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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 03:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Welcome to my new $1800 project. '96 S1. I've got a laundry list of things to go through, and I will take any and all information and parts your guys want to throw at me.


Right off the bat I knew that it was missing the front drive pulley. I sourced a used one and picked up the locking washer and and bolts from HD.


Started diggin in a little deeper, found the exhaust is trashed. All the lower mounting tabs are broken, and were left hanging on the studs I assume, therefore breaking off one stud on each head. My local HD has two NOS aftermarket cans that I like, but I need a header. Anybody, have one, let me know!




It had this HIDEOUS breather on it

and when it was installed, the genius previous owner ran a bolt in the 4th hole in the carb and blew out the side of it. Now, it know it runs, but don't know if this damage is a HUGE deal. Any carb experts chime in on this one... can I get away with it like this or does it need replaced? I was gonna pull the carp apart carefully and clean it out, as I'm sure it's gummed up since the bike has been sitting. Don't know if it's even worth the trouble if the carb is shot.


When pullin the carb off, I found this. Anybody know where this was supposed to go? I assume it isn't supposed to be full of black silicone from the factory.


Anyone know if this shock is serviceable?

The high pressure hose between the shock and the reservoir looks to be ground against a cheese grater. Also, the reservoir was zip tied up and the proper mount is missing, anybody have an idea of what I'm missing as far as a bracket goes?



I wanted to pop the cap off the oil bag just to look at the condition of the oil, and it doesn't come off. It just keeps spinning. I can pull on it and it will come straight up about a 1/4", but that's it, and I didn't want to force it. What gives?


And lastly, it's got a pretty sweet set of rearsets on it, but the brake side is a little tweaked from where it's been dropped. Anybody know what these are and if parts are available?


Oh, and did I mention that my father decided to spring on me 2 days ago that we're goin to Daytona Bike Week, leaving March 9th. Needless to say, I've got my work cut out for me. So anyone with S1 parts that I need, or helpful information, it would be greatly appreciated. I know I'm not going to get it all fixed in time, but getting the big bits together would be great. I need to get my hands on a Jim's drill guide for the exhaust studs... Gonna call my local dealer. I think they do free specialty tool rental if you leave the tool value as a deposit, but I'm not even sure of that.

Now bring it fellas! Good news, bad news, anything you've got. I'll take it.

Thanks-
Aaron
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93jrh
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you have a long road in front of you my friend. Good luck
The pegs are american power sports.
I have a used carb for 50.00 if you want it.
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S1owner
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Me and you are going to be good friends i am rebuilding a 96 S 1 also i have been on this sight gathering information like a frog on a fly! The rearset is probably repairable just tweeked if you are by me i will help you! The oil dipstick just pulls out most likely dry try to pu a little oil on it. I do believe that shock is serviceable! That is a hyper charger they are actually very nice i would love to trade for it if you do not want it mine is missing parts!
I have
1 up seat
Rear tail light
Shock mount for the 14.5" shock
Right and left handle bar electrical
Rear master cylinder
Front master cylinder
16.5 shock ( leaker)
Tach and speedo
Rear break line
Swing arm and mount block
Rear axle and tensioners
Maybe more
I will pm you with my email and phone
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Willyboy386
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey ..

On that two wire sensor you found with the vacuum hose (v.o.e.s. switch). this gets plumbed to the nipple on the side of the carb, and is responsible for adding about 10 degrees of advance timing while at cruising speed.. This gets mounted around the top left motor mount on most applications. Some owners remove the factory plug on this to access its adjusting screw to better control when the extra timing is added.. From the factory this is set to ground at 4" of vacuum

Also on the oil cap, this is a plug type assembly, these can be a pain to remove, though can be popped out w/ a screwdriver.



(Message edited by willyboy386 on February 26, 2012)
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S1owner: I'm sure we can trade something, or you can make an offer. It is a bit scratched up, but most of that is visible in the pic. I've got the K&N out of it too. I think that all that you mentioned above is ok on my bike. If I find one of those items is scrap, I'll let you know right away.

Willy: I knew that the small bit of hose came off the top of the carb, but the fat end facing the camera is what is full of silicone. Is it the fat end that is supposed to be plumbed somewhere, or do I need not worry about it?
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Willyboy386
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, On that it is just more or less a screw that is set from the factory and sealed up afterwards, so no further plumbing would be required of this

(Message edited by willyboy386 on February 26, 2012)
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Robinpeck
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 06:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I first got my 98 S1 I was also puzzled by the pop-out oil tank cap...why didn't they use a proper thread on cap?...and its hard to get a grip on the smooth surface with your fingers...texture on the sides would have helped....use a screwdriver....anyway, thats minor...

This post is really just a vote of approval and support...It looks like a great project...enjoy your restoration/customizing.
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

93jrh: I'll prolly take that carb. pm sent.

Willy: That makes sense now. It WAS like that from the factory.

Robin: Thanks for the oil tank info. I just didn't want to force it.

Also still searchin for a header, shock reservoir bracket, pressure line for the shock if it's even available seperately, and whatever else you guys can spot that I need.
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh, and a tank bolt and washer. Need that too. only thing holding the tank on is the seat. I can probably pick one up locally if anyone knows the length and thread count.
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S1owner
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bolt for the tank also has a plate with grips that hold the tank i can get one it will be a week but it will be very cheap theres one at the shop! I can give the shock hose off my leaker hose is fine i have a clamp for the resevior also!
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S1owner
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looking at your pics someone has already did the swingarm swapto the newer aluminum swing arm!
Also looks like a diffrent front wind screen?
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S1owner
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh and the bracket for the res is a stainless hose clamp that also has a bolt built into it that secures to the front shock mount
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S1: That's awesome. I'll take all those bits. I'll send you the air cleaner and you just keep stuffin things in a box til you feel like we're square and mail it.

I did notice the swingarm, and dig it. Not sure about the windscreen.

I am a bit concerned that when replacing the high pressure shock hose, it's going to decompress the shock if it's under pressure. Anybody know about this? Can it just be unbolted and replaced?
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Jayvee
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, despite everything mentioned so far, I think that's a good deal, if it was $1800.
Almost everything you (we) think it needs are stuff the average Buell owner changes or improves anyway. So this will be easier than it sounds to fix.
Did anyone mention Parts Manual, and Service Manual?
I'm still "improving" mine after 6 years, not even close to done.
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 12:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, I paid $1800. I think I did ok too. I've found more wrong with it that I thought originally... but that's pretty typical when buying things used. In a short period on here today, I've come up with a lot:

Header: Ebay unfortunately
Slip on: Local HD dealer, New Old Stock
Carb: 93jrh
Shock hose,
Shock reservoir bracket,
Tank bolt,
Turn signals: S1owner

You guys on here have been a ton of help. I really appreciate all the input.I still need to get my hands on a Jim's drill guide to tackle the exhaust studs. I'm really not lookin forward to that bit. Ugh.
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Harleyms
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 01:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

from looking at those pics I would take both of those broken studs out with some extra nuts and the mig welder....it would be safer than drilling (haven't seen a "jim's" though)

if you take the line off the shock you'll have to have it recharged with nitrogen won't you?
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Jim2
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 01:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

American Sport Bike for all your parts needs. They are a sponsor of this board and you'll get your parts quicker with less hassle. Nice looking bike, great deal.

(Message edited by jim2 on February 27, 2012)
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 02:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Harleyms: One of the studs is short enough, I don't think I could get a good enough weld to wrench on. The Jim's jig is really slick, although I've never used one.

Use one stud to hold the jig, the bump out fits in the jug, and the hardened sleeve pilots the 1/4" bit. Pretty clever. Only catch is that it's $100.

And I'll have to recharge the shock... gonna see what the damage will be on that tomorrow.
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 02:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Found another mismatch that somebody might be able to help with. It's the breather bolts. The kit that came on it takes the tapered head bolt on the left. No idea what the one on the right would have been from, but it doesn't fit the counter-sunk design of the breather.

Anybody have one of those bolts, or a different breather all together, let me know!
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Oldog
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 02:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you can get a breather banjo setup from American Sport Bike ( its custom chrome item ) as an alternative

good luck with your project
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Geedee
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 04:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good to see you posting Harley .
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Rich
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you looking for a race header, or a stock one?
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M2marc
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

looks like two different banjo bolts. But i am not familiar with that kind of breather kit. I have a set of used stock banjo bolts if you want.
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Operation_latte_thunder
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rich: I would have taken either, but I ebayed a stock one last night. It will probably be easier to find a can for a stocker.

M2marc: the bolts won't help me on this breather, unless you have the stock breather setup as well.
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Purpony
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 10:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

nice bike... why cant i find a cheap S1 like that around me!... the only ones around me are people are asking $6K for!!!
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Essmjay
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those aren't the stock headers, stock is 2into1.
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Jayvee
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That breather looks like "The Devonator" by Crossroads. I think American Sport Bike inherited all their Buell parts, maybe they would have an extra, or a replacement bolt for it.
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Rich
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK, good. I have a NOS stocker.
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S1owner
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That is the devonator i have that on mine!
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Deant
Posted on Monday, February 27, 2012 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i might have the tank bolt and plates if you need them.
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