| Author | Message | ||
     Spiderman |
OK my final exam/project for introduction to design and drafting is comming up in a few weeks. I have to come up with a design and some research as to my design and weather or not there is a need for said product. I am designing a full face helmet that is better apt to street riding and freeway riding, specially for naked style bikes without the advantage of a higher windshield. It will also have better ear protection and venting. OK On with the questions. 1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? If there are any question you feel weren't covered or suggestions feel free to add. Thanks | ||
| Rek |
1) my helmet bouinces the most when I am following another vehicle at speed (at or above the posted limit. 2) yes and no 3)no 4) ??? too amibiuous of a question 5) YES!!! Rob | ||
| Tramp |
1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? well.....being that I don't exceed the posted speed limits....  seriously, though, turning my head in my shoei, at speeds in excess of 80-ish, is scary Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? what?...could you please repeat that? yeah- my helmet's silly loud 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? not me, but i know a lot of people who would like that 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) it would attract me, very likely, BUT: remmeber that any helmet shape that's more aerodynamic, when facing fwd., is going to be more dangerously windborne, when your head is turned 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? sure- who wouldn't..... If there are any question you feel weren't covered or suggestions feel free to add. strange as it might sound, a helmet with more removeability of it's padding, in order to effect easier cleaning (i hate, after showering, to put the skanky, sweaty helmet i just rode home from work in, back on my head, when i go out at night) maybe one which actually has removeable, extra fabric bonnets over each pice of foam inside, for washability and interchangeability. alos, a more updated, heat resistant outershell would be kickass Thanks | ||
| Prior |
Tony, Very cool project! 1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? Yep, especially when you pass rigs. 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? Yes, no 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? Cool option, probably wouldn't use it a whole lot. 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) Probably attract. 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? All of my helmets have about as much as I can use, if not I turn my head. It would be a great thing to have though! See you in a few weeks in Wisconsin (again). | ||
| Grndskpr |
Let me preface these answers by saying i wear an Arai XD helmet and think its the best helmet i have ever owned, i have also in the past owned sumoey HMC Bell and a few others 1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? Yes because it has a visor, so no getting around that, dosent start until about 80 or so 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? Head phones with music so DNA 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? Yes but they would have to be good ones i could hear above 80 MPH 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) Not in the least, but if its just for looks, it wouldnt serve, there would have to be something that made it shaped that way, or a reason for its shape 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? Yes, but not just side to side, maybe up and down, maybe just a larger opening overall as long as it was still safe If there are any question you feel weren't covered or suggestions feel free to add Material choice for the liner coolmax or some fiber that absorbed sweat and was removable Maybe a built in Heads up unit Maybe built in Comunications Maybe i am asking for to much Hope that helps R | ||
| Whodom |
1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? Not a lot 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? Always, yes. 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? Don't care. 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) I like non-standard shaped helmets. 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? Not a biggie, but a little more would be nice. | ||
| Frausty12r |
I'll bite, Helmet HJC-CL14 Amazon 1) Yes, mostly in the turbulence of proceeding vehicles. 2a) Yes 2b) nope 3) yes and no, depends how comfortable they are and what kind of noise reduction/cancellation system is in place. I'd rather hear nothing, than wind distorted music. 4) Depends on the graphics/look/saftey 5) yes (maybe a built in flip down monitor hooked to a lipstick camera mounted at the dorsal area for a rear view)  (actually thought about something like it myself, but it was more along the lines of a headsup display on a transparent silkscreen.) | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
Sounds like a fun project:-) 1. I don't find that my head "bounces around" a lot. Riding a Lightning, I do find that a more aerodynamic helmet with a spoiler on the back like my KBC VR-1 reduces the amount the helmet is pushed back on my head at 100 mph +, especially compared to the fatter HJC CL Max flip up model. 2. Don't wear them, don't feel the need to. 3. Sounds like a good idea, but personally, it isn't something I feel the need for. 4. I would be open to a different design. I like the Roof helmets from France: http: www.roof.fr You might want to take a look at them if you aren't already familiar with them - very original designs. 5. I would like more peripheral vision, I find it a bit limited on my KBC VR-1. I feel the problem of proper fit still remains unresolved, especially when it comes to fitting different shaped heads: round versus long oval for example. I think a measurement system that takes proportion into account as well as circumference would be a good idea. Perhaps a simple system of cardboard templates could be designed to assist with fitting. Another aid to proper fit could be a thermosetting liner that would work by having a sort of expanding foam that could be set to expand while the helmet was on the rider's head, thus producing a perfect fit. Finally there is the problem of putting on a helmet when the rider wears spectacles. I usually use wear a flip up full face helmet around town just because I can put it on with out taking my glasses on and off all the time. I do hope you will post your design. I am a designer myself, (architect), and very interested in this kind of project. Please feel free to email me your preliminary design if you would like some feedback. I used to teach design:-) | ||
| Henrik |
1 - 3 + 5; Yep 4: possible, but I'd be open for suggestions. Cooling/venting as well as face shield fogging are 2 big issues for me. Grounder had some good points about choice of materials etc. I've up until now worn Arai Quantum helmets. The coming season I'll be trying out a new Shoei X-11. If you were to look for a real revolution in helmet design, you should dig up some research that was mentioned in Motorcycle Consumer News about redesigned impact protection. In short this old fella came up with a design that put a soft shell on the outside providing quite an improvement. Story was, that he can't get anyone to manufacture let alone research his design. Henrik (Message edited by Henrik on August 09, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
a heads up display is eventually going to be in all streetbike helmets. spides- be sure to include it immediately in your design. my ex was the heads up project engineer for the aeorspace firm manufacturing them for the commanche. what she did was remrkable. i always marvelled that we'd have 'em on streetbike lids, soon enough. i don't even have a speedo on my sled, so i wouldn't really be a target customer, but it will change everything..... | ||
| Tramp |
oh, sh*t- spidey- take some tech from ski racing, here- use thermofit (reg. tm) liners...that's when you have your foam liner heated up, then placed over your head (used in ski boots, over the foot) to get a perfect fit...if it's too hot, a cast can be made of the head, then the foam can be formed around it. it's all done with the lining already in place on the foam. there's also injection foam molding (first big in '69, in ski boots) for a perfect fit, as well. my boots still have their thermofit liners.... | ||
| Spiderman |
I thought about the HUD but a few problems exist with it that I do not want to solve at this juncture. 1 Linking the HUD to the bike for speed, tach, etc. 2 Power for display and weather it should be cordless or not. IE Bluetooth 3 The most important thing, getting it set so the HUD and the road are both in focus at the same time. I already have incorperated a removable liner along with pads that are diffent shapes for better fit, IE cheek pads, etc. | ||
| Tramp |
i have a buddy, owns a helicopter company, big BMW -riding tech-head, who was trying a startup to do just th- hud in a m/c helmet. didn't sound too difficult. i'll put you in touch with him if you like. good guy, not a bs-er. lemme see if his GS is parked downstairs, if not, i'll snag his e-dress off my email list | ||
| Tramp |
he's not parked out there, i'll fetch his edress. i can put you in touch w/my ex (still a very close friend) but she can't talk too much about it, she knows what she can and can't comment on, though. i am shooting you my buddy (guy w/helicopter co.)'s ph.#. he's a good guy and a VERY avid motorcyclist. he'd be happy to discuss it. (Message edited by tramp on August 09, 2005) | ||
| Jlnance |
2 - Yes I wear plugs and it is still farily loud with the plugs in. 3- I don't need speakers per se, but it would be cool to have some speakers for an active noise cancelation system. Then I wouldn't need the earplugs. Google for that if you don't already know what it is. And you could still use them for music too. | ||
| Mbsween |
Spidey, Current helmet is an Arai Quantum F 1) no, unless I'm passing through a bunch of 18 wheelers 2)yes, the Arai is one of the louder helmets I've owned. Any thoughts to an active (wind) noise suppression system, assuming such a thing is even feasible ? 3) some interest, but not a decision maker 4) no if it worked well, and was quieter 5) More vision is always a good thing And any way to get rid of fogging without adding a second layer to the shield would be a good thing (Message edited by mbsween on August 09, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
the more vision the better. my eyesight's not great, but my vision is excellent | ||
| Swampy |
1 Only when behind a larger vehicle. 2 All the time, and it is still very loud. 3 Depends if I would be able to hear it or not. 4 Fit and noise reduction I woud wear a metal bucket if I could get both. 5 Most helmets of today are fine | ||
| Blake |
1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? In clear air, no not at all. No flyscreen, no turbulence. Following behind another vehicle, yeah, some. 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? Yes. Wind noise is bothersome but the Shoei is quiet in the realm of most helmets. 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? Maybe, not sure. 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) Probably would detract from it for me. Not sure though, would have to see it. An aero design a' la tour de France headgear would not appeal to me. 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? Maybe, though I don't recall ever thinking about wanting more. | ||
| Phat_j |
look into the shields that auto darken with sunlight..... | ||
| Wardan123 |
Dude it is hot in SW FLA! How about a full face helmet with a bicycle helmet's vents/design? I know noise would be an issue and turbulence - unles a breathable/washable membrane covered it. | ||
| Frausty12r |
Not to hijack the thread, but the relay from the bikes speedo to the lid could be uhf radio transmitted. Theres not much info to be sent other than a cyclic change in frequency that corresponds to the rate of speed. Also, getting the HUD in view of the road wasn't quite my intention, it was more or less going to be "ghost" image just to the right of your forward facing view. You'd still be able to glance at it and view it, but it didn't hinder your sight of oncoming debris/traffic/roads.. Since your peripheral vision is basically your brain "guessing" at whats there ie colors/shapes/patterns, it would be oblivious to a dim hud unless you focused on it. One main thing thats kept me from designing one, is funds, and location of projector it would have to project top to bottom or vice-versa as from side to side you run the risk of it being a glare for the opposite eye it was intended for. | ||
| Loki |
Just a point for ya to consider. Question 3 is loaded and would require research into the various state laws regarding it. Current choice is a HJC AC-11 1-only have a minor problem when getting a little to close to the really big or extremely boxy stuff 2-yes / no, it is quite comfortable with my choice of 3-yes, I believe most of the HJC stuff is designed to accept their audio line with no major mods for the speakers to fit. Which also increases the noise level in said helmet 4-already not a fan of some designs out there now. 5-at this time not a factor. My AC11 is excellent in this respect. I would rather have to put my head in a minor swivel mode to help alleviate target fixation problems. PhatJ hit on the idea, auto tinting to the ambient lighting levels Powered exhaust fan for venting? My only complaint with the AC11 is the venting. Its effectiveness is dependent on position and you can tell. Built in Noise Cancelling set up? | ||
| Littlebuggles |
1 No 2 Ear plugs on the freeway only and just for long dist riding. 3 Would LOVE built in speakers (assuming good/superior quality sound + prev mentioned better outside sound damping features) 4 ? Aerodynamics is cool – Arai’s look more aero than others, is this what you mean? 5 Yes - inspires more confidence to be able to see more. heads up sounds cool, cost, weight, bulk, power supply? -Mike | ||
| Kcfirebolt |
1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? No up to 75 or 80; Yes beyond 85 (HJC AC-10) 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? Yes to ear plugs. I use Autocom with speakers and music, but a lot of road noise still creeps in. Without ear plugs, I'd be deaf by now. 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? Yes if the speaker placement was slightly adjustable to the individual ear. I had to fiddle with the autocom speakers quite a bit on the verticle axis, and I had to build them up to move them closer to my ears. 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) It would attract me}. I like different shapes (Roof Boxer and Venmar are good examples) 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? Yes | ||
| Oldog |
spidy I wear the hd branded hjc-symax some thoughts winter exhaust riders breath, but keep the air around the head, summer good enough closure to keep rain from beading INSIDE the shield. so fit, better sealing, ventalation, noise control, and the self darknening and good luck with your school project.. | ||
| Jprovo |
Cool Project Spidey, I hope it goes somewhere! 1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? No, just a small ammount in heavy traffic 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? Yes, and It's still noisy, but not loud. 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? No. 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) It would attract me, and I think I would prefer something drastic. Like the front of a Simpon Bandit, and the rear of an "old" Buell/Bell/Feuling square backed helmet.... It would be cool, especially if it worked. Anyone have pictures of the old squareback? 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? Yes, at lest I think I would even if I don't actually need it. I think the the Bandit is supposed to be good in that respect. Scorpion has some pretty good liner and anti-fog technology. Veypor has a HUD, maybe the'll donate one to you to build it into the helmet you are designing. | ||
| Smoke |
Shoei-buell 1.buffeting when turning head at higher speeds for interstate lane changing. 80-90 2.earplugs always, relatively quiet 3. dont need speakers 4. fit is more important than shape. strange shapes for no purpose would be a downer for me 5. better vision characteristics in all weather conditions would be a plus. auto darkening on two lane roads at night with oncoming traffic may require some experimentation. my night vision officially sux and oncoming traffic pretty much blinds me. good luck spidy tim | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
mbsween reminded me of one of the biggest problems in real life: fogging. Don't have it in the summer of course, but I really hate in when it gets colder. | ||
| 12r |
1 Do you find that your head bounces around a lot on the freeway at or above the posted speed limit? My head bounces ? Err...no 2 Do you wear ear plugs, and is your helmet loud with the plugs in? I like to hear everything, all the time 3 Would you like built in speakers in your helmet so you can plug in a helmet or comunications device without alteration? You gotta be joking ! 4 Would a helmet that is in a shape other than the standard full face look turn you away from it or attract you to it? (nothing drastic just made to be a little more aerodynamic) The fit and finish is most important, I don't really care what it looks like 5 Would you like more peripheral vision? My eyes are the limiting factor, not my helmet |
