| Author | Message | ||
     Desertfox |
I didn't realize that the X1 doesn't have the oil-sump/swingarm design, silly me! Do they still "own the corners"? Just curious. In all honesty though, I will likely never take a buell through corners fast enough for it to matter  | ||
| Nukeblue |
i would say yes. the x-1 had a little different steering geometry which helps them turn in quicker then the others (m2,s3). although a firebolt will run circles around it, they handle great. | ||
| Preybird1 |
Yes the tubers do own the corners!! Just ask the pack of 7 jap I4's i made look absolutely stupid on sunday up East canyon here in UT. They were going the other way and i flipped a u-turn and went after them! I was going to tease them a little. Well i passed through the pack like a greased pig on steroids. Sorry crotch-rocket guys but you have no chance to keep up with me in my canyons. Once we hit the straights they came up on me at a very fast pace but then i had a 2 mile lead and the corners were about to start again and they were much more dangerous corners, that tightened up the more you went into the corner. I have a significant amount of experience into this canyon. (20) yrs And now these guys were trying hard to keep up! Over the sound of my D&D system every now and again i could hear those bikes trying and sounding like a pack of killer bee's buzzing after me. But it was a glorious site to look over the edge of the road and down upon those silly little I4's which i had a nice half a mile lead now and there were more twisties coming up after a fast uphill corner section. Then the decent was three 15mph almost u-turn tight corners....Wait what is this i almost forgot there was brand new fresh asphalt waiting to have the street paint painted on. And it was new all the way through the rest of the downhill sections like a race track This was amazing and grippy stuff! I was flying through the corners at 60 mph!!! Man it was so much fun, What a beautiful and fantastic bike this has turned out to be. I wish i had my helmet cam on  | ||
| Preybird1 |
http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefo x-a&ie=UTF8&q=east+canyon&fb=1&gl=us&hq=east+canyo n&hnear=Salt+Lake+City,+UT&cid=0,0,144404254486027 03731&ei=rEVrTJiDA4T4swOlyJRG&ved=0CDEQnwIwBA&ll=4 0.85589,-111.697655&spn=0.172164,0.305214&z=12 Dreamer i don't think so jramsey. I ride this canyon on the weekends and i have done it on 19 different kinds and types of motorcycles. I have ridden it so much i have memorized the corners. This canyon is 10 minutes from my front door. Check out this map of the twisties. This canyon is very fun to ride but very dangerous. It actually links to emigration canyon and it is also another great canyon but it is a little rough up at the top due to old road surface and it is not very fun with my race suspension on stiff settings, it is a short run also.  | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
Those are some awesome roads.... I'm green with envy | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
i would say yes. the x-1 had a little different steering geometry which helps them turn in quicker then the others (m2,s3). This is incorrect, they have the same geometry and forks as a S3. | ||
| Kalali |
Speaking as a novice rider (and an X1 owner), I'd say the rider skill and experience is what counts. I can assure you a (good) rider with a 600cc I4 could run circles around me even if I had a top of a line Ducati. And, please be safe. We need you here in one piece.... | ||
| Jramsey |
From the FSM. X1 23 degrees rake, 3.5" trail. S3 24.5 degrees rake 3.8" trail. I own one of each(bike) and the difference is quite noticeable. | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
From the FSM. X1 23 degrees rake, 3.5" trail. S3 24.5 degrees rake 3.8" trail. I stand corrected  | ||
| Ducxl |
From the FSM. X1 23 degrees rake, 3.5" trail. S3 24.5 degrees rake 3.8" trail. I knew the X1 was more aggresive than the S3  Butttt,the S3 may be the more visually appealing | ||
| Oldog |
Fox the xb chassis is much better, largely because of the better suspension I own and 1125 and an X1, the Xb chassis is similar to the 1125 chassis, that being said, the X1 is no slouch, in capable hands it(the x1) can be ridden at a good clip, I doubt Russ is exaggerating too much, On roads that I am familiar with I can double the speed limit through corners on the X1 The tube frame bikes are essential 2 pieces the front (forks and frame /seat,) Rear ( engine rear suspension rear wheel ) they are not quite as sure footed as the Xb series bikes, as the 2 halves are tied together with 3 ribber mounts and some tie bars, The Xb engine is free to move in the chassis but it is a stiffer arrangement the shock is more conventional (vs pull shock) and the forks are a bit better, With the sportster motor the Tube Frame Buells will be able to get critical parts longer IMO, Enjoy your X1 it was the best and most numerous version of the Steel Frame Bikes about 13,000 were made in all. think of it as a P51 Mustang the X1 has more "personality" and I enjoy it, My 1125 will become art long before my X1 will.. oh and don't worry ABOUT the crap about un reliable, I have had some belt problems, and a few minor issues only one or 2 major ones, the service you get is largely a matter of the care you take, I rode to and from home coming this year 2200 + miles, one problem, loose battery terminal. I have had to fix and replace things, its not a washing machine, but its way more fun too. enjoy your x1 you are part of an ever smaller group, Buell owners | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The XBs have the engine as a stressed member of the frame. Not so in the X1 as Oldog stated. This means much greater rigidity from the XB platform. The suspension isn't that much better particularly with the USD forks than the XB, but the geometry is MUCH better with the XB. The X1 has a 55" wheelbase where the S/R had a 52 and the SS/X/XT/STT had a 54" wheelbase. The extra 3" makes a HUGE difference. You can tell the difference in the 2" between the large frame XBs and the small frame XBs. To me, the M2 feels a lot like the Ulysses, but I have noticed that the M2 isn't as easy to tip into corners as the Uly was. | ||
| Oldog |
err Ft the engine IS a stressed member of the tube frame chassis the suspension loads are transfer-ed up through the front mount, that is part of why they break mounts and bolts at times. the suspension is better on the xb bikes the conventional shock used works better, thats why many tube guys go to works or penskii for shocks. the forks are about the same but the front wheel is lighter by a margin, the other comments I agree on | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Yep. Brain fart. I don't find the underslung shock to be that much worse than the XB shock. | ||
| Jramsey |
>not quite as sure footed......... Install the Iso stiffeners I made for you, still won't be XB solid but major improvement. Jim, I ran a nail thru Burgy rear tire, not repairable, 3/4 tread left, will burn tire and send you pics.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
What are these "iso stiffeners" of which you speak? | ||
| Oldog |
Jim, I ran a nail thru Burgy rear tire, not repairable, 3/4 tread left, will burn tire and send you pics.) Dammit not at work !  good thing Im not drinking now, what a mess  Ft, the stiffener JR is referring to is a round aluminum puck drilled off center to fit in an isolator (rear) it prevents the twisting of the 2 halves Jr I have to drill and tap the extracting holes per your suggestion. Lazy, I know, I need to get some thread rod and mount those sliders you made for me. | ||
| Jramsey |
Fatty,recent thread you started right after you bought the M2,asking about if your rear Iso's looked ok because the bolt was off centered. If "I" remember correctly I offered you a set, but nothing more was ever said. | ||
| Desertfox |
Hmm... definitely some good information in here! I know I wont be riding it to it's full potential ANY time soon. Iso stiffeners huh? Is that important for day-to-day riding or is it only important for when the mounts see some serious loads? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Are these different than the updated new Isos? | ||
| Jramsey |
Offset bushing that fits in the Iso cavity under the Iso bolt. Maybe Oldog will post a pic? | ||
| Guell |
jramsey, how much for a set of the stiffeners? Im interested! | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Me too. I didn't understand what you were asking in the old thread. Tuber nube. | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
I knew the X1 was more aggresive than the S3 Butttt,the S3 may be the more visually appealing Just mine ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Oldog |
JR Ill get those pix up tonight, | ||
| Kalali |
I must have missed that discussion too. Sounds like a must do mod.. | ||
| Hootowl |
The new style isolators are pretty darn stiff. Do they need to be reinforced? | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
The new style isolators are pretty darn stiff Agreed, even worse when they are cold - they'll blurr you vision when it is 40F! | ||
| Jramsey |
Kneel down by right side of bike, grab right hand grip and pull down/push up rocking it on the side stand you will see the Iso flex between the swingarm block and the frame. The stiffeners get rid of this monkey motion that makes the bike feel like the rear wheel bearings are loose when you have it cranked over going through a corner. I would NOT recommend stiffeners for a daily driver, more vibes that could possibly cause the front Iso mount/head bolts to fail. When I have them in the X1 it will at idle do the Texas 2 step but in reverse,once it almost went out the shop door without me. | ||
| Oldog |
As promised pix of the art work of one of our metal artisians 1 isolator snubbers  2&3 where they go  obiously remove the bolt and re-install with snubber fitted  |
