| Author | Message | ||
     Choptop |
Do you ever remember me posting any thing bad about anyone else's chosen brand, on any board +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ yep, you've said that the 999 was a weak follow up to the 916. and I quote: "...But with the 999, and the Multistrada, the love affair is over. These are the ugliest Ducatis since the awful 'square tank' 860 of the late seventies...." but thats Ok. Its called an opinion, and not all opinions are positive. Thats the beauty of it all. you dont HAVE to like EVERYTHING. so which of yer categories do i fall into... let me guess, even though I've said I'd buy another Buell if I liked it enough, or had the cash to make it race ready, yer gunna put me in the "Never buy one again" category, instead of realizing that your testing instrument is inherently flawed by your own prejudgice. (Message edited by Choptop on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Jon |
This post is not directed at any specific person or post, but is meant as a general comment. If anyone, I need to head my own wisdom from time to time... The guys at Sacborg have other bikes, it's true. Most of them have a different perpsective on their motorcycle exprience and goals than a lot of folks here, and in the cold void of keyboard outer space, we often over-misunderstand each other because of our different "filters". Chop and Vik a two real pleasant guys for those of you who have not met them. Blake can attest. We (Sacborgs/Badwebber) definitely trade barbs from timer to time, but bonafide dislike and vitreol is just not realistic. If you met them, you would be tempted to like them both quite a bit. I know they feel that way as well. No smilies here to confuse anyone. Of course, this doesn't mean that I shouldn't examine argue and dismiss the other guy's opinion, it just means that I remember that he's a person, not a post and that I would gladly fellowship with him anytime...Like at Laguna. Now having said that, I hope like heck we never have Badwebbers posting pic's of themselves with lycra tights and 80's man make-up. While I was catching some of that action on Sacborg, I was afraid that if my wife happen to see the computer screen she might think that I was looking at Homo Porn. Somebody rush over there quick and post a Buell topic... (Message edited by jon on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Jon |
Xlcr, Really enjoying your posts and viewpoint. Rock on. | ||
| Choptop |
I wanna see Blake with hair !!!   | ||
| Jon |
Now that was crew-ell. Well done, but cruel. | ||
| Tramp |
Jon- great points, all. Same, Chop- great points. Like I say, it's only bikes. Again, I always feel that in person, most folkses on these boards would get along well. I would like to see those 'emabarrassing' pics of badwebbers, as well. The looks I got from my girlfriend, however, as she passed the monitor when I was viewing those glam rock posts, were worth the price of admission. | ||
| Xlcr |
So what now Chop, class warfare? Are you stooping to making fun of me because I'm poor? I've already made it clear that's the only reason I'm not riding a new Buell. And of course you have the money for a garage full of bikes, and to go racing, something I'll never get to do in this life. Nothing like the well-off dumping on the less fortunate. As far as the 999, David Edwards asked for an opinion on the bike, he wanted some for the letters column, so I gave him one, and I stand by it. I said the 999 will never be the legend the 916 was, and so far I think events are agreeing with me. Not that it's a bad bike at all, functionally, there is no doubt it's better. But it doesn't have the looks, and it just isn't the fresh new package that the 916 was when it first appeared. Too, timing is everything, and the 916 appeared at the right moment. I also wrote in that letter that as time went on I would get used to the 999 and it would grow on me, and that has in fact happened. It helps that the factory did a little tasteful restyling in places too. I would love to own one, but if I were buying a Ducati I would probably get a Monster, for the sake of practicality, as I will never be able to afford more than one bike. Really, the critique was more about the styling and the bike's place in history than about the bike itself, and it WAS asked for, after all. True confessions, if I lived closer than 500 miles from the nearest dealer, I would probably be riding a Ducati now. When I went to buy a new bike in 1977 I was going to get an original tower-shaft 900SS, but price and lack of dealer support finally made me reluctantly give up on the idea. I then started negotiating on a new Triumph Bonneville, then I walked into a Harley dealer and saw two XLCRs gathering dust on the showroom floor, and the dealer said I could have them for $2700 apiece, and suddenly I was a Harley man. | ||
| Tramp |
I'd dig some pics of your xlcr, xlcr. the first buell. i'm poorer than you. ask hammer and mikexlr650 about the little hippy hovel I rent..... | ||
| Choptop |
where do you get class warfare from? Nice work trying to deflect and change the real subject. the point I'm making is you are at least as bad, if not worse than those you point a finger at and scream about alledged Buell Bashing... except you are the other extreme. as soon as someone says anything even remotely not 130% positive about Buell, you jump all over them.... you go as far as to point the finger at the alledged Bashers and say... They dont even own a Buell !!!! But you cheerlead and rant 130% positive and bash anyone who even remotely says otherwise about a bike you dont even own... you cant see the parallel? | ||
| Choptop |
you call the 999 and Multi the ugliest Ducatis in a long time, and yet you say you've never said anything "bad" about another bike.... I dont get it. My point to you there is... its OK, to think a bike is ugly. Thats GREAT. Heck, scream it.. I THINK THE 999 IS THE UGLIEST DUCATI IN A LONG TIME !!!! Thats great. you dont have to like EVERYTHING, and when you dont like something... one CAN have opinion about it. just like I can have an opinion that the XB isnt the best cornering bike in the world. doesnt mean one is worthy of contempt, or threats of graveyard urination. | ||
| Xlcr |
One more try! [IMG]http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/XLCR/Img001.jpg[/IMG] | ||
| Tramp |
Yahtzee! | ||
| Xlcr |
No Chop, the contempt is for going on and on and on and on and on........ At some point that surpasses posting an opinion and turns into trolling, pure and simple. By the time I posted that you had passed that point some time before, and you were STILL going on. (Message edited by xlcr on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Seth |
XLCR's XLCR  | ||
| Choptop |
and you were STILL going on. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ and you are doing the same.... paraphrasing - Lets take a poll on SacBorg, I bet we find out their all Buell haters that dont own a Buell. again, another parallel between you and those you put down. so that answers you contempt for me, but lets get back to other points. Can you see the parallels between you and those you seek to vilanize? What classification do I fit in to on your little poll? can you see its flawed? can you see its tainted by your prejudgice? | ||
| Road_thing |
Just out of curiosity, Chop, since we're comparing and contrasting boards, how you handle moderating, or custodian-ing, or whatever it might be called, on Sacborg? Are you and Vik the only moderators, or is there a panel, like we have here? And when a thread gets out of hand, in the opinion of one, some or all of the moderators, do you nuke it, or edit the offending posts, or ask the offenders to tone it down, or what? rt | ||
| Choptop |
Vik and I are it. I dont think we've ever edited anyone... I take that back, I did once, and then re-instated the post to let it stand on its own. I've banned 4 people in the history of SacBorg. Two were momentary, the other two still stand. One from the great Pelican Board invasion One was a regular user who registered a fake screen name and said some pretty seriously •••••• up •••• about someone in need. We let the citizens of SacBorg wish him well (in thier own polite way  ), I emailed him personally and got no response... he stopped posting after that, and just for kicks I banned his I.P. I dont think its still in effect, since we've had a board crash and rebuild since then. But for the most part, the posters on SacBorg take care it themselves. If someone gets out of hand, they are left to the mercy of the readers. I think Vik and I have locked threads before, when someone wouldnt take a hint. But its up to him or me to do so. Usually followed by a ph9one call to each other to say whats up. | ||
| Xlcr |
Chop, short answer, no. | ||
| Choptop |
no other real rules... cept for a request not to post porn, at least not make a habit of it, since many read the site at work. If ya want Porn there are plenty of sites out there with it. and dont say something to someone you wouldnt say to their face. Things get pretty heated online sometimes, and its a good rule to remember. The internet IS the real world, contrary to what some think. They send you to the same jail for threatening someone online as they do if you did it in person. It dont get any more real world than that. I've divided the site up for religious/political threads and other content after the religious/political content was taking over the site. Funny, since I've done that, the religious/political talk has died off considerably. I guess its not as fun anymore to make random posts now that it has its own venue. | ||
| Choptop |
Chop, short answer, no. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ dont worry, I didnt think you could see the exact/opposite parallels that you are following. Who wants to admit they are wrong? and admit they are doing the EXACT/OPPOSITE thing to those they are pointing the finger at? | ||
| Tramp |
Much of the political/religious stuff died down on all the big 3 buell boards after the elections, i noticed. I also noticed that a sort of virtual truce was struck by 'thems' of us who figured out that we all want what's best for our country, we just see different ways of getting there, and that we're bound together by our similar interests in motorcycles. we could all split hairs by motorcycle brands, he*l, we could hav etwenty new buell boards and threaten to wee-wee on graves because poster A. feels that the XB 9 pales by comparison to the XB12, and we could be threatening to meet up in person because wthe Ulysses.org guy tells the tubers.net guy to pipe the sam hill down about ulysses-bashing, etc. we can keep splitting each thiung in two. kinda like dialectics.... hey- carousel is a lie -sandtramp (Message edited by tramp on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Eeeeek |
To be blunt, there have been threads on SacBORG that have made my blood boil. There have been threads that were so far removed from what I beleive that I've been tempted to hit the delelte button. I haven't, I've let them ride. The site is either self moderating or it isn't. I've locked threads per originators requests and I've locked one or two that just got to me; but, for the most part, I let them go. Take the Uly review thread, for example. It turned from a great review of the Uly into a pissing match. I let it be and you know what? It came back around. If you slam the door on someone before they're through speaking/venting/bitching, they're going to get pissed and bitch even louder and longer. You let them vent and often times common grounds can be found. I truly like what SacBORG has become, although it's not at all what I intended it to be. Don't mistake "like" for "agree with everything," though. Vik (Message edited by eeeeek on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Road_thing |
I think Vik and I have locked threads before, when someone wouldnt take a hint. Yeah, that happens here, too. Usually the custodians chat about it first, just to make sure it's not just one custodian with a wild hair that's unhappy about the way the conversation's going. Not exactly a pure democracy with one person/one vote, but locking a thread rarely takes place unless there's more than one of us that thinks it's appropriate. But we do appreciate it when polite requests to cool things down don't go completely unheeded. rt | ||
| Tramp |
Veeek said: "Don't mistake "like" for "agree with everything," though. " well-put. should be part of the user's agreement for registering on all these sites | ||
| Road_thing |
"Don't mistake "like" for "agree with everything," though. " Couldn't agree with you more. "The site is either self moderating or it isn't." There's a major difference between Sacborg and BWB. By the owner's conscious decision, BWB is not self moderating. When things run off the spool on BWB, the custodians try to guide them back. Failing that, posts are edited or threads are locked. The guiding principle has evolved to "stop the fights before they get too ugly." It's easier (certainly from the moderator's point of view) to do it the Sacborg way, but whether it's better or not is a matter of opinion. rt | ||
| Eeeeek |
And that's why the boards complement each other, in a way. SacBORG turned into what it is because that's what the membership wanted. Likewise, BadWeb is the way it is because that makes the members happy. Trying to compare item per item would be like trying to compare an XB12R and a Uly.  Vik | ||
| M2me |
By the owner's conscious decision, BWB is not self moderating. When things run off the spool on BWB, the custodians try to guide them back. Failing that, posts are edited or threads are locked. Let's be honest here. The posts aren't edited. They are deleted. Just the threads aren't locked. The people writing the posts are also locked out, banned from the board. This happens not just when things run off the spool or the fight is getting ugly. It also happens because someone is expressing a point of view that doesn't jive with the custodians. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy BadWeb. I have probably posted more on BadWeb then ATC and SacBORG combined. But I'm happy that those alternatives are there. Everybody needs a different point of view once in a while. | ||
| Jon |
One thing I don't like is people who bitch as a business model. People like that don't belong on Badweb. Not everybody can be here or be happy here. It's a private club. If you don't like what we're smoking, party someplace else. That's our flavor. | ||
| M2me |
What one person calls bitching another person might call telling it like it is. Who's right? I don't know. Let's set up a discussion board and discuss it. The whole point to any discussion is for people to express their different view points, argue them, maybe find common ground, maybe not. If you say, "People like that don't belong on Badweb. That's our flavor." then what is the point? Why have a discussion board, a forum where only like minded people are welcome? It's pointless! Don't you get that?  Actually, this is one of the main reasons I only post political stuff on motorcycle boards. Most of the political boards also take the "it's a private club" mentality. For me, posting political opinions with like minded individuals is pointless. Politics needs conflict. Being in conflict with another person doesn't need to mean bitching. It can mean just having a different take on things. Why is that so bad? Why don't you want those people in your club? It's what makes life interesting! | ||
| Jon |
"Bitching as a business model". That's the breakpoint. Nobody has a right to come in here and impose on the member's patience or pleasure in the name of freedom of speech or diversity. You simply don't have that right...nobody does...and membership is optional. Badweb is a multifunctional site. We have goals and vision for Badweb. Badweb cannot and will not be all things for all people. Don't take that as a challenge, it's just the way it is. (Message edited by jon on October 11, 2005) |
