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     Grndskpr |
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000039&sid=aYHpBPYvNLFA&refer=columnist _levin Textron Inc.'s Cessna division said it expects to conduct its first test flight of the Citation Mustang small jet plane this year, with certification possible in 2006. The six-seat Mustang also will be powered with Pratt & Whitney engines. Oh you said Ford opps sorry R | ||
| Reepicheep |
DasBuell... I am 6'2", and (unfortunately) about 235 pounds right now. The XB9SX fits me like a glove. Which is much more then I can say about the SV-650, that was the bike I thought I wanted before I stumbled across my M2 Cyclone. The SV is a terrible fit, I am way too big for it, and my knees don't fit in the tank flare. (Message edited by reepicheep on February 26, 2005) | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
Do you really think that a Buell inspired sport bike with a trick fuel in frame aluminum space frame, mass centralization, mono shock rear, perimeter braking systems and kick ••• looks couldn't be built in the 475 lb range? Take a look back at the VR1000 for your inspiration. Exactly...they made it work in a "superbike" lord knows it would work in a street bike. if you claim to have seen multiple Buells with Revo motors, Bus or Harvey or perhaps EB as you are sometimes known  Never claimed to have seen "multiple" Buells with Revo motors..only 1. Like I said before "Nobody in corporate would ever admit they are working on one at the moment...hell think what might happen to sales of current XB's if people found out Buell was going to release a kick ••• Revo powered bike." | ||
| Jlnance |
I am 6'2", and (unfortunately) about 235 pounds right now. So am I. Wait, are you saying that I'm fat?  | ||
| Ray_maines |
Double post: Sorry (Message edited by Ray_Maines on February 26, 2005) | ||
| Ray_maines |
You guys better stop bashing HD or my friend Dan is going to yell at you! And NO they did not make a new M2! Eighty five may or may not be enough HP but the XB is only about 2/3 the size of a proper bike like the M2. | ||
| Midknyte |
What I don't understand is why [some of] you guys insist that we need a Touring model Buell. (Ok, I can a little. We'd all like to see how Erik would do it.) But honestly, don't you see Buell as the sportbike wing and HD as the touring wing? Those who want a touring Buell - do you not consider a mothership variety? | ||
| Anonymous |
Ray, Go ride your Triumph. If you are satisfied with it, then good. You are easily satisfied. The XB9SX has a wheelbase 2.5 inches shorter than an M2. If that makes it 2/3 the size of a 55 inch wheelbase bike, be happy with your math and your Triumph. The XBs fit full sized people with full size minds. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Ray, not trying to pick a fight here, and not trying to argue with an opinion you are fully entitled to have, but have you ridden the 9sx? It feels many things, but small is not one of them. The only real measurable and functional impact it has between it and my old cyclone was that I had to put a smaller tail bag on the 9sx. If you subtract out the space taken up by the number of tools I felt the need to carry when travelling on the M2, it comes out a wash. That even includes riding two up, my wife said she was every bit as comfy on the 9sx as she was on the Cyclone (though she is a pure "run across town" passenger, not interested in long trips). Again, I am not trying to argue with anyone, just giving a datapoint that the 9sx is hard to appreciate without riding it. | ||
| Anonymous |
Ray, Go ride your Triumph. If you are satisfied with it, then good. You are easily satisfied. The XB9SX has a wheelbase 2.5 inches shorter than an M2. If that makes it 2/3 the size of a 55 inch wheelbase bike, be happy with your math and your Triumph. The XBs fit full sized people with full size minds. | ||
| Court |
>>> the 9sx is hard to appreciate without riding it. That's an inaccurate statement. The Buell XB9SX CityX is IMPOSSIBLE to appreciate without riding it. The ill-informed, light of mind and keyboard bound decry it for it's hand guards. Thanks, in fact THANKS, to the hand guards, I am off to do a "stupid people trick" on an XB9SX. Back in several hours. I love riding motorcycles. Sure, I get a kick outta taking an I4 winding it up to 11,000 in the parking lot of Sonic and bragging that last week I did 185 past a Trooper. But for lust and love, eventually you get to a Buell and eventually purists reach a pleateau called "CityCross". This, you see, is what the consumer FUN bike was MEANT to be. Back in 5. Court | ||
| Ceejay |
keep on bashing my first true love the M2, as it sits lonely in my garage waiting to be shoed and taken out dancing. Those XB's when they first came out I sat on one and it seemed to dissapear, felt like riding a magic carpet-good, forgot I was riding a motorcycle, looked at speedo after touching the front wheel back down and found out I was doing 80 hit 130 before I realized that I was indeed riding a motorcycle, not a magic carpet, very nice bikes. My father-old harley rider swears that my M2 is the best bike he has ever ridden, my wife says it carries her much better than the so called touring bikes with all their chrome and flash, I like it for what I can do to it, but for pure fun I don't think you will ever be able to be a 9r, might even part with a few dollars some day and get me one. | ||
| Cataract2 |
6'00" 280lbs and I fit the XB9SX way better than the R6 or R1 (go figure...) Anyways, I'm not a small boy. | ||
| Ingemar |
I don't feel like reading this whole thread (obviously gone astray), but to answer the question in the subject line of the thread, NO, I don't want a V-Rod engine in my Buell. If it does come in a future buell, fine. I remain sceptic until I see one and ride one. | ||
| Kevyn |
Nah, I really don't want the revo motor in Buell. I've been out riding the S2 and as much as I really like it for its handling qualities and the strength of the old heavy 'sporty' motor, I'd be thrilled with some newer technology like FI, a lighter frame, peppier motor, improved ergonomics and the shear simplicity, tractability and durability of the CityX. Go look for yourself. The fit and finish of the new Buells' is better than the competition. They are well thought out and through. I wonder why Ducati is using the air-cooled 1000 Dual Spark motor in it's Monster, SuperSport and Retro-bikes? More displacement, improved combustion, improved flow characteristics, lighter weight, improved HP and torque and simple reliability...yet it still meets European and California emission and noise requirements through the present decade...so too the Buell motors. I'll hang in there with Ingemar and remain skeptical...but if Erik ever roll's it on-stage, I'll be paying closer attention. Interesting discussion. I'd like to ride a CityX, the new 636 Ninja, the 650 Triumph Daytona, the Honda 600R and the Suzuki 600GXR and the Monster and Multistrada 1000's just to see how it all sorts out. The Multistrada folks are raving about the '05 S model...ergonomically it's larger than the CityX but has similar handling and power characteristics...and there is really no drive to put a liquid cooled 4-valve twin in there...same agruments---weight and complexity without a commensurate advantage. | ||
| Sandblast |
No, not in my M2. Yes, I would like to see one in A Buell. I would also like to see Mr. Buell be allowed the time and energy to build Buells around a variety of engines including jet, electric and, hell with it, nuclear powered ones, shrunken down though to fit an XB frame. I'll take mine in the new '05 Blue with the atomic energy engine and throw the handguards in also, since it might not ever stop raining here in Southern California... | ||
| Ray_maines |
Reep says: (talking about the smaller luggage capacity of a XB) "If you subtract out the space taken up by the number of tools I felt the need to carry when travelling on the M2, it comes out a wash." You're probably right about that. In spite of my memories, the M2 wasn't actually perfect. It just seemed that way at the time. Court says: "The Buell XB9SX CityX is IMPOSSIBLE to appreciate without riding it." You're probably right too. I should take another look at that bike. It just might well be the next M2. Anonymous: Put a sock in it. If you can't put your name on it, don't bother to say it. | ||
| Captainkirk |
Ray; read between the lines. "Rules of Engagement" don't ALLOW him to put his name on it.  As for the "Revo" Buell, this is an area of intense curiosity to me. Who would want to stuff a big, UGLY-a$$ water-buffalo motor in a nimble little ballerina like the XB? I'm sure anony & crew are working on designs and ideas WAY beyond our scope of reasoning. Look at the technology leap from my M2 to the XB series; there's about 15 years of hard R&D packed into 3 years in my estimation. I, for one, am still totally engrossed with my M2 but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate the technology leaps that have morphed the tube frame bikes I still wake up dreaming about in a cold sweat into the techno-razors being built today. I just happen to think the tuber's give off an aura of "bad" that todays bikes are missing the boat on. I do believe the ends will meet and sooner than later we'll see a "newb" frame buell that looks as bad as it rides. BUT IT WON'T BE POWERED BY AN UGLY-A$$ WATER BUFFALO MOTOR!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Ethanr |
Regarding average male height/weight in the U.S. according to the National Center for Health Statistics: Weight = 180 lb Height = 5'9" Hardly the 240+ claimed. Who're you hanging out with? Regarding the actual subject of the thread, I probably wouldn't have bought a Buell with the Revo. I passed up larger (even just slightly larger) bikes with more HP because I found the XB simply more fun to ride. | ||
| Sportyeric |
Last month's Cycle World, with its article about the Buell competing at Daytona, said that it cornered faster than the 600s but lost ground at the end of the straights. Seems to me that's a good set-up for riding in the real world. (That you would lose with the weight of the V-Rod engine.) | ||
| Kevyn |
...the same article hinted at possible motor changes to overcome or at least to minimize the 'end of the straights' XB disadvantage... Daytona is going to be very exciting racing!! | ||
| Nedwreck |
I knew I wanted a CityX the first time I laid eyes on it and I couldn't even get it off the sidestand. I'm 5'3" tall with a 28" inseam. You do the math. Corbin sorted the problem, thank you. Wonderful bike. Better than my S3T? At some things yes, at some things, no. I'd still like a definitive answer on why my S3T got 16 more miles to the gallon than my CityX does. To my primitive mind it don't add up. Bob | ||
| M1combat |
Maybe gearing? | ||
| Sportyeric |
They talked about racing as a testbed for reliability. And about the displacement of the race bike. Which suggests to me that the cases are capable of holding up to more than 1200cc. I've never understood why anyone would buy a small engine if they could have a big engine, (i.e. 883 or 1200, well duh, I'll take the 1200!) Except for pricing, insurance classes, and race classes. For Buell, positioned as a street bike, the bigger the better until reliability becomes an issue. That, rather than water cooling, is the key to keeping up on the straights or the street! Insurance around here doesn't differntiate after 1150cc. Gimme a 1400XB and bring on the Ninjas! | ||
| Brucelee |
" Gimme a 1400XB and bring on the Ninjas!" This works for me! I am a big fan of the whole air cooled, made better thing. Question, can they make the XB even lighter? Lighter mufflers, engine and trans materials etc. Imagine a 1400 cc XB, pulling say 125 HP and being 15 lbs lighter? I can and I would buy that in a heartbeat! | ||
| Buell2001b |
Vrod engine is German, Buell is American, no can do man. I guess the HD enginners are not smart enough to design their own engine they have to go to the Germans. | ||
| Budo |
(Message edited by budo on February 28, 2005) | ||
| New12r |
Nothing is made completely in one country anymore, so do we still want to complain? Hondas are built in canada, mexico, japan, and the U.S.. Many other car companies source parts from all over the world, did I not buy my Buell because some parts were made in Japan, No I dont care, I love the bike. Is there a problem with german motors? I hope not, You looked a Porche lately? Or ever for that matter. I do not want a V-Rod motor in my Buell, Have you seen the size of that thing? I will stick with my clean burning air cooled pushrod boat anchor and keep killing the ricers in the corners!! | ||
| Reepicheep |
NedWreck... The S3t engine has a longer stroke then your 9sx engine, and so should have a built in advantage in fuel economy. It probably has a lower drag coefficient as well, due to the fairing. My 9sx economy has been steadily climbing as the engine breaks in. (Message edited by reepicheep on February 28, 2005) | ||
| José_quiñones |
I guess the Buell's Italian made Frame, swingarm and headlights & Japanese suspension and brakes don't count..... Porsche helped HD engineers with the VROD engine, yes, but they do not assemble the engine in Germany. The engine parts are sourced from many countries, including Germany, France, among others. The Vrod is also the only HD/Buell bike that is assembled from start to finish in one Location, the Kansas City plant. Every other HD/Buell has their engines built in one place (Milwaukee) then they are shipped to either East Troy, Wi, York, PA or Kansas City, MO where the rest of the bike is assembled. If you really only want to buy a 100% American sourced/assembled motorcycle, you want a Victory or maybe a custom chopper, pick one. |
