| Author | Message | ||
     Tony302 |
OK so finally the bike ran for 2 days real good this morning go to start it it starts hits 1,200 rpms and then shuts off.. I tried open throttle nothing it only starts and shuts off with out touching the throttle. took off the air cleaner sprayed throttle cleaner it ran a little longer then shut off again it even back fired once but nothing fuel pump cuts on but i have not dig in deeper yet, until I get some ideas on what to look for.. ok now as to what I recently did until till this problem today.. I took the exhaust off to do a starter but the starter was not the problem put new exhaust port seals on it and like I said it ran for 2 days and now starts off and shuts off as soon as it starts. . | ||
| Harleyelf |
Are there any cracks in your ECM? Have you bypassed the leanstand switch and turned off the fall-over switch with ecmspy? This might be the cam position sensor failing. They usually smell burnt when they go. It's on the cam side of the bike, where points would be on an old bike under the round riveted plate. Drill the rivets out, there are screws underneath. Do not use regular rivets to replace the plate. They fragment and turn to FOD. | ||
| Tony302 |
i'll check that out now I have not bypassed the kick stand switch yet, and I don't have ecm spy or the cable.. I am going to have to invest on one. how much are the cam sensors?? any special way to test it? | ||
| Harleyelf |
You can use the old free ecmspy; just get the cable. Sensors are much more expensive for the X1 than for your M2. Search for threads on the topic. | ||
| Kalali |
Don't mean to sound like jerk but based on all the information you've provided, any sort of troubleshooting (via the internet) is going to be pure guess. And your guess could be as good as anyone else's. First and foremost question is whether or not the CEL is on/flashing. If so, you'll need to find out what the bike is telling you. If not, I suggest you follow the process of elimination between spark and fuel and go down the path in the troubleshooting tree. Make sure you rule out the fuses, relays, and grounds before taking the next step(s). Tell us more what you did recently to the bike so may be something may ring a bell with someone here... | ||
| Tony302 |
Right.....ok well I took the fuel line going towards the fuel filter out. turn the bike on it flows a nice stream of fuel does not shoot it out not sure on as far as pressure if that good or not. I replaced spark plugs it does have spark in it, now as far as taking the tank off to see if the injectors getting fuel I have not done that as of yet. the bike does start but shuts off right when it hits 1k rpms or as soon as I open the throttle or it will not start on wide open throttle . the only way it stays running a little longer if I spray some throttle body cleaner in their. so I am wondering if the injectors are working properly, anyways more then likely i'll be taking it to the stealer ship since I do not have the adequate tools to work on it. | ||
| Phlegm |
you need to pressure test the fuel pump. it should be around 50 psi I think. | ||
| Harleyelf |
Ding! Ding! Ding! You can make it run a bit longer by spraying fluid in the air intake?? It's a fuel flow issue. Your dealer will sell you injectors and a module. Before you buy his module, check out EBR's. | ||
| Tony302 |
Injectors and a module you say. Ebr module is it cheaper or same price as the steamship? | ||
| Firemanjim |
Why buy a module, X-1 maps are easy to get? You need ECM-Spy to see what the bike is actually doing. And check fuel pump pressure, it needs to be about 50 and hold that pressure. Too low of a pressure causes lean running. | ||
| Harleyelf |
Absolutely do not buy a module before verifying that it is your issue. This is an advice forum - "shotgun parts at it" is not valid advice. Your dealer could tell you that. Your dealer's kid sister could tell you that. The EBR unit might not work with your bike, you have the first year of fuel injection. It is more expensive but worth it. The ecmspy cable is about forty bucks and you can use the free program. | ||
| Kalali |
Why pay the dealer when you've already done most of the troubleshooting work.You can borrow/rent a fuel pressure gauge from most auto parts stores if do don't want to buy one. Getting to the fuel pump is not that hard and if that's what your trusty HD dealer finds as your problem, that will set you back at least $500. You do not need a Module (ECM) or injectors. By the way, we assume you've already ruled out fuses, relays and grounds. | ||
| Harleyelf |
Fuel filter. Did you change it or is it 14 years old? | ||
| Tony302 |
fuel filter might be 14yrs old who knows. ill go and change that out too. I got off work early so I will do something to it today. | ||
| Oldog |
Why are you all talking about fuel pumps for an M2? or ecm maps? Tony are you dealing with an X1? or an M2? | ||
| Kalali |
Hmmm. for some reason we all thought you have an X1...If you have an M2 then you need to ignore all the comments about the fuel maps and the fuel pump. | ||
| Harleyelf |
I think he had a '98 M2 when he joined BadWeb, but recently got an X1 which is not cooperating with him as well as he would like. | ||
| Tony302 |
No I have 99 x1 I got rid of the m2 a while back I got a Kawasaki meanstreak and ended up with a bell again kinda wish I stayed with the m2 instead. | ||
| Tony302 |
No I have 99 x1 I got rid of the m2 a while back I got a Kawasaki meanstreak and ended up with a bell again kinda wish I stayed with the m2 instead. | ||
| Harleyelf |
You could always go carburetor. The Keihin will not clear your frame, but a Mikuni will. This allows you to use cheap XL parts like cam position sensor, coil, and module. | ||
| Tony302 |
yeah I really do not want to go carburated just like the bike to fuction how it came from the factory..how ever I changed the filter that was not the issue now I did get a clear filter but it just seems like the fuel pressure is not that good. I did not have enough time to go a get a fuel pressure gauge today so by Friday I should be able to test the pressure out..it just starts hits 1400rpms and dies drives me crazy man. | ||
| Harleyelf |
GET THAT FILTER OFF BEFORE YOU START A FIRE!!! Plastic and glass filters cannot handle 50 psi. You need to take your old metal filter to a car parts store and get a duplicate. Then look in the index for fuel pump threads to see how to diagnose, fix, or replace your pump. The plastic screen tends to crumble and clog the pump. | ||
| Tony302 |
Lets just say its the fuel pump I remember reading some where here how the fuel pump is out of a ford would any one know of a part number or what specific car?? That filter that conect to the pump you say it gets clogged and crumble at times do they sale those? | ||
| Harleyelf |
Even if you could find a gauze filter replacement, the damage is done by the particles already digested. The Ford part is a Mustang fuel pump, search the topic index to get the part number. | ||
| Tony302 |
Will search then..before I even get ahead of my self i still got to do a pressure test on the fuel line, is that pump a direct fit or will I have to modify somethings? | ||
| Mcelhaney14 |
+1 on getting a metal filter and I also agree that you should do the pressure test before suspecting the pump. I'm just speculating here but if the pump is a low volume you wouldn't get a lot of flow when the line is disconnected so your pump may still be fine. | ||
| Tony302 |
I know bout the metal filter I just wanted to see if it was the filter I just got a cheap one..low volume pump ok I thought they all were 50psi?? When ever I disconnect the lines is really not pressured but I know to the eye is different then actually hooking up a gauge and actually testing it. | ||
| Mcelhaney14 |
If it is a low volume pump and you disconnect the line to check for flow it won't seem like it has much pressure since there is no restriction for the pump to build pressure against. It will be nice to see what pressure it is building up to and if it is a low pressure I would also check out the regulator before throwing in a new pump. | ||
| Harleyelf |
Flintstone's check: can you hold your thumb over the fuel line while the pump is running? 50 psi should squirt past the strongest thumb. | ||
| Tony302 |
Well yeah my thumb stays in place and I got a good death grip now. But I should still test the pressure with a gauge but it seems the pump is the problem so far..plus the day before it stop working I ran the tank dry almost. |
