| Author | Message | ||
     Hans |
Source CNN: The sunken Russian submarine has been cut free by the British robot and surfaced on its own power. The crew could crawl out without help. Hurray.  Hans | ||
| Thansesxb9rs |
Didn't even hear about this, when did it happen? | ||
| Mike748 |
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/07/russia.sea/index.html | ||
| Court |
I've been watching that hourly and talk about GREAT news! Ever since the Kursk (sp) the Russians ask quickly! Pleased it all worked out, Court | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Evidently the Brits cut them free. Good job by a great country! Score one for the good guys. | ||
| Tramp |
two great countries. i've been obsessively following this one, as well. huge relief. | ||
| Bluzm2 |
I too have been following this story. I'm VERY pleased to hear it had the best possible outcome. I may have followed it more closely than most as I am the very proud father of a submariner. Stories like this really spook me...... Brad | ||
| Ray_maines |
The story that I read earlier this morning told all the details and included this quote: Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov, who went to Kamchatka to supervise the operation, praised the help provided by Britain and the United States. "We have seen in deeds, not in words, what the brotherhood of the sea means," he said. I’m not a sailor and don’t know what this Brotherhood Of The Sea might mean, but the more positive things we do with and for other people the better off we all are. These Russian sailors and their families will always feel more of a Brotherhood Of “Mankind” toward British (and hopefully, American) people than they might otherwise have had. Cool! | ||
| Outrider |
You just have to love a happy ending, eh? I just thought it was neat that the Russian's didn't hesitate asking for assistance this time and that the UK, US and Japan all responded so quickly. Makes you wonder about China since they bought up the bulk of the USSR's Naval Fleet. Did they consider themselves Geographically Undesirable to respond in time or did they just resort to their usual "We're the best, so screw the rest" attitude? Sorry, having done business with Taiwan and later China for over 20 years as well as working directly for two Chinese corporations, I am negatively biased where they are concerned. | ||
| Chainsaw |
7 for 7, a beautiful thing! I was a bit upset when the US did not immediatly send help to the Kursk. What was not widely reported, is that we had a sub monitoring the area, and they heard the explosion in the sub (which was helpful when the Russians accused the US of ramming the Kursk). We automatically assumed no survivors. I think we have the technology to have an air dropped rescue sub. I know I've seen footage of an aircraft dropping a crewed M1 Abrams a couple of feet off the deck, gotta be a way to do the same with a mini sub. We have enough bases around the world to have a very quick deployment window. | ||
| Loki |
Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System (LAPES) is one thing when landing a load on the dirt. Water adds several layers of dynamics that can not be accounted for. LAPES is best for the beans and bullets deliveries and making them somewhat pin point. Minimizing the risk to the delivery system. It can and has gone horribly wrong when dropping a tank. To air drop a mini sub? One would need to think like regular air drop from altitude. Like landing the old Mercury/Gemini capsules. Then I couldn't imagine that ride down.  (Message edited by loki on August 07, 2005) | ||
| Court |
That'd be the ultimate "pucker maker", being drug out the ••• end of a C-130 in a mini-sub. But, it would be a chance to show precisely what the word FAITH means.  Brad - I work for an ex-submariner (USS Alexander Hamilton). Bear in mind that a submarine is little more than a power plant with a propeller. He's one heck of a guy....one I'd be proud to be with when the chips are down. Best to your son. Court | ||
| Tramp |
actually, it's routinely done, guys. the craft is unmanned in the dz/lz, the crew is dropped separately. crew consists of jump-qualified froggies. gonna have to trust me here. | ||
| Loki |
I tried out my faith over the jungle in Thailand. Nap-o-Earth in a Pave Low (MH-53J) on a full tilt boogie. Sitting on the ramp legs a danglin. Small pucker factor = the first time they let you (the mechanic) do a FAST rope. Tramp, Never said it could not be or never was. There are limitations to the size though. Some of the toys (used loosely here) are quite amazing. Who would think of stuffing two Little Birds into the back of a 130 along with the FARP 'quipment. I still get a kick out of the video of them landing a 130 on a carrier. "Look Ma, No Hook!" | ||
| Loki |
btw: If ya can't tell. I the kinda guy who would rather...."screw my way around the world than suck and blow" | ||
| Lowlife |
Glad that those guys are ok. I read on MSN.com that the crew were rescued by a remote-controlled British vessel, which was actually operated by American personnel? Anyone know if thats true? Every time I catch a reference to a Russian sub, I'm reminded of "K-19". Has anyone seen the movie "K-19: The Widowmaker" (with Harrison Ford)? Its on AMC every once in a while. For whatever reason, that is one of the most captivating films I've ever seen. It makes you think about each facet of a nuclear-powered sub; politics, weapons, armageddon, radiation poisoning...you know, all the warm fuzzy stuff. | ||
| Tramp |
i'm lost- didn't think i was refuting anything, just pointing out that the cans are unmanned when shat and splat. | ||
| Jon |
As the Brit's say "Here come the Americans" (for better or for worse), now we'll have to say, "Well here come the Brits"! I have been known to "rag" (no offense to any Sikh Buellers) on the Brits from time to time, but I happen to be extremely of them right now. | ||
| Loki |
I read a little to deep whilst being distracted  | ||
| Tramp |
i do the same thing, tone loki. jon- i believe us yanks were saying 'well here come the brits' about 230 years ago, and the russians said it 50 years ago (Message edited by tramp on August 08, 2005) | ||
| Bomber |
very cool news, and very much cooler cooperation -- wouldn't it be aces if this kinda thing were more the norm? the wing-wipers (term of affection, btw, for those who may be wondering) are sooooo good -- ask em to put the load right in yer back pocket, and they'll do it, ever time! 130 on a Carrier, Loki? I just GOTTA see that! Outie -- I didn't know that the Chinese picked up much of the Russian Fleet, but, since the Russians had not equipment capable of affecting such a rescue (never did), the Chinese couldn't have bought it from them -- | ||
| Tramp |
yeah- i don't really see beijing as having a well-equipped rescue protocol. they tend to practice eating their wounded and moving on.... | ||
| Outrider |
Tramp...Ahhh, The old numbers game in reference to the lack of regard for human life, rights and the opportunity thing. Bomber...Bingo on the Russian's never had deep water sub rescue equipment. I spaced on that point. Still, the Chinese attitude towards Russia after the Nam era leads me to believe that they would only help out if there was some geopolitical gain for them. | ||
| Loki |
Bomber, just for you brother.        This particular plane is now at the Naval Air Museum Pensacola. | ||
| Tramp |
won't see any C5s ondeck | ||
| Bomber |
HOLY LANDINGGEAR, Loki! Wow! thanks fer posting those pics! phew -- I thought I'd done all the silly things possible (and them a few) in a 130 -- I was, once again, wrong wrong WRONG! those are some brave dudes! both in the aircraft on on the big-assed boat! phew -- gonna go sit quietly fer a minit, and contemplate that feat | ||
| Loki |
I like the super short take-off roll. Airborne well before the end of the deck. | ||
| Tramp |
remember, the c130 has some very nice brakes | ||
| Bomber |
and THAT C130 likely had flat-spotted tyres, too! | ||
| Loki |
- I have ridden the bubble in the forward hatch - I can be sound asleep before the bird reaches the end of the runway - I have been hung from a seat belt in a jump seat(in back) during one excellent bank-out on take off. Look forward out the window and see nothing but sand, twist about and out the other and nothing but blue - TF'd through a valley where all you saw above you was green - Stepped up onto the deck, turned around and went and sat back down. All I saw was the belly of the tanker that was giving us go-go juice. - Won't travel without my ball hammock - pissed on several major population centers - tossed my cookies after we landed and before I got off the bird. Chalk that one up to the steak and slimy eggs on the gas stop in the Azores. - watched for haystacks spitting bb's at us - been on a both sides of a 53 getting gas, as in on the 130 and 53 all this as a tool box toter. |
