| Author | Message | ||
     P0p0k0pf |
Not my auction... just a nifty bike! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4543844309&ca tegory=6704 Jason N. | ||
| Henrik |
He cut the fairing!!?!! Oh no ... Nice bike though. Henrik | ||
| 99buellx1 |
I would have modified the exhaust before modifying the body. | ||
| Jeremyh |
those have got to be the most disgusting thing i have seen. Don't get me wrong i like buells just not that. | ||
| Anonymous |
Fairing looks unmodified to me. Sorry you don't like it Jeremy, but that fairing is responsible for many land speed records; the RR1000 was built for go, not show. | ||
| Davegess |
Jeremyh, there a few here who might disagree with you. This is very much a form follows funtion bike and the funtion was almost flawless. You can get part of the story here http://www.davegess.com/buelhist/rr/index.htm | ||
| Ingemar |
the RR1000 was built for go, not show. And this one doesn't seem to have gotten what it was built for. I don't care how "collectible" that "item" is, I think it's a damn shame it sat in an office for more than 10 years and it has got less miles in 18 years than I put on my XB in 6 months or even less. Tell ya what, donate it to me I make sure it will get what it has missed the past 18 years.  . Now did someone say ugly? Don't you know that beauty is imminent when function nears perfection? | ||
| Sleez |
one of the most beautiful 2 wheeled creations EVER!!! | ||
| Josh_ |
What are the rules for "vintage" races? Does the RR qualify yet? Wouldn't that be a blast! Maybe newer brakes and tires tho... | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that bike STILL the most aerodynamic ever produced? | ||
| Smokedaddy |
Ingemar, I understand what you're saying BUT when you can't buy parts for it anymore, especially body parts, I think you'd have a different opinion if you owned one. The bodywork on the RR1000's is really thin compared to the RR1200's too and both are know for cracking at all the stress points. If you rode the bike as you would a typical bike, it would physically look like $hit in no time, just due to all the body parts rubbing against each other and removing the paint, not to mention everything would fall off it in no time. I'm always loosing the cap screws to my bodywork and I rarely drive mine more than a couple of miles a week. -SD: | ||
| Jeremyh |
i know what it was built for, it just seems boring......sporty bike....straight line.....boring in my mind. Sorry i like curves and style not antiques and drag racing on the salt flats. | ||
| Jeremyh |
lock tite the blue kind for them bolts that fall off | ||
| Smokedaddy |
Have to buy it by the gallon then. -SD:>  | ||
| Blake |
Straight line??? It'll do fine in the curves too! It was built to race on the track, not at Bonneville. That was an idea someone here came up with, that someone else embraced, added nitrous, and with a lot of help from friends ran with it past 200mph for the first time ever with a 100" air-cooled pushrod twin cylinder engine. There is a photo of it front and center on the August page of the BadWeB Calendar! Court, time for some calendar fines? ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) The frontal pic obviously taken with a typical wide angle lens makes the aerodynamic windshield look way bigger and more bulbous relative to the rest of the bike, not very complementary. The side shots do it better justice. | ||
| Anonymous |
Jeremy, It was built for roadracing, I just mentioned the aerodynamics for the speed they helped deliver for the straight sections on the track. The bike handily won the AMA twins class championship it's first year, then the AMA changed the rules from a minimum of 50 built to a minimum of 200, due to the Ducati racers complaining. You also should have seen the lead the first one had built over the factory Ducatis in one lap when Gene Church tossed it away in the first turn at Daytona. | ||
| Jeremyh |
still doesn't get my heart pumping, i don't know maybe i am just too young and into newer styles to like that thing. Besides how many people yo know that ever get the chance to ride 200mph on in the city regularly. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Hey, I'm 22 and in awe of that bike. Erik did an amazing job on that. Wow. Just wow. | ||
| Court |
>>>>but that fairing is responsible for many land speed records That's a NEARLY accurate statement, but I'd offer that it MAY be "Most V-Twin Land Speed Records" and I'd defer to Mr. Aaron Wilson, but there are few records that the Buell is eligible for that it doesn't have. Prior to the Buell (let me digress here for a moment and say that the bike handles superbly enough to have embarrassed all comers when it went roadracing. We, of Team Elves, simple took advantage of the aerodynamics to send Moto Guzzi and BMW packing) the bulk of the twin records were held by Moto Guzzi and BMW. Both Moto Guzzi and BMW had fairly "well developed" sponsorship. The Moto Guzzi guys claim "we just folks" but, when pressed, confess that MG North America anted up the bike. The RR bodywork is what the Hayabusa wants to be. Please don't misread that. I am in awe of the Hayabusa. I am also quite aware that the Hayabusa is distinguished as being one of the few "slick looking" bikes that actually approaches, though it falls well short, the RR in terms of REAL aerodynamics. Sub-ballistic aerodynamics is not achieved by doing the "speeding bullet" type of design. That works well if you are supersonic. Aaron, knowing him, may have to deal with that someday, not yet. The design of the RR was true "clean sheet" stuff. The one design constraint was "what is best?" "What will sell?” "what is trick?", none of that commercial nonsense entered the equation. Wanna spin the dial to hyper wonderment? Come with me for a minute. People had been trying, constrained by closed minds telling them "make it look like the tip of the Lone Ranger's bullet" mindset, to do exactly what Erik did. Some had HUGE budgets and carte blanche'. Big budgets sometime beget small thinking. Erik came to the party armed with about enough money for a week's groceries; in fact it probably WAS the money for a weeks groceries, and a dream. At the time, Erik was a fool. He was driven by being the best, making something absolutely perfect. He was completely out of touch with the concept of selling the thing. To him the "have to sell 50" was a racing hurdle to be overcome, not a calling to print brochures, hold BattleTrax events and create sales. Perfect aerodynamics. How to make the bike, within it's mechanical limits, go as fast as it could AND handle as well as it could. He succeeded on both counts. The work on the aerodynamics preceded the days of nanosecond mathematical calculations. Erik started with a gift of intuition, tossed in a pinch of engineering skill and spent hours toting an old computer home at night in the trunk of a beater Audi. He had, with less money than it would take to fly me from here to LA, to do what vehicle engineers hadn't done. I'll stop with the history or you won't buy the book. By the way, how he tested it may be the best part. For now, picture yourself as the smart-assed Hayabusa (again, this is a reflection on the •••, not the Hayabusa) who pulled alongside Richard Nallin and quipped, "I just laid down a 186, what'd that Buell do?" The "I'm backing up a 202.989" quickly ended the conversation and had the Hayabusa moving about as fast as it had moved that day, away from Richard. To you the Buell may be ugly. Take one more look. Think that every single curve, shape, joint and edge on that bike is thought out. What would you give to have your Chevy that well thought out? It, to rob a phrase from the "fitness for purpose" folks, was built to do what it was intended to do better than anyone ever had. Like the Buell bicycle that shortly followed (and shocked the world in the World Downhill Championships in Italy) it succeeded enviably. Fact is, like the looks or not, the stage was set to bring you some of the most amazing products ever designed (note the intentional omission of the word motorcycle from that sentence). Buells are designed. Buells ARE designed. Steve Anderson, likely now tired of me loosely quoting him, called the Buell "more driven by engineering than any other motorcycle made" (Steve, correct me as needed). Buells are engineered. Buells are engineered. So, in the eyes of the beholder, the RR1000 may not be the pin-up on your garage wall. But, if it hadn't been, there would likely have been no S1 White Lighting, no Red 1996 S-1 (major lust object), no shapely S-2 Thunderbolt and no (how many innovative, "first ever" engineering features can you fit in 52" XB. I think the A-10 Wart Hog is the ugliest thing to ever lift off a runway. I love it. Court | ||
| Doughnut |
By the way, how he tested it may be the best part. Damn it Court, share! And I second the A-10 Wart Hog. | ||
| Henrik |
Fairing looks unmodified to me. The eBay ad mentions he cut the fairing to make room for the new SuperTrapp exhaust 's all. Henrik | ||
| Firemanjim |
Henrik,go to your room--- | ||
| Cluckcluckpush |
i think it reminds me of a Ducati Paso from that era. | ||
| Rex |
Very nice bike....Would be cool to see a limited edition modern buell, produced with similar bodywork.....limited edition....REX Court.. ..I got the paramount buell bike.... | ||
| M1combat |
"I understand what you're saying BUT when you can't buy parts for it anymore, especially body parts, I think you'd have a different opinion if you owned one." That's an extremely accurate statement. I'm still looking for a good used white fender for a '72 Mach-1. White because the REST of the car still has original paint... | ||
| P0p0k0pf |
Perhaps I'm an unorthodox 24 year-old... the RR1000 is a gorgeous bike. I'm a fan of form following function. I'd tolerate sneers and snickers from the know-nothings with a smug grin on my face every day if I could buy that bike. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
All I can say its still one of the best bikes ever produced. Jeremy only for the work and engineering gone into the earlier Buells your XB may have never existed. I for one absolutely love my 98 Billet Metallic S1 and its a bike thats going to be around a long time. When I can afford a RR or RS I have to figure out a way to bring one into Canada to ride. That is a bike that needs to be ridden, as for parts I am sure if you needed them they can be obtained somehow. Thanks Anon for educating the younger minds here on the board. Keep up the great work. | ||
| Steveshakeshaft |
If I could buy that bike and ship it to the UK, it wouldn't take me a single nano-second. | ||
| Court |
>>>>parts I am sure if you needed them they can be obtained somehow. With a heck of a lot less problems than you might think. Best story.... several years ago Aaron RR-100 #50 WORLD SPEED RECORD HOLDER was on display at the Indy Motorsports gig. During loading, unbeknownst to Aaron, it was dropped and the windscreen broken. I got a frantic call and even I was calling Gustavson and other manufacturers looking for a replacement. Out of a combination of desperation and curiosity, I called the factory and talked to UNITED STATES MARINE TOM ANGLIM, who said "yeah, we got three. How many you want?" Assume nothing. Court | ||
| Moxnix |
From designer Tony Foale (tonyfoale.com) on motorcycle aerodynamics, misc. articles link: "Even with a Kamm tail a conventional bike is difficult to streamline really efficiently because of the various cutouts needed for practical reasons, such as getting on it and putting one's feet down when stopped etc. Improvements can certainly be made though, against most current emphasis the place to start is at the rear of the machine, the flow around the high pressure areas at the front can reasonably well take care of themselves, but anything that smoothes the flow at the back and helps reduce the size of the wake would really be beneficial. In fact many pointed front shapes would produce less drag if turned around . . ." Bonneville does not care how heavy a motorcycle is. Fast bikes add weight to chassis and swing arm to lower Cg. Stock RR1200 bodywork with the winkers, license bracket, etc. removed could be slightly more slippery (faster) than RR100 road race trim as supplied. A "bigger" rider may improve the airflow behind the huge (but efficient) XRTT style windshield, but not so with a Hayabusa style smaller cockpit. Did Smokedaddy not sell his DS bike? |
