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Zedhead47
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is one of those simple little things that probably has a very easy fix, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. When my m2 is warming up, or when riding it the seat screw that comes up through the tail piece vibrates loose leaving the seat feeling very loose. Is there a common fix for this? Any ideas?
Thanks
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Ratbuell
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Make it tighter?
Use a lock washer?

I'd suggest loctite but that would get in the way when you wanted to take it off...
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Zedhead47
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 05:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yea, I've tried tightening more but then at a given point it releases. Between the seat pan and cushion (inside the seat) it has a sort of washer that it threads in to. I think maybe that washer is stretched? sort of a strange little mechanism. I don't think it's tight enough for locktite to work. I'll keep trying.
Thanks
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Harleyelf
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Drill a hole in the head of the screw and safety wire it. The design flaw is that the heavy part of the screw is below the threads. Gravity makes it loosen. The riders weight constantly shifts, so that means so does the nut the screw is threaded into.
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S1owner
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 06:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The threaded area in the seat widens over time. I managed to bend mine tighter and it helped.
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Jim2
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a steel plate that the captive bolt screws into. They are used on Corbin seats. Instead of being buried down inside the seat pan, Corbin screws the plate to the bottom of the seat pan. I think that these plates can be used to fix the Factory seat but I have not tried it. I think it could be riveted on top. I sent one to somebody along time ago for them to try but never heard back if it worked. I have several that I will give to people if they need it. Direct fit on Corbin seats. Should be doable on factory seat.
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Jim2
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Corbin vs. Factory seat



Factory seat plus new receiver plate



Factory seat with receiver plate in place




Receiver plate order information
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34nineteen
Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2017 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What i did with my M2: I pulled the pin out of the bike put it in the vise and put a small bend in the threaded portion. It would cause the threads to bind, creating a mechanical "lock". Not a lot of bend is needed, just enough to create the bind.
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Zedhead47
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2017 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow what a great response, thanks guys. Jim2 the plate idea is just what I need. I had tried to do a similar fix with a washer, but couldn't find one with the correct thickness. It looks like the solution I'm looking for. I could pay you something, pay for shipping or whatever if you could send me one of those.
Thanks, Steve
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Zedhead47
Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2017 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Jim2 I just googled the part number you have above and it looks like I can get 100 of these babies for only $727.90 haha! Let me know if you have a spare.
Thanks
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Jim2
Posted on Monday, April 17, 2017 - 02:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zed, PM me your address and I'll drop one in an envelope.
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Blks1l
Posted on Monday, April 17, 2017 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is there supposed to be a keeper type of washer that goes over the screw to keep it from completely falling out? That is how my S1 is don't know if they are the same.

Just reread it, I guess you are not loosing the screw, just that it is loosening.

(Message edited by Blks1l on April 17, 2017)
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Zedhead47
Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2017 - 07:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blks1l yea it sounds like it's the same. It's not losing the screw that is the issue, it's the seat loosening up that bothers me. I'm going to try Jim2's solution. Sounds like that may do the trick.
Thanks, Steve
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Resinears
Posted on Friday, April 21, 2017 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have an extra seat with a stripped captive keeper plate that needs to be McGyvered. If anyone has a line on a part similar to what Jim2 photographed, Please let me know!
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Resinears
Posted on Friday, April 21, 2017 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm having trouble posting and will try this again:
My keeper washer is stripped in my good seat, and I would very much appreciate obtaining a replacement that I could try surface mounting on the seat pan.
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Friday, April 21, 2017 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.biscoind.com/Southco/17-10015-14

https://www.southco.com/en-us/09-12-17/17-12-204-1 1
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Resinears
Posted on Friday, April 21, 2017 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks! Unfortunately, minimum is 15 @ $26.60 + $6.00 post, + international shipping charges to Canada. I'll try to uncover something locally before I find out the extra charges amount to an additional $30 (like I paid for the $6 worth of bolts I bought last year.

Appreciate the help brother!
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Friday, April 21, 2017 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Send Jim2 a message ,in his post above the pics he wrote that he has more.
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Zedhead47
Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2017 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Resinears,
I just went on the Bisco Ind. website, the company that distributes this widget and according to their website they have locations in Canada. Seems that maybe you could pick up the minimum there and list them on Badweb for other Canadian Buellers.
Just an idea in case Jim2 has run out.
Steve
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Jim2
Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2017 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have no more. I thought I had more left but I only had 1.
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Imadog
Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2017 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the same issue. I have used Hylomar Blue to some success. This product is called out for several fasteners on the Buells. Antivibration and non hardening. It is a blue goo.

https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-85249-Hylomar-Univ ersal-Dressing/dp/B0018PSATY
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S1owner
Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 09:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fasteners are called a fast lead captive screw. You can find parts online.
Here is one link to help

https://www.southco.com/en-nz/09-12-17
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Zedhead47
Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks S1owner,
I've located a supplier about 5 miles from my house. I'll give them a call this week to see about picking up a few. The receptacle is only 1 3/4inches by 7/8 inch and flat, so maybe they could be sent through the mail in an envelope to other Badwebbers I'll check.
Steve
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S1owner
Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also available on ebay even the screw

Search gast lead captive screw

https://www.ebay.com/itm/252559702270
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Brother_in_buells
Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice catch Ken!

Couple days ago they were sold out!
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Jim2
Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have successfully mailed them in a regular envelope. I first wrap one in a 4 X 6 inch piece of printer or notebook paper. Fold and tape. Keep it flat. This keeps the metal from tearing the envelope if you were to just drop it in an envelope.
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Zedhead47
Posted on Monday, April 24, 2017 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay so here is an update.
I contacted Bisco Ind today and was able to put in an order. The woman in sales told me it would be about a week before I receive them. I'll keep everyone posted.
Steve
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Jim2
Posted on Monday, April 24, 2017 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.dbroberts.com/locations.asp
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Zedhead47
Posted on Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - 07:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Okay, so I probably owe everyone who may be interested in this thread an apology for taking so long to post. Anyway here is the deal. I received 20 of the fast lead captive screw receptacles just like the picture that Jim2 posted. The cost with shipping came out to $1.99 each and the Post office is going to charge .70 because it can't go through the normal sorter. So I have 16 left for anyone interested you can either send me $5.00 through Paypal friends or donate the same to Badweb. I figure if I get a couple bucks back I'm okay with that. And if Badweb gets a few bucks for support that's cool too because if this site wasn't here I wouldn't have gotten a solution to this problem.
Thanks, Steve
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Resinears
Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2017 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought I would chime in here: I had ordered a set of these through the ebay link S1owner posted, and they arrived yesterday. Unfortunately, they are too small, so don't make the same mistake based on this ad.

Thanks to Steve, the correct size is in transit to me.
Big thanks to Zedhead47 and Badweb!

Cheers,
Jeff
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