| Author | Message | ||
     Jon |
People that dive or surf are INSANE. Never eat a sandwich that has been touched by a diver or a surfer. Always wash your hands after touching or having been touched by a diver or a surfer. | ||
| Slaughter |
and NEVER wash using water! You never know where it's been... Fish F**K in it! | ||
| Blake |
 Steve, Your good humor and witty posts always brighten my day. Thanks for that. You too Jon. | ||
| Philip |
(Message edited by philip on August 10, 2005) | ||
| Philip |
insane little girls!  | ||
| Bomber |
alrightalrightalright -- let's get this darned thread back to where it belongs -- the secondarily hiajcked topic of HST vs Papa -- sheesh good points, Tramp, about Papa's service in WW1, wasn't aware of any q-ship activity (thought they were German armed merchantmen, but, hey, I've been wrong {alot} before), but had read of some rum-running while I've never spoken to any of the angels HST claimed to be tight with (or, come to think of it, any REAL angels {1% type} at all), the writing smacked (get it, smacked!) of the standard "take a mustard grain of truth and stretch it beyond all credulity" M.O. that the doctor used as his revenue stream (I'm a big fan of his writing, btw, it's just a mistake to view it as good journalism). I know that his claims wrt time with Nixon are, er, exaggerated a bit, and, having spent a couple of hours with him (during my trucated and aborted college career -- imagine HST coming to Southern Ill U, of all places), I can attest that he'd managed to smoke, trip and drink himself straight, and continued right through through to comatose and darned near incontinent again . . . . as for Papa riding a Buell, I'll give ya that one -- very likely, I spose, but again, viewing his ramblings as accurate journailism, except in the most impressionistic of senses, would be an error odd that they both chose to check out under their own power, rather than ride out whatever the norns may have woven for them, ain't it? | ||
| Jackbequick |
"..never spoken to any of the angels HST claimed to be tight with..." I lived in the SF Bay Area for many years, and the Hells Angels made the papers on a variety of topics (and not all negative) from time to time. I remember reading somewhere that HST was persona non grata with them because he did not share the wealth of his success with the Hells Angels book with them. I read most of his books, he had some great one liners. One of my favorites: "Flying on United Airlines is like crossing the Andes on a prison bus." Jack | ||
| Tramp |
jack- HST was disliked, not because he didn't share the wealth, but because he helped to perpetrate some negative myths regarding the club. 'the boys' got angry about a few hollywood firms not sharing the wealth, after they told them they would, and that's what lead to the club having it's name/image copyrighted. HST's definiteive text became, inadvertantly, a veritable handbook for law enforcement, and this caused some resentment, as well. had it NOT been for his book, some argue, the club might have remained a relatively small organization with far less reknown, for better or worse. my own feelings toward HST & his body of work (i've read ALL of it....honestly- ALL) are only celebratory and positive. journalism itself dictates a degree of advertisement inherent throughout a work. this is the nature of the beast he chose to mount. that being said, you'll have to take my word, based on my own experiences, that today's angel is a far, FAR cry away from the rapacious dirtbag which HST embellished/invented. | ||
| Tramp |
"I know that his claims wrt time with Nixon are, er, exaggerated a bit," -i think that's an accurate summation of all journalism dealing with R. MIllhouse Nixon. While I will continue to avoid politics on this fine site, let me say that my feelings on Nixon, the man, parallel my feelings on Nixon, the prez. He was brilliant, capable almost to a fault, and a VERY hardworking statesman. The crime is not so much what he committed, in my opinion, but how he's remembered. | ||
| Bomber |
we've discuoverd an area in which we, honorable men, both of us, disagree, sir tramp Brilliant, you bet. Capable, very much so hardworking in the extreme, strooth did he do anything that others before and after did? likely not, or at least, not much his foreign policy work (minus SE Asia) was stunning (in a good way) his domestic work, while not stellar, was OK I believe his arogance and firm apparant belief in the "divine right of presidents" was his undoing -- I know I should move along and go quietly, but I'd still like 10 minutes alone with the man he is not the only chief exec to fall to hubris, clearly -- seems to be an occupational hazard | ||
| Tramp |
well put- very well put. | ||
| Tramp |
we agree more than my post implied, trampthinks.... i rty to avoid quoting hst too much, being that when i wrote (for cashish) my calliope-jabbering 'won' me too many paralleles to hst, which kinda made me feel a bit cheeze-wiz., or, at worst, influenced. anyway- hst wrote that rmn had to 'shave while he was shaving' ( a turn of phrase i've shopilifted, ad nauseum..sue me)... hst further opined that this *feature* gave rmn a real '30s gangster persona, which exuded tommy-gun hubris and little caesarian angst which (dis)coloured rmn's career. had he the clean close gilette shave of , say, a jfk, he might have been seen less edward g robinson and more jimmie stewart. who dat? | ||
| Bomber |
grin -- that the good Doktor thought his writing may have, in any way influenced the thinking of any but a small, crazed band of goofs (including, perhance, thee and me) is funny -- he's hard NOT to quote, though, as his phrases turn better than an XB12 (and I'll write an internet article to prove it!) . . . I mean, who can resist the call of an untterance such as the loverly "jack-hammer stomp?" not me! make sme wanna dance | ||
| Snail |
I'd like to bring my feelings on this Anon. situation to good closure and be done with it. So far I have seen posts from friends that supported me, I have seen excuses for Anons. behavior, and cries to forget about it. What I haven't seen is an apology, an i.d. for Anon., or any valdity to his assertion: "Snail, don't bet that the Hayabusa club would have welcomed you with open arms at Bonneville were you to have shown up with a Buell. Unfortunately, you, like them and Vic and Chop and Cecil, can take just fine as long as you don't have to give back." 1. Identify yourself. 2. Apologize. Or, substantiate your claims. | ||
| Jon |
Hey phil, Yes, ALL who venture into the sea are INSANE! But these girls still have a chance to return to the land and engage in safe sports, like motorcycles. (Message edited by jon on August 10, 2005) | ||
| Road_thing |
Hey, I recognize that girl on the left... rt | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Gotta back Snail on this one... "1. Identify yourself. 2. Apologize. Or, substantiate your claims." Ya see, it's that accountability thing, a nicity that's been, apparently, relegated to the shite can. This board prides itself on a certain level of civility. What is more civil than apologizing for a wrong act? | ||
| Henrik |
1. Identify yourself. 2. Apologize. Or, substantiate your claims. Can't argue with you there Paul. Spot on. Henrik | ||
| Ezblast |
Reg - out of this whole group - you are the man I respect the most, yet I have followed this thread and still not seen any validity to any of these arguements - why - because it is just words, this is the net, and not a darn thing said was any more caustic than I could have heard at a bar - listening to two old friends argueing - too much thin skin lately is my take on it. You know I usually do'nt say much on any of the non thumper topics, but this caught my interest. All the folks here - even the onery ones - lol - are people whose opinion I respect and listen too - even if I do disagree in the end. You all need to ride more and worry about stuff like this less - its good for the soul;0) - I've been so busy riding and living life that I hardly post anymore yet here I am commenting on this - lol - you guys do what you want - you always do, but I'm going riding, to work and then elsewhere - enjoying my Buells, life, and not worrying about what is written on the net or elsewhere - its only words! Got Thump?! Just Blasting on the Dark side! EZ  | ||
| Grndskpr |
Gotta back Snail on this one... "1. Identify yourself. 2. Apologize. Or, substantiate your claims." +1 i concur R | ||
| Regkittrelle |
EZ... Gotta agree, in principle. Here's the thing that bugs me tho; Were the context of the comments (i.e.) the 'net to always accompany the comments there'd be no problem. Unfortunatley, that context gets lost, and we're left with just ugly comments. You're also right about the riding; When I'm on the bike, I never think of anything remotely related to what we find here. | ||
| Mikej |
+2 | ||
| Jb2 |
+3 | ||
| CJXB |
Nice post EZ !!! That's still my take on it, not that an apology isn't in order or that feelings (girly word)didn't get hurt, but to expend so much energy on just words, this is the net, and not a darn thing said was any more caustic than I could have heard at a bar seems over dramatic !? And if anyone disagrees with me on this I'm going home to pout, sulk and cry !! | ||
| Josh_ |
>I could have heard at a bar Kind of missing the boat there. •••• someone off at a bar, you're risking a punch in the nose. Here you can say anything you want behind the black veil of "anonymous" without any fall out, especially considering there are at least 5 different people using anon. Any decent discussion, argument, debate needs guidelines/rules/walls to the sandbox. In this case, one person has a free pass, a portable hole. Yeah, just words. nah I better not get started. | ||
| Sarodude |
Look... We are supposed to TRUST the BadWeB custodians who are PRIVVY to anony identities. I've been helped massively by the type of interaction that certain anonies have had here. Can't we just be done with this topic? Other boards are run differently and can be visited by those not liking Blake's policies. I think, however, that we'd all just be better off staying here and trusting in the judgement of the custodians. -Saro | ||
| Reepicheep |
The offending post was removed a long time ago. We all agree it should have been moved sooner, and will do so in the future. Thanks, but let it drop. If anyone wants a disclaimer inserted into an anonymous post to clear up any misrepresentations made where they are a principal, send one of the custodians your clarification and a link to the post, and we will see that it is added. | ||
| Tripper |
Relevant discussion | ||
| Snail |
Some of you are missing the point, or ignoring it. Anon.'s posts have extra credence because of his special status, he is a quasi agent of both Buell and Badweb, so to use his special status to insult people isn't a level playing field. An insult has gone unanswered, deleting the post doesn't exonerate Anon., nor does sweeping it under the carpet. Identifying himself and apologizing would be the appropriate action to end this. Anything less is a cop out. | ||
| Bomber |
Sanil -- I'll readily admit that some folks are, in fact, missing your point -- no doubt about it. It's likely that you are missing the points made by others. it ain't my house -- I'm willin' to live by the rules as posted, and, more importantly, as they are applied (which is more important, IMO) . . . but that's just me, and I wouldn't expect others to feel the same |
