| Author | Message | ||
     S1owner |
Looks kinda cool what do you think Motusmotorcycles.com | ||
| Weatherbyman |
http://www.youtube.com/motusmotorcycles Innovative will say that | ||
| Weatherbyman |
http://www.youtube.com/motusmotorcycles#p/a/u/2/lF DHBlAWEA8 Hotter video! | ||
| Preybird1 |
http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/images/allaboutbik es0611-2.jpg I don't like that cop at all......He's gonna get you!! interesting video! exhaust note is killer! | ||
| Onespeedpaul |
V4's FTW. i have wanted a 93-97 VFR750 since they came out. | ||
| Onespeedpaul |
i also wish michael czsyz was more into selling a bike than going racing with the Z4 layout C1 990. the sound that thing made was completely mad. | ||
| Ebutch |
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/659/9429/Motorcycle-Article/Motus-MST-Tourer-Public-Debut-at-Daytona.aspx  | ||
| S1owner |
So will they have both versions I prefer the bare bones street fighter look | ||
| Nwrider |
Very interesting. The nekkid version is much sexier than the touring model in my opinion but their site doesn't talk much about them. I would assume it is the "r" version. I likey! Question is.. will they be affordable? | ||
| Ebutch |
Sounds American !!!!!!!!!!!!  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Spoke with Brian Case, the MST designer. He said a naked version is very easy to create with minimal issues. He is planning on having a naked plastics package that would be available for purchase. I also suggested that a shorter tail section would also be preferred. I don't know how much of an option that would be based on the batter location under the seat. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
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| Weatherbyman |
Simple beauty, love the v4 deep low center of gravity and position.... | ||
| Ebutch |
How much are these ?????????????? $$$$$$$$$$$$$  | ||
| Daveswan |
Motus Motorcycles President Lee Conn – "We don't have an MSRP right now. There's a lot more development we've got to do [before we have] a final list of components. It will be premium, but not stupid. It's not for the rich and famous." They're taking $1,000 reservation agreements. Seems a bit like the cart before the horse. | ||
| Court |
I am not a motorcycle designer. But . . . if you don't know what the cost of your product is you are light years from selling it. Every good design (I've got a stack of blue books marked CONFIDENTIAL here in the bookcase) starts with a list of metrics . . that include MANY things . . .among them hp, price, target audience, market position and so forth. I'll say it again . . . .
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| Court |
I have to ask . . .since we have a large group of motorcycle enthusiast here . . numbering in the thousands. Has ANYONE EVER put down a $1,000 deposit on something someone could not tell them the price of ? Sounds absurd, but I could be wrong. | ||
| Nwrider |
That does sound a little odd Court. What if they ended up being... oh say... 40k-ish? I work for a living and would have just thrown a $1000 deposit away. | ||
| Daveswan |
Here's the agreement. Essentially, they can terminate you from their "reservation list" (pre-production, maybe if enough people are interested we'll go into production list) and refund your $1,000. But if you want to terminate the agreement (when they come up with the final cost nearer the moving production date) they'll keep $100 for "processing". http://www.motusmotorcycles.com/PDF/reservation.pd f?utm_source=Motus+Updates&utm_campaign=01a79619b8 -Motus_Updates_v1_003_15_2010&utm_medium=email | ||
| Nwrider |
That sounds a little more realistic. | ||
| S1owner |
From what I read Confederate cycles is the parent company and they are established so getting it into production etc is no problem they just need to finalize the design | ||
| Court |
>>>But if you want to terminate the agreement (when they come up with the final cost nearer the moving production date) they'll keep $100 for "processing". If they do that in some states they will be guilty of a crime. I suppose they are aware of this. EDIT: I also notice they cite Alabama as the declared venue. I am not certain (I could look it up) but I'm not certain you can do that for a vehicle transaction. Anyway . . . it just seems odd. I think it's an awesome looking bike and wish them all the best. (Message edited by court on July 30, 2011) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Don't know, Court. Ask Kenny Dreer. There were 10 "depositors" at the rollout at Barber. I guess for some $1000 isn't that much money. | ||
| Kalali |
"Has ANYONE EVER put down a $1,000 deposit on something someone could not tell them the price of ?" I personally don't have that kind of money to throw around but (some) people casually put down $50K+ for certain sports cars models long before they come out, e.g. McLaren, Ferrari, etc. BTW, there was a long article in Cycle World on Motus. That motor is a piece of art when you read about it. | ||
| Weatherbyman |
My customers at - http://weatherbyman.net/wcgcustoms put down over 80% deposit on custom rifles before they are even built..... They pay 20% at the time I provide them a UPS Tracking #, so yes.. if you want something special or unique, you either wait for full production or get in on the first to have it... that is what pre-order is. This company will make it, they have far too much $$$$ behind them to fail to start... agree with Court however that they maybe only 3% there... a lot more tough to start out a motorcycle company than many would think and Buell had bucks behind them they just had the anchor (H-D) that could not see the vision.... | ||
| Msr203 |
I'm sure Jay Leno will have one  | ||
| Court |
Look . . . I am not questioning either the looks, quality or attractiveness of the bike. What I am saying is that there are some things here that make the entire thing a bit tough to tie the ends together. The idea that they have no idea what the final cost is going to be makes asking for a deposit seem a bit of a stretch. There are small run bikes on the market now that go well over $100,000. It would be interesting to poll those who've put a deposit down and ask "what do you think it will cost?" I'd wager that all of them have been told something by the company to get the deposit. It scares me when folks don't understand their own business. Another item that caught my eye was the question about the fueling system. I think (there seem to be multiple threads in play) that someone mentioned they don't yet know what fueling system they will use. I'm thinking of the required miles (actually kilometers) of test records, hours of testing and months (many) of paperwork and certifications that can't start until the fuel system is selected, validated, sourced, prototyped, honed and ready to go to testing and certification as the "final one we're going to use". I'm not going to use the term half baked but there SEEMS (I am open to the concept that much of the information I'm reading is not representative of what's actually taking place) to be a great deal to be done. Suffice to say . . it seems VERY preliminary. I'm also wondering . . if the fuel system has not been selected . . what are they taking cross county and testing? I may be looking at two separate companies. | ||
| Court |
>>>From what I read Confederate cycles is the parent company and they are established so getting it into production etc is no problem they just need to finalize the design You;d need to explain that to me further as well. I read about Confederates bankruptcy, corporate reorganization, the fact they sold 37 bikes in 2008 and anticipated the sale of 30 bikes in 2009 and were suffering from lack of demand. In reading the Wikipedia summary of some Susan Carpenter articles I also has questions about the statement "Plant staffing is expected to increase from twelve to as many as thirteen employees." Just seemed odd that increasing from 12 to "as many as 13" . . . Bottom line is that Confederate certainly doesn't look either "established" or a "no problem" set of deep pockets. I'd need to know more if I were going put my $5,000,000 in. | ||
| Weatherbyman |
Spot on Court....  just have to see what happens. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I didn't take the statements I received from Lee Conn as that they didn't know what the final costs were. I took it as they were not prepared to tell ME (or anyone else) what the final cost is. The only thing they have told me for certain is their final target. I'm assuming that if they were going to drastically overshoot that number, they'd seem more concerned. As I mentioned in the QB Motus thread, both prototype bikes currently have the GDI systems on board. Since there is practically no GDI motorcycle real world data available, the emphasis is on collecting that data. There is much more data available for traditional FI systems. Doesn't mean they don't have significant work to do if they decide to go FI, but they are leaving their options open. GDI is complex, requires more expensive components, and is less owner tunable than a standard FI system. If there isn't a real benefit to GDI, why use it. The question of final cost has much to do with what components are chosen. Do they use the second from the top Brembo system or the next one down? Do they have Sargent do the seats as they are on the prototypes or have another manufacturer do them? Do they pick the Ohlins system for the base model or use Showa? Which level Ohlins or Showa? Do they use the aluminum/steel hybrid sprockets or go with the standard sprockets? Do they stay with the top of the line gauge cluster or go with the next level down? The previous prototype had off the shelf convertabars. The current models have adjustable systems designed by Brian Case and milled one off. Is that a cast part or a billet part on the production bike? They laughed that the current pegs are off the shelf Yamaha pegs. They NEVER fail until Cath takes one for a demo ride. They are playing things very close to the vest. I don't take the lack of final pricing as they don't know, but rather they just aren't saying. |
