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Thundermutt
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can someone give me some insight.I'm rebuilding the front forks on my 97 s-1. when i took them apart i noticed there was a washer missing.The one between the cap and the cartrige.I went to the Harley dealer and they show it in there parts book but do not sell it.Is this washer necessary or is it just in the service manual and parts book as a generic part for other buells.And if not does any one know the size it should be.To me it looks like it would act as a stop for the cap.Thanks
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Snowscum
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 03:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can someone help Mutt? Anyone know about the forks on the the S-1?
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Jeffb
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You could try this guy. He rebuilt my forks for me. He may have some free advice.

http://tracksideengineering.com/

Jeff
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Snowscum
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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F_skinner
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mutt, did you happen to get the part number? I can check down South and see what is available.

Frank
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Buellistic
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try calling BUELL Customer Service as they may be able to help ???

Usually the Dealers with the BUELL sign on their building are not much help, only to tell you it(the part)is not available any more ...

A good parts technician person can do a Dealer parts search if they know how ???

A smart move is to get the FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL and PARTS BOOK for your year and model to have the PART NUMBER in hand when a part is needed ...
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Court
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the manuals here for the forks. If you don't get any info drop me a note and I can check with the suspension engineering group.

Please consult pages 46 and 47 of the manual first. The 1997 S-1 Service Manual is also available as an Authorized Buell .pdf version. (The only one ever)

(Message edited by court on July 31, 2008)
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Snowscum
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the help guys! I'll let him know you guys posted more info.
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 07:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One of the R&D techs is the suspension guru. If you get hung up and need a question answered send it to me. WARNING: He is frequently out of the country testing and they will be leaving soon (Sept) so it may take a bit of time.
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Thundermutt
Posted on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks guys for the info.I've been responding to my e-mail notice instead of bbw board.I'll try some of your suggestion
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Court
Posted on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the diagrams also. If you need them, drop me a NOTE.
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Thundermutt
Posted on Friday, August 01, 2008 - 04:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So what do you think is it a spacer or washer.
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Darren
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 04:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is that not the rubber seal that goes on the cap to stop leakage!

long time ago since I did mine.
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Snowscum
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 08:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it was item 4 on the assembly drawing in the manual. Looks like a washer of some sort. Not sure what page since the manual was in Mutts garage last night. Hopefully he will respond today but he is not very computer savvy so forgive him. Lol
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F_skinner
Posted on Saturday, August 02, 2008 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mutt and scum, here is the pages from my 98 S1 parts book if it helps. I am pretty sure it is the same as the 96-97.







And here is the link to the 96-97 service manual in pdf format. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/Manuals/S1_1 996-1997_Service/intro.pdf

Hope this helps. Frank
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Thundermutt
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Boyz thanks for the help.Frank the exploded view you sent is like the dealer has it shows the washer but does not give a item number or a part number. The repair manuel i have shows it as item number 4.Our pictures are the same and it would be the third item down from the top in the drawing you sent. Can't seem to open the PDF file.Like snowscum i have a little trouble with this computer S***.He'll help out tomorrow.
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F_skinner
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3rd down from the top is a rubber washer which sits in the middle of the retaining ring, I think. I am not sure how interchangeable the parts are but I have part number 45869-94y for my 96 S2. You could always order it and compare it to the other as long as it is a cheap part which it should be.

Frank
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not Found

The requested URL /buell/Manuals/S1_1 996-1997_Service/intro.pdf was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Server at www.badweatherbikers.com Port 80
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Snowscum
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wonder if they(whoever tore them down last time) put a steel washer in there cause they didnt have the rubber one.
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F_skinner
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seems there was a space in the link. Try this one.


http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/Manuals/S1_1 996-1997_Service/intro.pdf
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F_skinner
Posted on Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am surprised those parts do not have a part number in the catalog. I wonder why that is.... Maybe all the parts are sold in some type of rebuild kit or maybe they don't fail. I really don't know.

I find that if I have a part number I can go to my local Buell dealership and usually order the part with no hassle. What dealership are you using? There is a fellow BadWebber that is a parts guy at High Country HD. I will shot him an email and see what he says...

Frank
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Sparky
Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 03:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Question: I have the same basic forks in my 98 S3 and have tried to replace the fork springs but am having a problem getting the springs out because there are two "C" shaped clips holding the springs in. When I remove the fork cap and press on the spring to relieve its pressure, what is the trick to remove the two "C" shaped clips?

The clip's inner edge fits in a groove on the damper assembly and the outer edge fits in a groove on the fork tube. I can move the clips around but not enough to clear their outer edge from the groove that holds them in place.
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Smoke
Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 05:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

compress the spring by hand or take some safety wire and wrap 3 coils worth and twist to compress the spring. if you twist to much the safety wire work hardens and breaks. i usually undo the cap nut, push the outer tube down to the inner tube exposing the spring and then use one hand to push the spring down and the other to pull the retainer washers at the top. easier to remove than install. pay attention to the washer cone orientation or you will get to do it again. i do this with the fork tube out of the triple. good luck.
tim
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Thundermutt
Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Frank your rubber washer is probably the answer.Ilive up north so i have been going to High Country HD.I'll give them a call and see if i can get the part.
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Thundermutt
Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 08:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sparky all i did was compress the spring by hand and then had my son pull the retainer clips out.now it my not go back that it easy
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F_skinner
Posted on Monday, August 04, 2008 - 09:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thundermutt, talk to Zac in parts if he is working today. I sent him the info already. Frank
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F_skinner
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mutt and Scum, Zac goes back to work at HCHD tomorrow. I would recommend give him a call and let him track it down. I sent him an email with the info and link to this thread. Keep me informed how it works out. Frank
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Snowscum
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 04:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cool! Thanks Frank for your help!
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Zac4mac
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll be in tomorrow.
Today's my "Sunday".

I have to go in now and see about auto-deposit, I'll take a look at the parts books we have.

No part number yet, just the third part down in the pix above?

Z
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Thundermutt
Posted on Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 06:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

zac. Thanks I'll try and make it out there tomorrow
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