… A bit out of context by omission, I admit. But still apropos, I believe. You can lead a horse to water…. And on the subject of horses, this one’s dead. My opinion’s unchanged, maybe reinforced. But it’s still that: merely opinion. I tried to offer it without malice. I hope I’ve been successful. You see, I’m a “newbie” in this sportbike arena, and as soon as I can get a Buell engine to stay together long enough to get to a track, I’ll be looking for some instruction to help make me a better rider. And if I’m lucky, maybe I’ll find a guy with skills such as yours who will take the time and have the patience to offer an old dude a little mentoring. And if I find him, I promise you; we will both be the better for it. So once again, best of Luck. And I’m not talking about going fast. Capt. Pete | ||
| Troythetroll |
Good luck Capt. Pete. If you ever want cheap tracktime bring your bike to Denver, both Second Creek in Denver and Pueblo Motorsports Park in Pueblo go for $45/Half Day, go in the morning during the week and you've got the place to yourself usually. | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Troy, Much of what you say has some merit, but the narrow minded approach in which you take is offensive. Most of us on this board have quite varied backgrounds. I myself came from starting my motorcycling riding off-road and dirt track racing. I soon found that I really enjoyed flat-track, but personally detested motocross. Did I belittle people for their love of a different sport? The answer is no. I also detested Kawasaki's while I was racing because they tended to seize up right in front of me. Again did I belittle folks because of the brand they rode? No, other than some friendly ribbing amongst fellow compitetors. Your feelings toward Buells is in some ways correct and obviously It's not the bike for you. But belittling and insulting those that do like the brand is immature. Their are many forms of riding, many bikes to be ridden, and better yet many great people to meet. If you like to ride UJM's at the track great, I personally find more enjoyment in finding new and unknown twisties to try in America's back roads. Does this make me better than you, Hell NO. The world of motorcycling has room for a huge diversity of riders, brands, styles and forms of riding. I found years ago that some of these are for me, some I enjoy just being just a spectator, and some just aren't my cup of tea. What I found most importantly is that with an open mind, I have made some of the best friends a person could hope for. And yes, many of them are better and smarter than me, but we all get along because of our love of motorcycling. My latest venture has been in the realm of land speed racing. I have found it fun with lots of comradary, but many find it not to their taste. That's cool. Everyone to their own. Ray P.S. I've been riding for 38 years. Incompetent I do not feel!! | ||
| Blake |
Shoot, they just raised the price $25 and OHR is only $75/day for CMRA members, $100 for non-CMRA licensed racers. Anytime you want to visit Captain. Let me know. Troy, If your cases are scraping, you are not hanging off enough and are at serious risk of going down, don't ask me how I know. | ||
| Spike |
Troythetracksnob, I used to have this idea that all riders who frequently took their bikes to the track were mature and level headed. Thanks to you I now realize that experienced track riders can be just as ignorant and immature as the helmetless squids on R1s doing wheelies on public roads. I wish I could tell you of some great experiences tracking my Buell, but as it turns out all my track experience has been on four wheels. Mike L. '99 Cyclone <-- Not good enough for Troy. '94 Miata | ||
| Troythetroll |
Blake, I am well aware of what happens once the cases start touching down. So I bought a bike thats narrow enough that I probably won't have that problem any more. Spike, ignorant because I am not a Buell fan is stretching it. And you are correct, to the best of my knowledge to date, a 99 Cyclone is not good enough for me. | ||
| Crusty |
Another case of rectaloculitis. | ||
| Captpete |
C'mon, Blake. Your offer was totally unnecessary (but appreciated, nonetheless). We both know that I count a whole pack of kick-ass riders as personal friends. And that any one of them would fill that mentoring spot without even being asked, given the opportunity. There’s no ‘if’ involved about my being lucky. (In that department. The engine department is another story!) My little mentoring tag was for Troy's benefit. But as he indicated in his post, you can lead a horse to water... That part of my post was a bit subtle – he probably missed it. Unfortunately, that’s one of the ways that particular affliction manifests itself. I hope he can figure it out; he’ll be a happier guy when he does. But he’s probably right about growing older first. That’s the way it was with me. And BTY, your MPEG is awesome! Especially the sound track. Definitely heightens my resolve to get there! Ride on wit yo bad ass! C P | ||
| Bomber |
Gee Troy . . . .you must be very fast and cool, too . . .. also, a little thick . . . . you like SVs enough to buy one (great bikes, btw), and I liked My Buell enough to buy it (and still like it enought to keep it) . . . . so your point is, exactly, what, that you're fast around a track than me? no doubt (most are) . . . while not making as many track days as I'd like, I ride my M2 to the track, do my best, and ride home (due to extraordinary good luck) . . . . I enjoy what I get to do, and I enjoy most of the people with whom I get to do it . . . my enjoyment is not, however, increased by belittling others (if, for no other reason, I'm too much of a target) . . . I don't see a lot of BWMs at the track, either, but something tells me the few I DO see (and the many I see on the road) are showing their owners a great time, which is why most of us started rinding in the first place I hope your little adventure here has boosted your ego . . . clearly, it needed it . . . | ||
| Captpete |
Hey, guys... Let up on the Troll a little? The guy's really trying. Look at the trend of his posts. I guarantee he came here with his hackles up, ready for a fight. But he’s found a few Buellers who have blown his preconceived notions right out of the water, and he’s desperately (for him) trying to back-pedal without losing face. Personally, I think he’s come a long way in a short time. Especially considering his starting point. It took guts to even make the effort, IMHO. Troy: Good on ya, mate, as some of the Aussie members of our little family are wont to say. Capt. Pete Who’s starting to sound like he knows a whole lot more about life than he really does. | ||
| Spike |
Troll, Clearly your ignorance goes well beyond your disgust for Buells. What confuses me is how someone could have made it this far in life with such a personality disorder. Have you always been like this? Has there been some recent tragedy in your life? Were you abused (physically or verbally) by your peers as a child? I just don't understand what would cause a person to lash out like this. | ||
| Bomber |
let up on 'im cause he's only acting like half an idiot, instead of a complete one? Ohhhh . . .tha't why everyone around here is generally nice to me? point taken | ||
| Southernmarine |
Troy, maybe I've missed it, but have you ever been on a Buell, ever ridden one? I'll take a bike that handles exceptionally well over one with top end any day. I've got nothing but respect for anyone who races or even hits the track, I hope to do that one day soon myself.  Enjoyed the MPEG Blake. | ||
| Captpete |
let up on 'im cause he's only acting like half an idiot, instead of a complete one? Well, yeah, pretty much. Or maybe three quarters. ;-) I'd better get off of here before someone nominates me for Chief of the Nice Police. (I ain't proud of it, but that would be the joke of the century down at the commercial docks.) | ||
| Whatever |
TTT, To my knowledge Buells are capable of going more than 202 miles an hour... quite a bit faster than your crappy little Jap bike... http://www.nallinracing.com/ http://www.nallinracing.com/contactus.shtml Check out these links and take a ride up to Aaron's shop. I am sure all of your questions will be answered and your mind might even be blown open... since it is so closed right now, I think you could use the help. (sorry Aaron !!!  ) Charlotte | ||
| Cjmblast |
such a personality disorder. I think Spike's comments are a little over the top !! I agree with Captpete, give TTT a break, just convince him, don't attact him !! CJM  | ||
| Skully |
He he he. That's me that Blake is passing going into Turn 6 at Oak Hill Raceway during a recent practice session. I did manage to hold him at bay for several laps...  After riding Harleys for more than a decade, being able to touch my knee down in a turn is a HUGE deal for me. I didn't know a motorcycle would really do the things it will. However, as much as I enjoy the F3 on the track, it has no soul. I sold my '00 Harley Night Train and purchased a '03 Lightning. I've not even missed the Harley. This is the most fun I've had riding on the street in years. BTW, don't let Blake fool you guys, here is what he really does at the track when he's not passing me... | ||
| Fssnoc2501 |
Troy, I must agree with the good Captain, your posts have shown a certain turn to the middle. Not that we have you convinced, but the tone is more of open-mindedness and learning. Don't take everything we say too much to heart as we tend to be fairly hard on ourselves to. Keep posting as you have brought a different perspective to our little world. Ray Ducking as me thinks food will start to fly | ||
| Reepicheep |
Troy, you oughta take a trip to Colorado and take a ride on one of the 100 RWHP XB's that Aaron / Nallin is putting together, it sounds to me like a perfect sporting streetbike. If you look at the overall package, and the overall price, it compares favorably with most domestically available semi-exotics (Aprilla, Ducati, VStrom, BMW). We have been over the whole racebike / streetbike thing and beat it to death here already. Here are the standard positions if you want to save some time and cut straight to the conclusions to either agree or disagree (both camps are here). 1) There are plenty of bikes that are ready to wheel off the showroom floor and onto a track and post some scorching laptimes... but those same bikes invariably suffer as a street bike. Buell has consistently produced very good streetbikes that *can* perform OK on the track. Other makers produce consistently good racebikes that *can* perform OK on the street. Both approaches make sense, buy the one that fits your priorities. 2) The current racing rule body establishments focus on displacement is flawed. Based on underlying physics, displacement is an important aspect of potential performance. However, so is number of valves, air versus water cooling, valvetrain configuration (OHC versus desmo versus pushrod), number of cylinders, cylinder geometry, two stroke versus four stroke, etc etc. Racing rules that arbitrarily limit displacement while ignoring other significant factors create classes that give most other makes significant * but * purely * arbitrary * baseline advantages relative to Buells. If you want to claim that an engine that produces greater HP versus CC is somehow inheritly better and this should be the only factor, I imagine you would have no problem with somebody meeting you on the track with a 650cc two stroke to go up against your SV-650. 3) Every regular on this site that races their Buells, and for that matter their SV-650's (plenty of them here, Vic, Heinrik, Jose etc), in *any* class (including battletrax) seems to suceed in achieving their primary goals... they have a lot of fun and they become a better rider. Both bikes seem to be 100% effective in that regard. Anyway, these are what most "Buells and Racing" threads degenerate into over time, so you can just agree or disagree with these three topics, and you will have plenty of company here regardless of where you fall. And I don't think you will find many people here that want to slam the SV-650, if you are looking for a "SV's versus Buells" flamefest. Not everyone here (including me) gets an emotional connection with the SV650 as an overall package, but I don't think you will find a person here that will claim it is anything but a fantastic overall package for the price, and a breath of fresh air from the standard crop of lookalike repli-racers. I looked hard at buying one, have ridden several, and had a great time on all of them. I found a 2000 cyclone for the same price as an SV however, and found it to be a much more compelling bike. It is better in some ways, worse in others, but a far better choice for my particular needs, desires, skills, and goals. I tried to talk more then one good friend into buying an SV650 though... the first ignored me and generally regretted it, the second listened and was happy, but is already looking for a replacement a year and a half later. He does not feel there is anything wrong with the SV he just has not bonded with it somehow, and looking for something else. Me? They will pry my Cyclone from my cold dead fingers.  Everyone should be blessed enough to feel that way, and I am glad you feel that way about your SV, and as such welcome you to our virtual community. Bill | ||
| Troythetroll |
Bill, I don't feel about many of my bikes the way you do about your Cyclone. I never felt that way about my big Hondas or my little Hondas, but the sv has potential. Similar to the old FZR400 but in a more practical way. My KLR650, now THAT bike I thought was the greatest thing since sliced bread. The VMax wasn't bad but didn't provide enough performance, the old ZX10 still has a special place in my heart, this itty bitty beginner bike has a chance. I will know more after Memorial Day I suppose. And even more after a quick trip down the Blue Ridge. | ||
| Bads1 |
The V-MAX didn't have enough performance do you know anything about that bike?????For a bike that weighs as much as it does theres really nothing that can touch not bad for a 18 yr. old bike. | ||
| Troythetroll |
Bads1, I OWNED it didn't I? And I ran it against my 900RR and the 900RR would kick its butt in a rollon. I put lightweight buddy on one, me on the Honda, and the Honda would just walk away. I thought it was an excellent touring machine though, Corbin seat, had a nice windshield, lots of grunt. Even handled okay as long as you didn't get carried away. Crash bars and highway pegs, I could ride that thing forever and would have kept it if the range wasn't so crappy. As far as your opinion that nothing can touch it, I would beg to differ...severely. The 929 would incinerate it, hands down, most everywhere from 3K on up. And if my 929 would incinerate it, an R1 would vaporize it in the same rpm range, let alone the REAL strong machines like the big Gixxer. | ||
| Bads1 |
The bikes you speak of all weigh 200 plus less and fall in a totally diferent class also.I also a past owner of one and with just alittle work would spank a 929 with just filters pipe and messing with the V-boost.That would make up for the weight wouldn't it???? | ||
| Troythetroll |
Sure it would Bads1. But neither of the two bikes I owned was modded. Stock against stock the V-Max got blasted. Sorry. Now, you want to start modding? Then I have no doubt someone can make a Yugo run the quarter mile in 6 seconds flat... As far as a V-Max spanking the 929 with slight mods, darned if I know. Lumping it in the category of "a yugo running the quarter in 6 seconds" I would have to say anything is possible. | ||
| Bads1 |
You still didn't understand what I said Troy for a bike that weighs as much as it does and remember Troy its a cruiser not a sport bike and is 18 yrs old in technolgy nothing can touch it.It was 10 yrs ago when I owned mine but mine was quite modified. | ||
| Court |
>>>To my knowledge Buells are capable of going more than 202 miles an hour Officially....208.546MPH If you don't have a Bonneville Salt Flats timing slip, don't waste my time with bullshit. | ||
| Jim_Witt |
Keith wrote: BTW, don't let Blake fool you guys, here is what he really does at the track when he's not passing me...  -JW:> | ||
| Skully |
OK! Third time's a charm! Sorry about the earlier post. I started uploading the post and realized one of the pictures I needed was not on this computer. I then thought I could abort the post, but that did not work either. Let's try this again: He he he. I finally had a chance to view the video clip that Blake posted earlier. That's Blake passing me going into Turn 6 at Oak Hill Raceway during a recent practice session. I did manage to hold him at bay for several laps. However, I noticed he did not use the video clip of me pulling away from him in Turn 1.  After riding Harleys for more than a decade, being able to touch my knee down in a turn is a HUGE deal for me. I didn't know a motorcycle would really do the things it will. I began lapping OHR at 2:16 seconds. I've managed to work that down into the low 1:40s. However, as much as I enjoy the F3 on the track, it has no soul. I sold my '00 Harley Night Train and purchased an '03 Lightning. I've not even missed the Harley. This is the most fun I've had riding on the street in years. BTW, don't let Blake fool you guys, here is what he really does at the track when he's not passing me...  Troy- why don't you meet us at Hallet next month? Blake has never been there so it would be quite fair. Here's your chance the beat up on Buells with your SV and the whole BadWeb will be watching. How can you pass up an opportunity like that? Keith |
