| Author | Message | ||
     Warlizard |
Any opinions on IDS series for a 2K X1? How's the sound? How many discs are you using? etc. etc. | ||
| Oldog |
The latest series is a good solid piece of equipment, Avoid the early one (flat end) as the end is prone to fail as I am told. IIRC the slipons come with 15 or 20 discs I run em all, Sound is subjective the V&H sounds good and the ST sounds good too. The loudest pipe setup I have heard is the Force, the D&D is said to be loud as well. When you change the muffler you will want to change the inlet, if you are tall 6' + a forcewinder may be desirable. look in the KV I posted 2 dyno runs in the section under the force winder section. The PC3 is not needed with the setup a race ECM is also a good mod to add with the pipe and inlet. | ||
| Iamike |
I am sold on the Trapp for a couple of reasons. 1) It is easily tuneable. You can add/subtract discs fairly easy. I like it since I leave for work at 6:30am I don't bother the neighbors. If you like noise there is an open endcap 'for race only' that gives it a nice rumble. 2) My 1st one, the original style, lasted for 10,000mi. until the shop that replaced my warranty shock didn't tighten the front hanger and it started the destruction cycle by the time I got home. I called Supertrapp about it and they sent me a new style one to replace it. That is above and beyond customer service. I now have 48,000mi. on the new one and it is holding up quite well. | ||
| Weatherman |
23500 miles later on my m2 mine is still fine sounds a little louder than stock but not obnoxious and is tuneable!!! | ||
| Nevrenuf |
definitely do not buy an early version off of ebay like i did and end up buying the newer one anyhow. but very worth having because of the tunablilty. got 20 discs with the race end cap on it. gives me noise without being obnoxious like the force. if you want a force, i got one that i would be willing to sell. | ||
| Rock |
OKAY--just a couple of points of information here--my X1 (2000) had been retrofitted with a Supertrapp and race kit when I got it; dyno sheets showed (a best) of 89HP which I was happy with. However, at around 8500 miles, it was evident that the bike didn't perform like it used to along with a subsequent drop in fuel mileage!! I tried many things in an attempt to remedy these issues including the following... 1) R & R fuel filter 2) R & R spark plugs 3) Inspect throttle shaft (not broken) 4) checked intake seals for integrity (no problems here) 5) pulled exhaust system and disassembled the muffler-- AHHAA!! The machine screw that affixes the baffle/packing had fallen out causing the assembly to slide rearward into the end-cap causing a horrific restriction; kinda like a TORNADO tryin' to get out of a KEY-HOLE!! Anyway, with new pillow-packing from Supertrapp and putting all back together, peformance and mileage are back up and I couldn't be happier. So-o-o-o, should your machine ever exhibit the symptoms noted here, things may simplier than you thought to remedy!!!!!!!}} | ||
| Rock |
BTW, my disc count is 14... | ||
| Rock |
Oh yeah, one more thing--I R & R'ed the O2 sensor as well! | ||
| Ragnagwar |
Went through a few exhaust changes and am now running the New Model Super Trapp. Running 15 discs in my setup(came with 15). Bike runs and sounds great and in my opinion it improves the appearance of the bike because of the larger size.  | ||
| Noonesmeans |
I'm thinking of changing the intake/exhaust on my X1. Everything I've read here suggests that race headers are the best money spent on a tuber performance-wise (hole in the mid-range and all). The only thing I've found in that vein is the Force and the D&D, both of which are said to be way loud. Since I commute on the interstate with my bike, I wonder if there isn't something a just this side of intolerably loud out there. Is there something that works with the Supertrapp? And what was in the race kit back in 2001? And do any of you know if longer headers necessitate a custom map--or is the race ECM designed for such a setup? | ||
| Lake_bueller |
I'm running the SuperTrapp on my S3T. It has about 35k miles and still looks and sounds great. My neighbors (Harley guys) love the sound of the ST on my Buell. It has a throaty rumble without rattling the windows. On the other hand, I have a Daytona BOSS (a specialty pipe that was made by Dayton H-D/Buell in the late 90's) with a 3" outlet on my S1W. That is about on the same level as a D&D (maybe a touch louder). It's been known to set off car alarms  | ||
| Oldog |
Noones' the race header may be hard to find, the standard header with a ST works well and will give better service if you have the Y mount, and late model St can. I run a force winder intake the ham can or similar has been found to be better for perf, The FW is sturdy and easy on the knee, You will pick up a few ponies with these 2, I did the dyno runs to check this. about 3~5 hp peak and it filled in the "hole" I have placed the race box on the bike as well and found that this combo works well on the X1 I have not dynoed it yet so I cant tell you how it works beyond seat of the pants, and more wheelies ... | ||
| Noonesmeans |
So you are basically saying that the Forcewinder (which I find aesthetically appealing despite the questionable price and performance gains) along with the race ECM, the stock header, and a Supertrapp muffler doesn't run lean, sounds good, and fills in the hole? I assume you are talking about a similar bike (2001 X1). Is it true that the race ECM makes cold starts harder (not that it gets very cold in SC)? How much louder, really, is the D&D, if anyone can say? | ||
| Oldog |
Yes, the cold start thing is kinda wierd, starts fine it idles slow and it gets faster as it gets warm Set the idle speed when the engine is at OT and not before or it will idle high. It does not run lean, Vs the stock ECM which does, and it pulls hard and does not surge as the stock one does. its like a new bike. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
YAY! someone else that is still running a "Daytona Boss"!  The performance of it is nice but the mounting hardware is utter sh*t. It can be made less sh*tty if you braze the hangers to the can. Mine is ... somewhat less shiny now. After I brazed the hangers, it doesn't shake loose. | ||
| Brokeneck |
I installed the Race ECM -- the Forcewinder -- and the Supertrapp -- it's like a whole different bike--- I brought it up to NRHS and he was nice enough to set the tpi and dyno it for me -- with the 15 discs the pipe came with -- the bike made 93 hp @ 145mph --and thats with mile high thin air -- I purchased the additional disc kit from him -- I think it was an additional 8. I installed them about a week later --- I didn't redyno it but seat of my pants tells me it's pulling even stronger -- Just remember to use the rain sock on the forcewinder only in the rain, it is a definite restriction -- and remember to put it on when it rains--- took 75 miles to get mine to run right again after a downpour -- | ||
| Naustin |
There is only one flaw with the Trapp, one that I was unfortunate enough to discover... There is a set screw on the bottom that goes through the body and into the baffle to hold it in place. If that little screw falls out, the whole baffle will slide backward inside the body and seal against the venturi shaped end cap. If you aren't running the endcap, (some don't) then the baffle can come all the way out and hit the tire - possibly causing a wreck. Put some loctite on that set screw, and you're all good. THe sound and power from the Trapp is very good, IMHO. IF I were replacing my exhaust, I'd go with another supertrapp in a heartbeat. Nick | ||
| Warlizard |
Well, the ST, (so far 12 discs, 18 in a few days), forcewinder and race ECM are doing fine. I also added Pro_Series plugs and wires. After about 700 miles in 3 days, runs ands sounds strong. I am considering a Crane coil? What's the word? Is it worth it? | ||
| Bad_karma |
I have a ST that I bought used, currently rebuilding. Only think I have noticed that I don't like is the weight. Joe | ||
| Easy_rider |
I'm running a Buell race muffler -- which I think is the same as the Supertrapp. I started with about 20 discs and set off car alarms. I kept pulling discs out 6 at a time, and it's a little quieter but "rattier". I love the looks but I'm not real high on the sound. This thread raises two questions: There's packing made for these? What exactly is the race endcap? Mine is open-ended like ragnag's pic. I bought mine used on eBay, so I may not have got all of the goodies. | ||
| Chasespeed |
2 years ago, we had a D&D slip on, and a Force in teh same parking lot... And Nates....eh, not so shiny Boss... Anyway... That said, The D&D Full exhuast, and the 1250 kit, are tied for 1st place as far as power mods go... I havent decided which one I like better, but... Anyway... IF I am not mistaken, the early Buell Race exhaust USED a Supertrapp... And the SuperTrapp slip on, is actually 2 pieces..which, in theory could be used with teh race header after taking the elbow off... NOW, I dont know this for a fact, and have NOT measured one, but... it looks feasible.. I know I sold my old D&D Slip-On and Race header to Prez.. Dont know what ever came of it... Anyway.... Ham can(my pref)/Forcewinder, Race ECM, and Slip-On= BFG & Wheelies BTW, I never had any cold start issues.. sometimes a little slow, but it catches up.. Chase | ||
| Oldog |
Forcewinder, Race ECM, and Slip-On= BFG & Wheelies You will get a Oh yeah on that one! } | ||
| Warlizard |
Easy Rider- The one in Rags pic looks to be the standard cap that comes w/ it. I just put mine on and it looks the same. I have 12 discs ( too quiet ). I am adding six discs and the race cap. For pics and info go to DS Fatbook and look under exhaust, then under end caps and select 4" category. It shows the various options for discs,screws and caps. Everything is pretty cheap ( 40$ and under ). Most HD dealerships will let you order Fat Book items thru them. | ||
| Warlizard |
One More Thing... U will want to run at least 12 discs, loud or not. Bike pulls better and RPM curve is much smoother with more discs. The 18-21 range seems to be optimal. NRHS has dyno#s for various disc amounts under the "tech" section. Only thing I can't tell is which cap they used. With 12 discs (minimum they used) it was a pretty jagged climb. Chart looks great around 20. If u run more than 22, u will need the race screws. | ||
| Ragnagwar |
Here's a pic of the race end cap. It is installed inside the can with the discs. You still use the snout on the outside. And believe me when you put the open end cap in the mix you get LOUD!!!. I used the open end cap once and took it back off. To loud for me, but I've got to admit the sound was incredible!  | ||
| Naustin |
The race end cap converts the Trapp to a straight-through glass pack. The standerd end cap does not have the hole in the center, and force the gasses to flow out between the discs. More discs = more flow. I wouldn't think the number of discs would matter much if you were running the race End Cap since most of the flow is stright though anyway - but the extra discs might help some. I didn't count how many discs are in mine. I haven't noticed any dips or bumps in the power delivery and I wouldn't want it any louder - so I didn't bother counting the discs... Probably whatever number the thing comes with preinstalled in the box. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"To loud for me, but I've got to admit the sound was incredible!" Neverenuf has an open endcap on his Supertrapped M2. I rode quite a few miles behind him (not because I wanted to) and I thought it was the best sounding Buell (of any year) at March Badness 4. He does have a few other mods, though... | ||
| Nevrenuf |
even with 21 discs in i didn't notice how great it ran until i put the open race cap in like the one showed up above. sleez hit that one right on the head with that call. and dan, i'm sorry i kept blocking your path around me and the wife. i wasn't doing it on purpose. | ||
| Djkaplan |
Blocking? There you go harshing my buzz again. I was riding my ass off to keep up with you and wife. Everytime I got up close in the corners, you'd jet away faster than I could keep up in the straights. It wasn't until you missed a gear I was able to get by. Pretty impressive riding I think (I'm talking about myself!). | ||
| Warlizard |
Are you guys saying you run the race cap along w/ the standard cap? I assumed it was either one or the other. The pics I have seen with race cap show a straight out exhaust right to the tire? |
