| Author | Message | ||
     Tramp |
references to stalking excised, as well. all apologies- | ||
| Ricky |
"The best thing any of us can do for our board of choice is to set an example and be a constructive member...and ban a troll every now and then.  " Good thing You put the wink guy in there. I thought you might have been serious.  | ||
| Mikej |
"I love MOPtorcycles" Is that a .com, .org, .net, .ch, or .somethingelse? I can't find it to compare nor contrast. Okay, time to go hide again.   | ||
| Bomber |
well, that, and the fact that the tracks were so, oh, you know ;-} | ||
| Tramp |
"Good thing You put the wink guy in there. I thought you might have been serious" I'm confused by that wink as well... I just went ahead and deleted anything that may have seeemed less-than-constructive concerning my posts on this thread.....sometimes emoticons create more conusion and drown out any attendant concision....  | ||
| S1eric |
I have been here and at ATC since the beginning. Been lurking on the borg from the beginning. Bad Web has the best info hands down, But as of late it reminds me of political correctness. A lot of XB riders might not be seeing the problems (some) tuber riders had. I have had 5 tubers, Sold the ones that were ---- Ah----- less than stellar. Kept my S1s, And will probably add an XB to the garage in the future. That brings me to the borg. Much more entertaining, And informative in its own right. Nothing sugar coated over there. But a lot of those riders have lagitimate beefs with the brand period. Some don`t want to here it, Or maybe just here it over & over. It`s speak you mind on the borg and I like that. I`m still A Buell fan, I like my S1,s and will be riding them for years to come. S1Eric | ||
| Tramp |
s1eric- you seeem to be (possibly) operating under the delusion that profanity and vinegar translate to "telling it like it is". a common misconception amongst folks who grew up in a tidy middle-class home, pining to hang with the kids on the corner smoking Camels and cussing...but I digress.... Me and the peeps I do most time of my riding with tend to use the F word as an interjection between evry other two words, hence, I get the F-bomb off my own chest offline, and feel no computer-geek need to exercise my profanity rights online. Not that i have a problem with that, by any means, but I don't confuse raw verbiage with 'telling it like it is'. Incidentally, I can think of a sacborger who's never owned a Buell: "greenmonster"...and I've been logging on over there for only a couple months.... I'm not trying to take anything away from that fine site, but, please, let's keep it on the up and up.... I've noticed that some of the notorious ratpackers there (NO, not the site owners, by any means, nor Dyna) tend to give themselves up on their homepages, describing motorcycle issues/crashes as being somehow perpetrated by the 'will' of their machines. What this suggests to me is a rider who eschews culpability, and therefore accountability for his/her own riding 'shortcomings', and blames it on the machine. when said blame is interspersed with wannbe-thug vitriol, it is what it is, and not neccessarily "telling it like it is" One of my central reasons for defending balke and badweatherbikers.com has been the gentlemanly take he/the site has on things. Much can be learned, here. | ||
| Bomber |
I'm thinkin entertainment is taken where it's found -- what one person finds side-splittingly funny, engaging or interesting bores the daylights outa another -- it's good that everyone can have a forum for their self-expression (how's THAT for left-coast counding pablum? {grin}), and that the things seen as having little value in one selddom ooze over to another -- SACBORG captured my imagination for about 9 months, and then I realized I was spending way too much energy getting cranky at the military geniuses (who'd never been in uniform), the political bright sparks (who boasted of never voting), and the world-class riders (who's scoot, as tramp sez, simply throw them to the ground on a random basis), so I stopped reading -- none of this is a shot at the board owners, or even the arm-chair Rossi's, Eisenhowers, or Churchills -- they're having fun, god bless em, and they are welcome to it. sez me Balke? Have you identified Mr Rudy's Eastern European roots, at long last Tramp? or have you been reading my atrocious typing too long? | ||
| Tramp |
didn't miss that one- he drives no yugo, doubt the "R" name should be out there, though- "message to bomby"  | ||
| S1eric |
Tramp Thanks for putting (possibly) in there. I`m not saying profanity & vinegar is telling it like it is. But i did say You can speak your mind, on the borg. {It certainly isn`t for everyone thats for sure. About the delusion, Hmmmm Thanks for the compliment. I do enjoy Buells after all. Yep some riders bring there own mechanical misfortunes upon them selves, No question about it. But I also put (some) not all but (some)} Problems (some) tuber riders had. My post was about the boards in general. I`m not defending anyones diatribe.} There can be A lot of trolls about, On the borg. (lets keep it on the up and up) I am, maybe you read to much into my post. It was very general from my part. Delusional Eric} | ||
| Tramp |
I tend to do that- sorta get 'focused' on a point and pound on it (NO! Not YOU, Tramp!) , obviously you see my point. i certainly see yours, man. were i to start a buell site (never happen) that was probuell, and i bashed the living sh*t outta all the biscuit-eating buell haters, dropping the F bomb and telling 'em wher ethey can put it in no uncertain or delicate terms, it'd be viewed by most as 'telling it like it is', even if my points were stretched and/or unwarranted. One sacborg ratpacker states this on his 'my bikes' page: "The Buell on the other hand is prone to fits. Some say it has "character", I say it has problems. Buells are prone to many, many problems. Body work falls apart. Engines grenade with no warning. Electronics go bad often. It really can be a headache. I still like the looks of it though. ... On August 11th, 2000 I was going to the local dragstrip with some friends and as I was leaving my parking spot to get gas, the throttle stuck wide open. After about 100 feet, it was over and my bike was pinned in the fender of an old Ford Econoline van. Below is what's left of the bike. Now that I have a garage, I can start the rebuilding process." *end quote* yikes- "the throttle stuck wide open" ???? so he crashed a hundred feet away? what about the clutch and the brakes? were they somehow inoperative, as well? this happened on his Honda...why no honda bash? "my bike was pinned in the fender of an old ford econoline van".... Howzabout (My own quotes, for fun's sake): I lost control of my Honda when the throttle stuck and I'm such an inexperienced rider I never thought to depress the clutch and hit the brakes, much less the kill switch.... and I caused a collision witha nother vehicle, which I hit with my Honda, being a total idiot at the helm." but, no, we have the former account stated by the buell basher. credibility: 0. | ||
| Choptop |
ya see Tramp, you've grouped the two together.... the part about - "The Buell on the other hand is prone to fits. Some say it has "character", I say it has problems. Buells are prone to many, many problems. Body work falls apart. Engines grenade with no warning. Electronics go bad often. It really can be a headache. I still like the looks of it though. ... is true...The body work does fall apart, the engines did grenade, the electronics did go bad. the other part is part bike, part rider. Yep the throttle stuck. But I dont see anything in that post that blames Buell. to get down to it... Telling it like it is, is just that. If you have a Buell that blows up on you and yer pissed about it, you can say that on SacBorg. Say that here, and you'll get bashed. Hell, say you dont think Buell is the bestest EVER bar none and there isnt even another bike that is remotely close and Erik is an engineering GOD and you'll get bashed here. THATS the difference. There is a place for both. Thats why both boards are around. Pick yer flavor. | ||
| M2me |
There seems to be lots of myths surrounding both BadWeb and SacBORG that people just accept as fact. For example, BadWeb is more "gentlemanly" than SacBORG. Actually, some of the most ungentlemanly, disrepectful online behaviour that I've ever experienced has been right here on BadWeb. Just avoiding "profanity and vinegar" does not make you a gentleman. SacBORG is a bunch of Buell hating thugs. They hate everything Buell. The bikes, the people, even the founder of the company. The poll that XLCR posted is now a thread on SacBORG. You might be surprised by some of the responses so far. Yes there are a few staunch Buell haters, but they are actually in the minority. | ||
| Choptop |
pretty quiet from XLCR now that results from his poll are coming in over on SacBorg. Not what you expected eh? | ||
| Choptop |
Dont confused not jumping up and down at ever fart Erik makes with Buell hating. Here's a tip, lots of people on SacBorg own LOTS of different types of bikes, and guess what, just cuz you own and ride a particular kind of bike doesnt mean you HAVE to think its the bestest ever. And saying something bad about it a particular bike doesnt make one a "hater". example - My FZ1 has soft, squishy, budget stock suspension. So much so that I spent over $1k to make it bearable for me to ride. Its not the best suspension in the world (*gasp !!!!!*). Stock it is very vague and "plush". It renders the FZ1 hard to ride at any sort of pace above cruising or commuting. It also has an annoying hesitation at 5k rpm (stock jetting). The stock handle bars suck arsse. They put yer wrists at a funuy angle that puts yer hands to sleep. So much so that I had to spend another $300 for a set of ConvertiBars. In stock trim the FZ1 has niggles that make it an inferior sport touring mount (its intended niche) see, I've said something bad about a Yamaha. Does that mean that I'm paid by HD to badmouth Yammy. It doesnt mean that I HATE the FZ1 and seek to put it down at every turn and do nothing but troll message boards seeking to spew about the FZ1. One can have opinions pro and con about they bikes they own and/or ride. And even express them with an "attitude" i.e. The stock FZ1 handle bars suck arsse. again, that doesnt make me an FZ1 hater. | ||
| Choptop |
so which Buell does XLCR own anyway? | ||
| Xlcr |
Nope! Never owned a Buell! Never owned a modern bike period! My last new purchase of a bike is the '77 Cafe Racer I'm still riding. As it is an AMF Ironhead, I know all about unreliability. I can say it has never left me stranded, though it has limped in on one cylinder more than once. That's because I maintain the heck out of it, and never go more than 50 miles without throwing the bags full of tools and spares over the back. I have several friends with Buells, and none of them has ever had to do nearly as much wrenching as I routinely do just to keep mine on the road. SO, to me all this unreliability talk is just whining. Back when I started riding if you weren't a mechanic you had no business riding motorcycles. Back then if you wanted a big bike Harleys and Brit bikes were all there was, and we used to say Harleys fell apart all the time, and Brit bikes fell apart all at once! While I am getting lazy and seeing the advantages of modern reliability, I miss the exclusive atmosphere riding once enjoyed. It may be more prosperous now, but at the expense of too many posers and squids, and I'm talking all brands here. No type of bike is totally immune. As far as your additional categories, Chopper, most of them seem to be just more polite/and/or/wordy ways of saying the same thing I said. I'm a bit of a poverty case, with college for two kids coming up, but I'm working hard on figuring out how to come up with the funds for a new Lightning Long. I rode one at Sturgis this year, and fell in love! | ||
| Choptop |
So after pointing the finger and saying "I bet none of THEM even own Buells!!!" you yerself fall into the same category? Priceless (Message edited by choptop on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Xlcr |
Just tried to go to SACborg and see myself, still can't get on..... Hey! Maybe they are blocking me! That would be kind of cool, being as I've never even posted there! Banned on reputation alone! That would be a first! PS, read the catagory again! It says "Never owned one and never will". I will definitely own one, even if I have to scrimp and save for a while. (Message edited by xlcr on October 10, 2005) | ||
| Choptop |
So which one would I fall into there XLCR... I owned a Buell for 5 years, loved it. I found a bike that filled the same niche that I liked better. I kept both bikes for a while cuz I didnt want to part with the Buell, but when I needed the space/$ for another bike, I sold the Buell, no anger involved. so which of your categories does that fall into? | ||
| Bomber |
ok, since there are some that can't smile without poking others in the eye -- any regulator should feel free to just 86 this thread altogether -- silly me, I didn't hink a simple that you could degenerate this far (I know, I shoulda had more faith) ;-} | ||
| Choptop |
Just tried to go to SACborg and see myself, still can't get on..... Hey! Maybe they are blocking me! That would be kind of cool, being as I've never even posted there! Banned on reputation alone! That would be a first +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ dont pat yerself on teh back too much.... its not becoming. Why would I ban you? Having you post on SacBrog would be a HOOT. They'd eat you up oh Buell-less one. Yer paranoid pschyco babble would be like blood in the water to the sharks over there. We are in the process of moving servers and having trouble with the old one. It will be back up in a few minutes. | ||
| Mikexlr650 |
xlcr, i used to enjoy your posts (often defending buell and hd) over at cycleworld forums close to five years ago. you were one of the few level headed ones with any real mechanical knowledge (hopefully your the same guy). you seem to attract a fair bit of aggression here, for that i'm surprised as i thought this place was better than that. . always wondered if you ever got into the buells as you seem to own the "original". mike | ||
| Xlcr |
Well, are you planning to buy another one? I believe I have your category in, "sold mine and will never buy another one". If I'm wrong, then let's hear your plans for your next Buell purchase. | ||
| Choptop |
when/if Buell makes a bike that I like, I'd buy one in an instant. I dont care about brands, I buy/ride what I like. I liked my S3T, but I liked the FZ1 better. So I have an FZ1, and no S3T. If the XB platform werent so friggin expensive to make race worthy, I'd be racing an XB. As it is, I bought a race prepped SV with alllll the goodies for what the chain conversion and fairings would have cost for the XB (not to mention the motor work, suspension upgrades, custom mapping, changes to the fuel tank...). So, yes, I would buy another Buell. just a matter of time/taste/models/$ I've never said I would never buy another Buell. You seem to confuse not currently owning one with that sentiment. | ||
| Choptop |
its just fitting to the absurdity of all the BS here and abroad lately that the one guy that has been to most over the top whacko in the whole thing has never even owned a Buell. again, priceless. | ||
| Xlcr |
Thanks, Mike. Yes, I'm the same guy, and I'm still level headed, no matter what some try to paint me. And yes, I've been crusading against the Buell and Harley haters at least that long, and I've had some success. After long, knockdown, drag-out fights on CF and MotorcycleUSA, rules were passed disallowing personal insults and direct attacks on the bikes of other posters, though you can still criticize bikes in general. Of course, it wasn't all my doing, but the moderators of those boards eventually discovered that allowing unrestricted Harley and Buell bashing was more trouble than it was worth. Oddly, I agree with Chop, you shouldn't say on line what you wouldn't say in person. I would really like to see politeness everywhere. But sometimes when you get in the trenches it gets a little dirty. I believe in B.F. Skinner's psychology. Most trolls are in it because they are having fun messing with other people's emotions. My technique is to make it very much not fun, and keep making it not fun until the behavior is extinguished. I'm painfully aware that at least in the case of Harley bashing, many Harley riders bring that on by their attitudes on meeting riders of other brands, and the posers are the worst for this. However, once on-line, the trend seems to go in the other direction. There are far more Harley-haters posting than Japanese bike haters. I don't really see too many of the latter. I really don't think most Harley riders care enough about other brands to bother. They mostly just ignore them, which of course makes them even madder. So I've gotten in the habit of trying to redress the balance. Sometimes it gets a little weird, but it's rewarding in some ways. I made the lead editorial in CW that way, pontificating on Harley's and Buell's future. I guess I started doing it because I hate misinformation, and most of the haters were still talking about AMF levels of vibration and unreliability like over 20 years of Evos never happened. They clearly just believe what they want, regardless of fact, which seriously gets me started. And as for Buells, the haters mostly just focus on tubers, which is obviously because there is very little negative to be said about XB reliability. So in order to knock XBs they keep dragging the conversation to the race track, though we all know they weren't intended to be race bikes. It's not that I'm trying to be the thought police, it's just common courtesy. Do you ever remember me posting any thing bad about anyone else's chosen brand, on any board? I haven't and I won't. I've owned five Hondas, though it's been many years now, and for the most part I liked them. I've ridden a lot of other brands over the years since. I never pass up the chance to test ride every new bike I can get a hold of, and I can say this. They are ALL a LOT better than my old Cafe Racer! Yes, I still love my old bike, and I still think it's one of the most beautiful and great sounding bikes ever made. But as a motorcycle it's a hopeless antique compared to any modern bike. So unlike far too many on-line, I don't criticize other people's bikes. People who live in glass houses and all that; plus I just don't believe in it. In the end, we are all riders together, and those who must maintain some sort of motorcycling apartheid and are willing to go to any length to preserve a personally ordained 'pecking order' are only hurting all of us. | ||
| Jon |
Tramp, Nothing wrong in your posts that I can see. No squaring away needed. You are no troll, either. The jist of what I was trying to say was that I detected that you were helping out ATC in some fashion or another. Right on. At ease, soldier. | ||
| Mikej |
(this is going to be a long, cold, hard winter....) | ||
| Jon |
Tramp and Ricky, The wink was there because we have banned trolls from time to time from Badweb. You have to really stretch the limit over an extended period of time to get banned here. Man, I never even imagined that anyone would read anything into that statement. I'll be more or less careful next time...  |
