| Author | Message | ||
     Mills1 |
Gday,Here in Oz havent had a look on this site for probably over 5 years.Is there any one about that has had a play with a 100"in a S1.Just wanted to compare notes see what they thought worked and what you got out of it on the road,dyno or track.I'm about to pull the motor out and stick in another frame.Talk soon Gaz | ||
| Buellistic |
There is a "OLD SCHOOL" saying: YOU CAN NOT BEAT "CUBIC INCHES" !!! | ||
| Dannybuell |
$9,599 100" S&S sportster http://www.sscycle.com/product/Sportster/Engines/S B100-Complete-Assembled-Engine-p21207.html | ||
| Rex |
Nice. wow, a lot of money.... | ||
| Guell |
There is a "OLD SCHOOL" saying: key word is old! Its called forced induction | ||
| Buellistic |
Guell: In you frame of mind just what does forced induction mean ??? (Message edited by buellistic on April 16, 2012) | ||
| Road_thing |
There is no replacement for displacement. rt | ||
| Dave_02_1200 |
Forced induction is a way to pack 100 cubic inches of air into a 74 cubic inch container. Or, you can just get a 100 cubic inch container. Either way, more cubic inches is better. | ||
| Azrael_cervale |
Why cubes? I've always wondered, if you can get the same HP and TQ out of a smaller motor why does everyone brag about the cubes. | ||
| Mills1 |
So has anyone had a play with this motor?I built mine 7 years ago,brought it not assembled and back then half that price.At $9599 its alot of money because of what you still have to put in it to ride it.You need to add all the left side of your motor that is everything inside your primary,clutch,rotor,stator and yes primary cover.Your starter all electrics plus more."Complete assembled engine"is a long way from what you get. But anyway they are tougher than nails and being square push out TQ. Azrael what are you comparing in smaller motor that can get same HP? Our pushrod motors are dinosaurs we need the cubes to match the smaller cube bikes like the Vrod and Jap bikes that are water cooled,OHC,fuel injected,run by computers and are also a lot lighter.WE are riding compressor motors basically.Wouldnt have it any other way.    | ||
| Jvv |
Mills1............I had a 95 incher built.....(S & S parts).....maybe 12 years ago.........(wanted over square for faster revs). Best dyno run was 120 hp........can't remember the tq. Had a few teething problems the first 1,00 miles or so...........then some 20k+ trouble free miles. Won 4-5 dyno shoot outs at Buell events. Put a s3t drive pulley so it stayed in each gear longer. It was in an S1.........one of my favorite bikes of all time!!! | ||
| Jvv |
A nasty looking set of pipes!!! | ||
| Azrael_cervale |
I'm comparing bikes like the Buell X1 at 101 HP and 85 torque at 73 cubes to larger bikes like a Road King (which i want) with 67 HP 81 torque with 91 cubes or a Night Train with 63 HP 78 torque at 88 cubes. I always see HD's advertised with their cubes and grizzled old guys whipping around there CI number like a shiny vette. All the bikes I mentioned are 2000 models for easy compare and the numbers are from bikez.com. I am not trying to bash or say someone else's stuff isn't as awesome as the 11 year old bike I love to ride and wrench, I just don't understand the push for a bigger engine when to me the HP and lb/ft numbers are what matters. Admittedly I may be missing a key component here and please tell me if I am. | ||
| Harold |
The Hp numbers you are quoting for the X1 is measured at the motor, not the rear wheel, which is usually around 88. The 120 Hp Jvv was quoting was at the rear wheel. There is also a big difference in the maximum torque a motor develops compared to torque right off idle. In general, the larger the motor the more torque throughout the rev range, which is where we normally ride. The more a motor is built up with cams and such, the more the maximum power is moved up in the rev range, and the more it looses at lower RPM's. This is good at a race track, but less good driving around town. | ||
| Mills1 |
My journey has been fun.And as I said am about to pull the motor out and put it in a purpose built chassis to drag race. Yeah the HP numbers have always been at the motor.Yes mine is a big cube motor and makes 139hp and 135 tq (at the rear wheel)and yes fun to ride.I have been playing with it the drags of late and it then brings so many other variables into play.I have used all clutches built clutches and spent years trying to get it worked out.AS before just wondered if any body was as silly as me and wanted to compare notes.This is the last run I had over 6 months ago before finding another weekness in the bar supports I built.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBbdXgS0QyE&feature =context&context=C47f9104ADvjVQa1PpcFNwE-f-ZdEVJVR n7fyCXY-JSO3NGWwizlw= | ||
| 46champ |
Mills Jeff Bailey had a 100 inch S&S motor in his old land speed bike. The new bike has a 160 inch motor he is an engineer at S&S and usually can be found on the racing forum of badweb. | ||
| Guell |
Buellistic, I'm talking about a turbocharger or supercharger, forced induction | ||
| Littlebuggles |
I haven't heard of a Buell with that much motor, that's a lot of juice. This is my local shops old race X1, they were pretty happy with the motor, though it was only 88 ci in comparison.  Drag bikes always have amazing power, containing the power seems to be the road block; it's cool that you've got a big tractor engine that doesn't blow itself to pieces! | ||
| Jeffb |
The big advantage of the 100" is the torque you can make. I have seen smaller engines that claim to make 120 ish HP, but they are all tuned for the HP big end and are dogs on the bottom or to ride on the street. A 100" S&S makes gobs of torque. Something like 100 ft-lb at 2000 rpm if I remember right The only want to come close to that is with a turbo like someone said. I have ridden a 150 hp 1200cc turbo street bike and it was insane. The S1 chassis was way out matched. The bigger engine will also make the power without working so hard. You don't have to spin it as high or run as aggressive of cams, so durability will be better. I had hundreds of drag passes, about 80 passes at Maxton, 8 Bonneville runs on my 100". It was rebuilt once in that time just to check everything out. The engine now lives in Italy somewhere in a street bike. Jeff | ||
| Mills1 |
Jeff,yeah tq is a pretty cool thing. Forced induction ,supercharged or turboed or nitrous to me is the easy way out on a motor that you just want to bolt on power. Hey that might become an option down the track but why not take our vtwin to the max first then bolt on power. Yep the S1 chassis has served a purpose it is an awesome frame and configuartion in corners and to max of say 110mph without mods in a straight line.But as you go past that it gets a little angry. I stuck my bike on the dyno last month  and found a few issues leaning out big time past 6000 and also some gearing probs I know where there but made excuses for. Anyway motor out this month and into this  | ||
| 46champ |
Nice who made the chassie? Did you buy it as a roller or did you put it together your self. | ||
| Mills1 |
Its a Mike Shultz chassis bought it off a guy in Florida who was building it up he never got it complete or to the track.Its now down under here in Australia and looking forward to finnishing it off in the next couple of months. |
