| Author | Message | ||
     Bobo |
I have the stock headers (2000 X1) that I am Jet Hot coating silver. Thinking of 3 exhaust and appreciate any thoughts. I am going for looks, ease of maintenance, and sound. Power will be a given on all three even though one may give better numbers than the other. But, I am not concerned with that right now as my sporty will be the HP monster. The sporty has loud pipes on it. A 2-1 so not as loud as drag pipes but plenty loud. D&D: I read and heard it is good sounding yet loud but not like a Force. It is black and therefore easier to maintain - wash and spot paint it when needed. Reasonable price. V&H: Never been a bad choice on the sporty. I read that the Buell V&H exhaust is quieter. Will discolor but can be easily polished. Needs to be repacked. Reasonable price. SuperTrapp: A favorite on the Sporty for the tuners. Tuneable on the Buell as well. Will discolor but can be polish. No maintenance. Higher costs. I am leaning towards the D&D. But, just want to do a check before I get it as I have no first experience with any of them. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I never had a problem with the V&H SS2R on my M2, but I've known people who have. The D&D never looked right to me because the black color doesn't match the 00-02 header. The SuperTrapp with enough discs in it sounds magnificent, but it's not without it's problems too... the last person I rode with that had one fractured the front mount. Keep an eye on what ever you get. | ||
| Bobo |
Yes, I don't like the look of the D&D unless I had the Jet Hot black coating. But it is not as good as the silver coating plus the silver can be polished up. From what little I have heard the D&D is better sounding to me than the V&H. However, my only experience for hearing them is YouTube. And the V&H from their site. Any thoughts about V&H Aluminum versus V&H Carbon Fiber? (Message edited by bobo on January 31, 2008) | ||
| Torquemonster |
I had a V&H SS2R (aluminum) on my M2 and loved it. It was very lightweight, shiny, and low profile. At about 3500 miles, the small bit of pipe @ the rear of the can broke off and the sound of the exhaust became almost like a bubbly gurgle. Sounded kinda cool, but far from the growl it had before. 1000 miles later, the front mount broke at the weld so I decided to try a D&D. I did not have the updated Y mount at the time, so this may have contributed to the demise of the V&H. (or it couldve been the a-hole that kicked my pipe in the parking lot) $315.00 later... The D&D sounds less growly, more bassy, but still LOUD. (cagers on the cellphone HATE me!LOL) As for aesthetics, I dont mind the D&D's black finish as it blends in with the street and sits underneath- in the shadow of the bike. It disappears if youre not looking for it. With the mix of the black frame and silver engine cases, I think it looks just right. It is considerably heavier than the V&H, but im very pleased with it nonetheless. Since the death of the V&H, Ive made no other mods aside from installing the D&D and now the front tire wants to float like a ghost. I also have a race kit on order with American Sport Bike (you ROCK, AL!) and am going to try to fit the D&D up to the race header once I receive it. I heard good things about it. I also figured that having an extra exhaust can on the shelf aint such a bad thing. Good luck! (Message edited by TORQUEMONSTER on January 31, 2008) (Message edited by TORQUEMONSTER on January 31, 2008) | ||
| Bobo |
Looked at the install instructions on V&H site. It appears you have to trim the chin fairing and because of the delicate nature of the CF version there is no warranty as they can easily break and if not packed correct burn. So, V&H is probably out. Looking a little deeper into the SuperTrapp. I wonder what the weight of the SuperTrapp is compared to V&H and D&D. Also just read on the SuperTrapp site that theirs needs packing to. How do I know if I have the updated mount? (Message edited by bobo on January 31, 2008) I think I need to look for a bracket that is L for old one or upside down Y for new one. Is the orientation of the regulator different from one setup to the other? (Message edited by bobo on January 31, 2008) | ||
| Aaomy |
they havent been made in years,, but if you could find a borla muffler is what i would recommend.. they produce a beautiful sound,, carbon fiber body,, and never need repacking.. i have a s2 on that i liked and now one of the 2-1/2" inlet and outlet ones that i have cut the inlet on and expanded, that now needs to be shortened and placed on my race headed.. they are hard to find but do show up on e- bay from time to time.. my second recommendation is the race pipe and muffler,, third would be vance and hines.. had really good luck with mine, al body . | ||
| Aaomy |
if you look in my profile pick you can see the borla standing up in the back ground in front of the bike.. good luck. | ||
| Chasespeed |
You can send the D&D to be coated when you send the header... my whole system went from D&D, to Jet Hot... to the bike... All done in Silver... Muffler still looks good.. though, the elbows on the header right outta the heads are a bit dull... but.. or well... 2 years later... If you find some of the pics of my bike, you will see. I will back the D&D, COMPLETELY bullet proof.. loud, great sound, without being HARSH... The Supertrapp, while, I have used those products, just, not on this bike... I would use that as well... And, as Aaomy said, if you can find a rare Borla... GET IT.. it truly does have a BEAUTIFUL sound... Its up to you... Chase | ||
| Bobo |
But the Borla is CF. That is not an issue? | ||
| Ratbuell |
I run an un-packed carbon fiber V&H on my S1W. It's my toy bike, and the throttle is not so much a progression but an on/off switch when I ride it. No issues, loud as hell, runs great, and cancels all surrounding cager phone calls  It is too loud for my everyday tastes though, so my S2 (daily commuter) has a Buell race can. Personally? I LOVELOVELOVE the Buell can. Sounds perfect, nice and bassy, authoritative, not too loud or buzzy in the helmet when cruising. And performance is up on that bike just by pulling the Supertrapp and putting the race can on. I think I may have tweaked the air/fuel screw less than 1/4 turn too. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
just don't do like i did and find an older model of the supertrapp and regret the day that you bought it. make sure it's the updated one. although they don't make em anymore, they can still be found out there. the tunability of it and the low maintenance is what makes it a great muffler. | ||
| Bobo |
Do they still make the race can for the X1? | ||
| Chasespeed |
NO, they dont make the Buell Race Muffler anymore... BUT, the early Race Kits used the Supertrapp.. Make sure its the updated one... I am sure someone here has a pic of the front of the updated can.. Chase | ||
| Buellsrule |
Let's see, I had the V&H first(3 of them actually). Don't do V&H unless you like working on exhaust regularly. Then there was the infamous "Daytona Boss" by stainless specialties. Totally not engineered for the Buell in the fitment department but did have a great sound and look. Then, the updated Supertrapp slip-on. Probably the best slip-on to that point but not perfect or bullet proof. I then decided I wanted to go all the way and I bought the D&D full system that Chasespeed now owns. Liked the system a lot but never got used to the exhaust leaks around the "y" collector from the header pipes (these systems do sound and perform great). I had Kevin build me a drummer and I believe this is the best slip-on for the tubers. I understand now he won't do one. I believe if you drove to his shop in NC and hung out with him he probably would do you one(don't tell him I said so). Now I have a race kit on the X1 and currently a race header and D&D muffler on the S3. I like the sound of both for different reasons but believe that the better system is the race header with the D&D slip-on. This is as good as it gets for performance and is virtually maintenance free(as far as tubers go). The Drummer with the stock header is nearly as good in the performance department, looks stock(is quite a bit lighter than stock), and can be made to last. FWIW, stay away from V&H, and early Supertrapps. The Borlas do have a beautiful sound and seem to hold up pretty well. That's all folks... | ||
| Jayvee |
The SuperTrapp web-site now lists the 99-02 tuber Buells, it says "Back by popular demand". | ||
| Nevrenuf |
"really" that must have just happened. buellsrule, what kind of problem did you have with your supertrapp. the only thing i did to mine was drill the disc screw holes out so i didn't end up stripping out the threads on the screws like i did on the other trapp. i had thought about the d&d but i heard that it's as loud as the force. even with ear plugs in i couldn't handle that pipe at all. i'm running 21 discs in it and i think it sounds pretty good at this point. (Message edited by nevrenuf on February 01, 2008) | ||
| Numb_nutz |
I run the Buell Pro Series can.It sounds great, looks good, very low maintenance. Just a quick polish every once in a while. It to has disc's inside for tuning. | ||
| Guell |
i have a v&h carbon fiber pipe, so far no problems. not sure how much packing is left in it either. | ||
| Kyrocket |
I've been running the V&H for probably six or seven years now and just recently (it's still off the bike) repacked it. The rear mount broke on one side so I made my own mount and I painted the can and polished the two ends. I've liked it pretty well but then again there aren't many Buells around these parts so I've not heard other systems. Besides the rear mount it's been trouble free and even then it was just one side so it didn't come off. Good luck, it's going to be a tough choice. Also there was no need to modify my chin spoiler, was that just on the CF muffler? Mine is the aluminum. | ||
| Bobo |
Kyrocket: On the V&H web site the aluminum is the only one listed. And in the install instructions from the site it says to trim it. Glad to hear you didn't have to trim. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
come to MBV ky, i'm sure you'll hear a buell every way you could possibly imagine. | ||
| Socoken |
Ive been running a hince and whines al can for 6 years and 20,000 miles with no problems and great sound on my M2. I also have a chin fairing on mine, and didnt have to trim it. | ||
| Kyrocket |
Nevr I'd love to come to MBV. I drool when I read the threads on here but alas it's not in the cards. I have to pick and choose my trips very carefully. With three young kids it's hard to talk the wife into more than a couple trips a year. Day trips, no problem but a three or four dayer, well you get the point. Bobo, I'm going to the site now to see if it says where to trim but that's the first I've ever heard of it on here. There's someone on here just recently that had a carbon V&H but IIRC it was for an S1. | ||
| Kyrocket |
BTW Nevr I love your color combo. It was a toss up between that and mine but I'm a sucker for limited editions. Not always a good thing. | ||
| Kyrocket |
Oh, it may melt...well, I haven't melted yet so I'll just leave it be. It references the CF muffler but it isn't listed there. | ||
| Guell |
I never thought that my cf muffler got that hot... | ||
| Oldog |
bobo: I have the "revised supertrapp" good sound, durable, looks good . I have been very happy with it customer service is good too. the stainless muffler will long out last a carbon steel one. the can yellows slightly with age and heat I have grounded mine on a speed bump, I dont know if CF will take that abuse. Make sure its the updated one... I am sure someone here has a pic of the front of the updated can.. I'll get a pic soon, the updated ST has the elbow attached VS pinned / clamped on its waaaaay beefier the front is tapered where the old one is flat and prone to fatuge there, Once in a while you see one come up on E-bay, ST has made a concerted effort to get them out of circulation IE you don't want it.} (Message edited by oldog on February 02, 2008) | ||
| Oldog |
 this Is the "early" super trapp,  | ||
| Werewulf |
i had problems with my v&h carbon fibre muffler and called the warranty dept... i was told that the carbon model was not designed for longevity, but just to look sexy... i trashed it and put on a super trapp... | ||
| Billetmetallic |
I just found a brand new borla exhaust on ebay, supposedly it fits "all" tube frame models, but there is clearly a difference between early and late tuber headers. I guess I'll find out if it fits on my S1 when it arrives! If it doesnt, maybe I'll be able to modify it?(aaomy, you seem to be familiar with this exhaust, any suggestions?) or maybe I'll sell it right here on bad web, keep your eyes peeled!  |
