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Moxnix
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:30 am: | 
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At some point the blunt nose dolphin fairing on an RR may tend to lift the front enough to effect steering, though "probably" not in LSR at less than 215-220 mph. Turbo Hayabusas regularly hit 240-250 mph at Golian & Maxton, but experience more downward force via front shape & front fork winglets marketed to them.
In streamlining, slippery is what counts. The so-called "Charlie Toy" front and rear enclosures are arguably the quintessential low drag motorcycle aerodynamic bodywork for LSR.
Lots of people make big h.p. Suzuki did the heavy lifting at the Hayabusa factory and turbocharging them is a cottage industry. Buells have the Harley handicap to overcome of "underhead camshafts driving bumpsticks." Make an air cooled Harley motor go really, really fast, now that's an accomplishment. If it takes glasswork & the Cal Poly wind tunnerl to do it, so be it. Dick O'Brien oversaw the original streamlining at a time when there was no H-D money for building better motors. Fiberglass was cheap. Buell appears to have had the same advantage: Not enough money to afford the luxury of doing it wrong.
From the Matrix--
Trinity: No one has ever done this before.
Neo: That's why it will work.
The only time I'll 'prolly ever be in his proximity, I told Eric Buell that what he has done is significant. And thanked him, which was met with a puzzled look. So, I did not tell him my shock that an engineer (as opposed to a designer--ISDA membership not withstanding) could right brain enough to create such an event horizon in American sport motorcycling. History will recognize the significance of what Buell did. |
Smokedaddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:52 am: |
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Court
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:13 pm: |
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>>>you're telling us that body work for the RR1200 specifically and the RR1000 is available with just a simple phone call?
That, as YOU WELL KNOW, is inaccurate...but, I'll play along.
However, the last 7 times folks here have pissed and moaned about Buell parts, each and everytime they have been in stock and in large quantity.
The latest exampled the "obsoleted XB wheel bearings" were found to be sitting, all 450 sets, on a shelf awaiting shipment.
MANY parts for the RR1000, RR1200 and RS1200's are available through a separate company, EFB Designs.
MOST (yes, it's a qualifier) owners of "older" Buells have been quite surprised by the availability of parts.
I suspect that eventually there wil be RR bodywork as no vehicle, 2 or 4 wheeled, yet manufacturer has equalled the Buells low Cd. This has made the RR bodywork desirable and created some demand. When it gets beyond racers and the numbers make economic sense, the market will demand it.
I am still kicking myself, as are Aaron and others, for letting that "Brand New - Still in Buell shipping Crate" set of RR-1000 bodywork go on e-Bay a couple years ago.
Questions?
Court |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:22 pm: |
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I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SIMPLE!!! I think molds would need to be pulled off an existing bike to for at least some if not most of the 1000/1200 parts. It could be done, we know people who could do it.
How much money do you have? |
Firemanjim
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:37 pm: |
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I'll through in some hard earned cash---
200 mph is calling my name. |
Bud
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 12:40 pm: |
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How much money do you have?
dead broke ( but happy )at the moment
but that's a good thing otherwise i was bidding on the RR 
someday... |
Cataract2
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 01:52 pm: |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there a race team for the FX series that was going to use the RR body work on their FX bike? |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 03:00 pm: |
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Rather than look at it as "how much money is one willing to spend," it might be, "what is a fairing manufacturer willing to do it for?" Re-popping take-offs requires no design work. Sometimes there is a mysterious cost to consume every dollar in your admitted budget. Think poker face. There's a drag race bodywork co in Akron that does carbon fiber, too, would understand duplicating original thickness at attachment points for proper fit. I forget the co, but asking "pat@3aces.net" might get a response.
Did SD sell the DS RR? Is the "buy it now" feature still functional?
FMJM, do you run an aftercooler on your turbo bike and what mods would you have to do on bodywork or plumbing to fit it all inside an RR enclosed fairing? |
Smokedaddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 04:41 pm: |
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Smokedaddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 04:48 pm: |
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Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 04:48 pm: |
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I'm always slightly surprised at the HP race that Japan Inc has started in the MC world, without the slightest attention being paid to aero concerns -- stylists (MC/auto/Truck) seem to have little if any aero training (short of shaing the drip rails from their products) -- most of the Amtrash trains going through my neck of the woods are likely more aero than most race reps sold by the big 4 --
ah, well, I'll add it to the list of things I don't understand (including the Kamm Tail on hardtop Cobras)
;-} |
M1combat
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 05:10 pm: |
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Are you talking old Cobras? If so, it's most likely to disturb the air so that anyone following can not get close enough near the brake markers to make a pass...
It's certainly the wrong way to do it, but they didn't know that back then. |
Bomber
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 05:18 pm: |
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M1 -- yep, old timey Cobra Coupes -- I was under the impression that the Kamm Tailed cars were very aero, but, hey, what I don't know is big, and growing daily --
also, note that the time isn't quite as pertinant as might be thought -- as far as bikes go, little has been gains since the old Cal Tech/HD days with Cal Rayborn in the saddle -- |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 05:52 pm: |
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SD-
I may come to Scottsdale this summer to drag home a used tire testing machine. If so, I'll check to see your DS RR status if it's okay. If the tire test machine is still $125K, I'll ask for a 11% discount & spend the savings in your garage. |
Smokedaddy
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 01:58 pm: |
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Karl ...
Sure, anytime.
-SD: |
Jb2
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 05:22 pm: |
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I've held a few of those unobtainable windshields with my own grubby hands. I have also spent many late nights getting intimate with RR bodywork by stretching and reshaping it to fit a lengthened S2 frame while staying true to the designers lines. Look at the photo on the NRHS site with the bike at WOT and look at the vapor trail coming off of Timbo's helmet and how clean the air and salt is coming off the bottom of the bike. Whether this bike is going in a straight line or around a corner it rocks! Regardless of rarity and availability it was built by hand and ANY part on the bike could be duplicated if needed... and if you knock on enough of the right doors it can be bought. |
Mmmi_grad
| | Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 09:35 pm: |
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yeah take a picture and just make it yourself |
Moxnix
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:51 am: |
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"and if you knock on enough of the right doors it can be bought."
The part, the bodywork and mounts, or the bike? |
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