| Author | Message | ||
     Buelliedan |
"Anyone know anything about Lee's Speed shop in Minnesota?" Never heard of them. There are only a few shops that truly specialize in Buell performance. Most shops treat Buells like red headed step-children! NRHS has been doing it a long time and has probabaly done more sets of Buell heads than all other shops combined. (Message edited by buelliedan on November 13, 2014) | ||
| Phelan |
Jeff I'm sure there's plenty of quality shops out there, just not as many that are as vocal and involved on the forums. While I am certainly biased, I'm sure you can find a shop in most any state or country that can do what you're looking for. The advantage of a shop like ours is the knowledge and feedback from doing hundreds, maybe thousands of heads, cams, bores, etc in various purpose builds. Dan stocks something like 10 different shape pistons just for 1250cc builds. We can also do stuff like custom head welding for raised ports, combustion chamber repair, stud extraction, etc. | ||
| Phelan |
I was ninja'd! | ||
| Jefc73 |
Hahahaha! I have talked to Dan. Today as a matter of fact. Told him to give you a slap in the head. lol. jk. Just getting as much info as possible to make the right decision is all. You guys and Hammer are at the top of the list. | ||
| Phelan |
He'll have to wait until tomorrow as I'm off today!  BTW maybe I'm showing biased here again, but I've never had good come from using a hammer on my bike :P. (Message edited by phelan on November 12, 2014) | ||
| Splatter |
"NRHS has been doing it a long time and has probabaly done more sets of Buell heads than all other shops combined." I heard you've only been doing it two years and before that you farmed it all out. | ||
| Phelan |
Dan worked on my S2 back in '08 and my Sportster back in '07 so I can promise you what you hear isn't always what is. (Message edited by Phelan on November 12, 2014) | ||
| Splatter |
"Dan worked on my S2 back in '08 and my Sportster back in '07 so I can promise you what you hear isn't always what is." Phelan Nrhs was formed in 2006 just as a store front with the web site and inventory they bought from Nallins but no machine shop. They farmed out all their machine shop work and head porting to the company that bought Nallins machines and cnc porting. Then a couple years ago that company got pissed at them and cut them off so then Nrhs had to go buy equipment and learn how to port heads themselves. So its not exactly honest to say Nrhs has been doing this a long time and has done more than anyone. Its only true if you count all the years they farmed it out and all the years Nallins ported heads which Nrhs didn't even buy that part of Nallins. | ||
| Phelan |
I know the history just fine thank you, but it's not that straight cut. The CNC for headwork was still inside the shop in '07 when I first came here and the jobs still ordered and communicated as needed, and plenty of back and forth over the years. It's not like he was just a vendor ordering from a web portal. Just because Dan payed someone else in the shop to do it doesn't mean he didn't know anything about how to do it himself. I've known Dan a long time and he has a lot more history than just NRHS. /end (Message edited by Phelan on November 13, 2014) | ||
| Buelliedan |
Splatter, You really should know your facts before you start spouting off like you know everything. NRHS has been around since the early 2000s but with 3 different owner. What do you think the N in NRHS stands for? When the NRHS store front and the machine shop were split up they were still located in the same building. This arrangement lasted for over 7 years. Most folks who visited had no idea that we were 2 different owners. they thought we were partners as everything was done under one roof. But the person who now does the headwork for hammer was NOT the person who was doing it when it was split up. Dan Norlin bought out that guy around 2009 with my influence as I was not happy with his quality of work. Then until 2012 he was the exclusive contractor for NRHS, doing heads to our specs. Yes it is true in 2012 he went off and formed his own company which is now hammer. NRHS actually started doing our own in house headwork before they relocated to ID. It was NRHS who stopped using them not the other way around. So please do not act like you know anything at all about what really went down as it is obvious you do not. Not sure what your beef is with me, as by my records you have never been an NRHS customer, but it is obvious that you like to act like you know everything about my company but instead you are really clueless. (Message edited by buelliedan on November 13, 2014) | ||
| 4speeder |
There is a lot of good info here in this post. Thanks to Splatter for launching the intellectual challenge, and thanks to Bulliedan for accepting that challenge and providing some great informative info. This board is awesome! | ||
| Jefc73 |
I think its great to have the true info out so everyone knows what the story is behind the people and the companies. This way there is no confusion or he said she said stuff. With that said I don't care who does my headwork etc. All I care about is that the job is done professionally and top quality work. When parts are assembled and motorcycle is fired up and ridden the bike should run really strong with no problems. And....if there are problems with parts..not from assembly, then said company that did the work should make it right for free. One last thing...Not only should the work be of high quality, but remember I said professionally. That goes for customer service as well. Cause in the end your business is only thriving because of the customers and if the customer isn't happy then... well... Ok so back to the engine build thread. LOL | ||
| Jefc73 |
And for the record straight.. I have talked to Dan at NRHS and Dan at Hammer and both have been very professional, very knowledgable, and straight forward. and...neither has said anything bad about the other. | ||
| Splatter |
"NRHS has been around since the early 2000s but with 3 different owner. What do you think the N in NRHS stands for?" Maybe you should argue with the state of Co cause they tell a different story: Nallin Racing closed 10/24/2006 and Nrhs was formed 8/24/2006 and theres no Nallin in the name of your company see for yourself: https://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/ViewImage.do?fileI d=20061422754&masterFileId=20021281006 https://www.sos.state.co.us/biz/ViewImage.do?fileI d=20061348863&masterFileId=20061348863 "When the NRHS store front and the machine shop were split up they were still located in the same building. This arrangement lasted for over 7 years." Stretchin the truth again Dan cause I know for a fact Norlin moved his shop out of the building in 2010 and 2006 to 2010 is 4 years not 7. "Most folks who visited had no idea that we were 2 different owners. they thought we were partners as everything was done under one roof." This is good at least you admit Nrhs wasn't doing the head work it just looked that way to the outside! Good to see you start telling the truth. "It was NRHS who stopped using them not the other way around." The way I heard it you asked Norlin to do a set of heads for your race bike and he knew you'd just keep taking credit for his work so he gave them back and said no I'm done. But I wasnt there so ok. He also told me all about the other reasons he started Hammer and didnt want to do work for you any more but I won't go into that here. "Not sure what your beef is with me, as by my records you have never been an NRHS customer, but it is obvious that you like to act like you know everything about my company but instead you are really clueless." I'm not the one whose only been porting heads two years but came on here and claimed to port heads a long time and to have done more heads than anyone. Face it Dan your stretchin the truth with that claim and you know it and your just mad cause you got called out. Its only true if you count all the years you farmed out your head work and all the years Nallins did heads even though you never bought that part of Nallins. | ||
| Fxdrydr |
Hey Jeff... got me a new Dremel! Bring those heads on over and I'll get ya all fixed up! | ||
| Buelliedan |
Splatter, Like I said. You have no idea what you are talking about and I am not going to argue with you anymore. You are more than welcome to give your business to hammer if that is who you desire but do not come on here and act like you know all the ins and outs of what has happened with NRHS over the years as you do not. As you said it was the "way you heard it" Consider the source. | ||
| Phelan |
Steve, NRHS used to stand for Nallin Racing Head Service. NRHS dropped the elaboration when Brian was bought out, as they wanted to only be known as NRHS at that point, which is what many knew them as anyway. Dan said that's where the N came from. He never said it was still in the name. And Nallin was gone from the company when Dan stepped into the picture. (Message edited by Phelan on November 13, 2014) | ||
| Buelliedan |
Ross, Please don't respond to him anymore. it is obvious he has some kind of vendetta against NRHS so it is not worth the typing to respond to his misinformation. | ||
| Splatter |
I don't know what your so spun up about since the facts aren't really in question here I don't think. you started Nrhs in 2006 about the time Nallins closed up you bought the web site and inventory from Nallins but not the machine shop and porting machines someone else bought the machine shop and porting machines from Nallins (doesn't matter who) they shared a building with you for 4 years while doing all your heads for you then they moved out in 2010 and started a new company and in 2012 stopped doing work for you you started porting heads your self in 2012 You and Phelan can try to spin it all you want but the above is the facts. So when you go braggin how you been porting heads so long and have done more than any one else your really stretchin the truth cause it wasn't really you it was the company before you and then the person who bought their machines and they stopped doing it for you 2 years ago and you've only been doing it your self since then. | ||
| Phelan |
Pancakes, even crepes, always have two sides. Back to the main conversation Jeff, another thing I just thought of is that depending on the casting of your T-storm heads, you may need shorter push rods once they are machined to properly use the squish band, as opposed to how they were cast. This is because the castings have the squish band start anywhere from 20-50 thou up in the head, so it has to be decked enough for the base of the factory squish band to meet the deck. This obviously causes a jump in compression, but that can be alleviated as well by sinking and un-shrouding the valves to accommodate. | ||
| Jefc73 |
I dont mind a little bump in the compression Ross. Its all good. Whomever does the heads I would expect them to let me know and sell or advise on what size pushrods to use. | ||
| Screamer |
Lee's Speed Shop - I think that may be Lee Wickstrom's - does some pretty interesting knucklehead work... | ||
| Phelan |
After doing a bit of searching, I'm pretty sure Splatter's middle name is Wade. His very first post (Dec 2, 2011) was to talk trash on Dan's Bonneville efforts and all but maybe 6 posts out of 41 (at least of all that I could find, since searching splatter on BadWeb is difficult to pull up the relevant posts) have been to talk trash on Dan and NRHS. | ||
| Hootowl |
FYI - search in 'names of authors' to find all of a user's posts. | ||
| Phelan |
Thanks! Didn't see that portion. | ||
| Splatter |
"His very first post (Dec 2, 2011) was to talk trash on Dan's Bonneville efforts and all but maybe 6 posts out of 41 (at least of all that I could find, since searching splatter on BadWeb is difficult to pull up the relevant posts) have been to talk trash on Dan and NRHS." Depends on what you consider trash. Calling some one out when hes trying to fool people isnt the trash. The trash is braggin and taken credit for other peoples work whether its head porting or bonneville records. Nrhs wants every one to think every thing Nallins ever did was all them cause the name is kinda the same but the truth is its a different company that just bought the store front from Nallins back in 2006 and no one at Nrhs had ever ported a head in his life until 2012. The real trash is also spammin a board with out ponying up for sponsorship something Nrhs got banned from Hd forums for doing and keeps doing here too. | ||
| Kc_zombie |
See what you started Jeff? LOL! | ||
| Buelliedan |
Somebody should tell HD that they are taking credit for other peoples work since the current owners have only been in charge since 1981. How dare they claim to have been around since 1903 right Splatter? Such liars.  | ||
| Splatter |
"Somebody should tell HD that they are taking credit for other peoples work since the current owners have only been in charge since 1981. How dare they claim to have been around since 1903 right Splatter?" But you didnt buy Nallins you only bought the web site and parts inventory and started a new parts business. A different company bought Nallins head porting operation and machine shop not you. Now you take credit for all their head porting cause you shared a building for a while and all Nallins head porting before that cause you named your company kind of the same. And your not even a sponsor here where you told this bragging lie to promote your self. Yes it's dishonest every bit of it. | ||
| Phelan |
Cut the bullshit Aaron. Just as a left handed surgical cuts are unique to right handed and obvious to the trained eye, your posts are to you and whatever alias you think up. Over half your posts are just to trash talk NRHS and sway people away. You talk about Spamming te board yet you do the same thing recommending your stuff but occasionally throwing in other shops to make it not as obvious. And in this whole thread you act like you don't know who bought the "other half of the business" (and even say it doesn't matter who in one post) and say it was Nallin first, but in a post last year you specifically mention Aaron (you). Not to mention BOTH DOCUMENTS YOU POSTED ABOVE HAVE YOUR NAME AS AN OWNER. Jackhammer cams. Are they Hammer cams or Andrews cams? Street glide forks. Are they Harley Forks or Showa forks? Calipers- Brembo or Harley? Wheels HD or Cast Alloy? These were made exclusively, just as the head porting was once exclusive to NRHS. There are facts on both sides of every argument, disagreement, contract, pancake, crepe, waffle, etc. The truth is almost always somewhere in between. But it's hard to believe the "facts" coming from someone who makes an alias to create a screen name on a free-to-join forum or sends out "anonymous" emails to grind an axe with his ex-business partner. Do us all a favor and GTFO. (Message edited by Phelan on November 18, 2014) |
