| Author | Message | ||
     S1owner |
I was told by a coworker that there is no need to clutch when upshifting only down shifting is this true. | ||
| Gmaan03 |
depends on how hard you are pushing the bike, and the particular riding situation. Generally I shift with out the clutch, unless I am getting on the gas hard. | ||
| Sportyeric |
I think its easier on the transmission to use at least a little clutch. If you're hard on the throttle, then you may cause more wear to the clutch by using it than you cause to the tranny by banging the gears. Keep in mind we don't have a cush drive like some Japanese bikes do to cushion the shock of clutchless shifting. | ||
| Buellistic |
The CLUTCH is there to protect the TRANSMISSION, need "i" say more ??? | ||
| Kilroy |
Yes - you can also stop without using the brakes, but sooner or later you will be replacing many parts | ||
| Dolzinnig |
Manual transmissions will shift seamlessly through the gears if the RPMs are matched while making the transition. Truck drivers do this all the time, but they have a neutral in between the gears allowing them to match the RPMs before sliding it into the higher (or lower) gear. You can also accomplish the same RPM matching on a motorcycle by momentarily cutting the throttle (on upshift). If you are going to try this, don't go out and hold the throttle constant and just shift... that will not go well. You can match the RPMs if you cut the throttle momentarily and upshift and get right back on the throttle. If done correctly it is quicker than using the clutch, but higher chance of damaging something too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1BhYTT2nE Try at your own risk. In my experience it doesn't work very well on my X1 if you are cruising along at 45 in 4th gear then decide you want to cut the throttle and shift to 5th. It clunks... It is pretty smooth when accelerating if timed right. Again, at your own risk. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
THOUSANDS of shifts without using clutch = zero problems on my bike (I have well over a thousand passes on the bike, 3-4 shifts per pass) No visible wear on tranny or clutch, thought I did upgrade clutch about three years ago because stock was slipping This is a dragbike, takes tons of abuse WOT clutchless shifts (airshifter), no problems. No clunking. Just speed. | ||
| S1owner |
I do not know if I will try it or not but it was my thought that the clutch is there so use it | ||
| 01x1buell |
i have shifted without the clutch on occasion and i have never had any metal in my primary oil. so i think it is ok if you do it correctly | ||
| Sgtshap |
So using truck drivers as an example doesnt really work, since the transmissions in semi's are designed for clutch-less shifting. In fact, IF you try using the clutch on a Peterbilt or international you WILL grind gears. I have driven both. That said, I have shifted "prematurely" on the S1 i just got and was surprised how smoothly it went. I had a pucker moment, since my 636 kawi wasnt as forgiving under acceleration with mistakes like that. So no matter how smooth it felt I still clucth. The whole point is to release pressure on the clutch plates so that you can get the next gear in place, then reapply. I know thats pretty redundant since we all know how a clutch works. My $0.02 | ||
| 01x1buell |
(So using truck drivers as an example doesnt really work, since the transmissions in semi's are designed for clutch-less shifting. In fact, IF you try using the clutch on a Peterbilt or international you WILL grind gears. I have driven both) not true you can use the clutch on a big rig anytime you want... they have what is called a CLUTCH BRAKE !!!! which slows the input shaft down so u grind and can not shift.. when you use the clutch on a rig you depress it about 2 or 3 inches that it just enough so you do not apply the clutch brake.. i know ido this and operate heavy equipment..... | ||
| Sgtshap |
So you know what im talking about. I didnt feel like going into detail about how to drive a big rig. But the rigs ARE meant to be driven using just the sequential shifting. Clutch on first to get goin ,then match shift. Either way its like comparing apples and lawn mowers. Not even the same ball park. Our bikes dont have clutch breaks, they dont have sequential gearboxes designed for clutchless shifting. All im saying is, yeah its possible to shift without pressing the clutch, but is it really worth it? I can do it on my jeep too, but its not meant to do it either. You can land a plane without lowering the landing gear too....once. | ||
| 01x1buell |
ok so u do know what i am talking about.. and yes my f350 diesel i drive without the clutch for 100k and no problems in my opinion it is all about if you know what you are doing. | ||
| Desertfox |
I could see how you could easily get away without using the clutch, but I'd rather just use it. Many times when shifting into higher gears I'll notice that I'm not doing much more than moving the lever an inch or so. |
