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     Cataract2 |
... Rules of Gun Fighting (Marines; Army; Navy; Air Force) 5 May 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USMC Rules For Gun Fighting Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring their friends who have guns. If you can, make friends with those on the crew served weapons. Bring them as well. Borrow money from them, it gives them an added incentive to protect you. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive. Only hits count. Close doesn't count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.) If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived and who didn't. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating (calling for arty or air support), reloading, and running. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting is more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket." Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty. In combat, there are no rules, always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose. Have a plan. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work. Have a back-up, back-up plan in case CentCom or SecDef finds the first two plans "unacceptable". Use cover or concealment as much as possible. The only visible target should be in your gun sights. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect your flank. Don't drop your guard. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else, keep your hands where I can see them). Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get. Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with a "4." Army Rules for Gun Fighting See USMC Rules to gun Fighting. Add 60 to 90 days. Hope the Marines already destroyed all meaningful resistance. Navy Rules for Gun Fighting Adopt an aggressive offshore posture. Send in the Marines. Drink Coffee and eat donuts. Air Force Rules for Gun Fighting Kiss the wife goodbye. Drive to the base in your sports car. Fly to target area, drop bombs, (try not to hit the Canuks) fly back to your home base. BBQ some burgers and drink beer in your back yard, and talk •••• about the Navy, Army and Marines. | ||
| Cereal |
Off we go into the wild blue yonder... (Message edited by cereal on July 20, 2005) | ||
| Rockbiter1 |
Actually, I just finished a 2 day AF course designed to give us a thumbnail idea about what to do if you have to defend your base, your priority resources, or yourself. This included Army style squad movement, challenging and inspecting vehicles and individuales, IED/VBED identification, RIFLE FIGHTING(yea, WWII style smack them with a rifle fighting, bayonet not included) and stuff like that. The Air Force is assuming more and more Army duties, like guarding convoys, base defence, etc etc. Seems everything that comes around goes around...we were part of the Army 50 years ago, and evidently, someone wants us to rejoin them... No disrespect to Army folks (quite the contrary in fact), but I REALLY do not enjoy getting up at 4 am to fall out for mandatory PT... | ||
| Cataract2 |
Guys, it was a joke and just that. | ||
| Seanp |
We do NOT want the air force - we only want the A-10's. Thanks!  | ||
| Bandm |
Dateline- Washington D.C. The Pentagon announced today the formation of a new 500 man elite fighting unit called the US REDNECK SPECIAL FORCES (USRSF). These North Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Tennessee boys will be dropped into Iraq and have been given the following facts about Terrorists: 1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus. 5. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the death of Dale Earnhardt. | ||
| Buell_less |
 The first four are just rules of engagement. Number 5 will really get 'em riled! | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I got a kick out of "Don't hit the Canucks" | ||
| Awprior |
Aren't they all still on horseback anyway? Kidding!!! Newfie, When you get a chance, can you email me what you might know about the Memorial University and their graduate engineering programs? I've got the catalog, want a first hand view. I already know the town is WAY too much fun for me... Might be a visitor for a few years in the future... | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Wouldn't that be fun Alex, You over here with your bikes??? I could start a BRAG club!!!! I know my brother-in-law attended there and recently finished his masters and even farther. I know that lately there is an awful lot of interesting sights on MUN Campus too. I have to drive by there every day to go to work. Memorial University You should talk Mike's Son into comming over as well, I know he had a good time here!!!! | ||
| Chasespeed |
Hey, I dont eat donuts  | ||
| Blake |
What about the Coast Guard?  | ||
| Charlieboy6649 |
In the absence of the US actively engaged in a war, I truly believe the USCG sees more daily combat than any service. Love those shots of the CG helicopters shooting .50 cal rounds across the bow of a drug running speeder! A ship is not responding, it just came from a third world country and is blazing toward port. I'm not sure I would want the job of the boarding party that must go clear it. Go CG! | ||
| Genesisclimber |
Donuts!!? A "gun" is large bore direct fire and artillery. Rifles, carbines and machineguns are what the infantry use. And and in the Army, we embrace the enemy! I should have joined the airforce. | ||
| Ryker77 |
"Move away from your attacker" actually during an ambush. The squad will attack the attacker. Full fire and drive toward them. Sounds stupid but an ••• load of accuarate fire power with a squad advancing will scare the •••• out of the enemy. 3rd award Expert -- all 3 three time on the range. Last time I shot 10/10 on 300yd rapid fire.  | ||
| Impulse_101 |
Too bad the Marines never got past the frontal assault in the tactics book. I was much happier knowing that I'd jump in behind them and kill quietly when they are not expecting it. LGOP=Little Groups Of Paratroopers, a history lesson. After the demise of the best Airborne plan, a most terrifying effect occurs on the battlefield. This effect is known as the rule of the LGOPs (Little Groups of Paratroopers). This is, in its purest form, small groups of pissed-off 19 year old American paratroopers. They are well-trained, armed to the teeth and lack serious adult supervision. They collectively remember the Commander's intent as "March to the sound of the guns and kill anyone who is not dressed like you..." ...or something like that. Happily they go about the day's work........ It was good work when I could get it.... JT} } | ||
| Bomber |
converstaion I had in a watering hole in Cho Lin (many moons ago) I noticed the gent on the next stool had an odd-looking patch on his fatigues -- upon closer inspection, I realized it was a Coast Guard device (my Dad having been a Coastie in WW2) "I didn't know you guys were here . . . whadya doing?" "Poop-for-brains -- they gotta Coast, don't they?" I bought him a beer. ;-} Stay A LRRP Stay Alive (standing a little straighter and sucking in mygut for just a moment) | ||
| Light_keeper |
}Coast Guard Rules for Gun fighting Take Marines to Beach Wait around for them to finish Provide flags if needed Bring them back alive to the ships Listen to all the BS from everyone else.  | ||
| Cataract2 |
I give many props to the Coast Gaurd for the WW2 work. They certainly helped change the war by keeping our supply lines running and coast line covered. Many cool stories out of that. Love also listening to my Grandfather talk about his work in WW2. He was a coder and code breaker. Amazing the history you can get from those generations. Friends Grandfather was in the Navy during it in the Pacific. | ||
| Moxnix |
WW2 Historical footnote: Almost every landing craft in every Marine assault in the South Pacific, Iwo, Guadacanal, Saipan, etc., was piloted by an enlisted Coastie. | ||
| Light_keeper |
SM1 Douglas A. Munro USCG The only Coastie awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. Gave his life at Guadalcanal 27 Sept 42 during the evacuation of 500 US Marines trapped on the beach. He placed his boat between the enemy fire and the evacuees. | ||
| Newxb9er |
The brown water Navy. Funny thing is, they don't get much credit. Most of those guys do more work in the gulf than I did down in Sonar. Our job in the gulf was making sure the "Depth Finder" never lost track!! Oh, and dropping BT's every watch. Like the last 20 years of ships didn't already do this? Oh, some of the junior Sonar Techs got to man the .50 cal and be a part of the force inspecting ships. Never very exciting! | ||
| Tramp |
branch descriptions are way too generalized by popular culture and media. every full-of-himself vet i meet out in taverns brags about being an ex SeAL, recon, SF, etc. why no mechanics and cooks? don't ex-mechanics and cooks like to get out for a pint of suds? roughly 16,000 support personnel per SOF soldier, but none of THEM seem to leave the house... next time some "ex-SeAL"  is sounding off in your local watering hole, do what I do- take your shirt off and ask him to square it away for inspection. chances are, he can't. hey- just ask him what his MOS or his rating was... I'll bet you don't get a fast and plausible answer. If someone says he was a combat infantryman, ask him what mos# that is (11bravo)...chances are, he can't answer it. whenever someone answers a question about their past duty with "If I told you I'd have to kill you"...I tell them they just told me by saying that, and that they were likely in the motorpool spinning wrenches, so please- try to kill me. I am so tired of all the wanna-be coulda-been green berets sounding off, anymore.... we don't get many 'ex-SOF' sh*tslingers around here any more.... | ||
| Aesquire |
My Uncle Rob was a muleskinner in Merrill's Marauders. Burma, WWII, for you kids. Marines. We took him to a local airshow, he enjoyed himself, quietly, until we got to a P-47 Thunderbolt. He perked right up! Talking to the pilot, he said the Thunderbolt was the most beautiful plane in the world. Particularly when the Army Air Corps pilots were dropping 500 lb. bombs into the ditch infested with angry enemy soldiers, across the dirt road from the ditch he was holding a mule & a Springfield. In no time a fair sized group of pilots were gathered around this slight Nebraska farmboy, and I heard stories I Never heard in 40 years. | ||
| Chainsaw |
...just ask him what his MOS... I've done that VERY thing. It does shut guys up pretty quick. Makes a guy claiming military experience look freakin' stupid when he doesn't know what MOS stands for, much less the number. not that I have any military experience other than taking the ASVAB | ||
| Tramp |
aesquire- that was beautiful to read, man! | ||
| Impulse_101 |
I've seen more than a few fake vets or masqurading active duty guys who are adding more to their uniforms than they have earned. I see them in airports all the time, I even caught a guy from my unit with a NEW Ranger tab while on leave, I know that he never even passed CLC.You can usually tell by something on their uniform that is out of place or incorrect. I never needed to say that I was SF or anything else I was proud enough to be a Paratrooper in the 501st. Not too many Arctic Paratroopers walking around so that was good enough for me. (still wish I would have gotten that Ranger school slot though) JT (Message edited by Impulse_101 on July 21, 2005) | ||
| Tramp |
the 501! which bn? I knew a guy who did qm detail w/the 75th and actually tabbed himself out. moron. the rainier boys didn't let that go too long... also seen a guy or two who had skate details in the 11th SF (reserve unit) who never got anywhere near SWF school, who actually wore green berets because they were, technically, serving with the SF. And do NOT get me going on all the fake SeALs out there. I tore a budweiser off a guy's cutoffs three years ago, his club came and asked me about it, and I pointed out that it would be the same as some stranger wearing their m/c patch. guy stuttered out some stupid explanation and apologised. in the bigger, more infamous m/cs there are many actual and verifiable SF and SeAL vets. | ||
| Bomber |
the phenom Tramp illustrates nicely is common in many walks of life -- there were, despite fairly accurate counts at the time, 5.73 Million people attending Woodstock (the first), enough Viet Vets to make the names on the wall representative of only 0.00002% of the active military population in SEAsia, and, according to the posts on, say, Chicagoland Sport Bike dot Com, all those guys could beat Dr Rossi, if a manufacturuer were only smart enough to give em ride . . . . people often feel their lives are not an interesting enough story -- sad, ain't it? and very often untrue | ||
| Newxb9er |
It's the people that don't talk about what and where they have been that you know have seen some stuff. We had a manufactures rep. claim he was in Cambodia doing special ops. and killing people with his bare hands. BS!!! You wouldn't brag about that. The only time those guys talk about that stuff is when they are with other guys that have been there and can understand. |
