| Author | Message | ||
     Hodakaguy |
Just ran across this picture on the net. It's made by a company called "Big Twin Racers" and uses a Big Twin for power instead of a sporty motor. It's called the War Horse. Not near as nice looking as the Buell though. Thought I would post up a picture since it's kinda related to Buells.  | ||
| Naustin |
its a wannabuell. | ||
| Jayvee |
Anybody guess on the horsepower to weight ratio of the big twin versus the little twin? Have to include the weight of the transmission of the big twin. It just seems to me like the little twin, especially if punched out to 1250cc or so, has a good power to size/weight ratio. The big twin can make more power, but much more bulk. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I bet that thing shakes like a mofo at idle and will vibrate your fillings out at speed. | ||
| Sleez |
neat looking, but i am sure it is heavy | ||
| Sleez |
their link doesn't state a weight; http://www.bigtwinracers.com/war-horse/index.htm | ||
| Chasespeed |
I would still give it a spin...... Chase | ||
| Sleez |
just spoke with Curt Winter the owner, real nice guy. says they are looking at offering kits for around 5300.00 for frame kit and 16,750.00 for a roller, with ohlins suspension and CF wheels!! i invited him to post here, we'll see if he chimes in. by the way, the weight isn't all that bad considering the big twin motor, about 435 lbs or so, and expected to be slightly less with the CF wheels fitted. | ||
| Oldog |
Where the choppa guys are going from the look of it... interesting and kinda cool | ||
| Curt |
Hi guys, thanks for the comments. The bike on the web site is around 435 lbs. but the bike we are offering as a kit will use Ohlins suspension and carbon fiber wheels in an effort to lighten things up. We are looking at hitting the 400 lbs. mark. The big twin powerplant is heavy, the up side is the amount of torque they produce and that combined with a good handling stable chassis makes for a great user friendly fun bike, and something you don't see on every corner. | ||
| Sanchez |
> I bet that thing shakes like a mofo at idle and will vibrate your fillings out at speed. Lol, kind of like the M2 you mean? | ||
| Chasespeed |
that IS using the 6 speed box RIGHT? Combine that power to weight ratio, godo final drive, and close ratio gera box, it SHOULD have a pretty good theoretical top speed, as well as acceleration.... Hmmmmm, I wouldnt mind getting my fingers on one of those, and seeing what I could do with it... It is unique, and there is ALOT you can do with the big twin drivetrain, whether we want to admit it or not... The Carbon Fiber, while I use it myself, I find it hard to justify on a bike that sees a godo amount of street miles, at least, say, in Virginia Beach, South Texas, anywhere the states dont care about the roads.... Anyway..... I am thinking..well, I am not gonna say what I am thinking.... Chase | ||
| Tunes |
Curt has done a nice job creating a unique bike. For those who want something very different, here it is. True, you won't see one on every corner... just like a tuber. If you want a kit bike, it's a good one... Haven't we been hearing for years that the early Buells are considered "kit" bikes? I mean, my '99 S3 is still considered a kit bike compared to the XB's... So, considering everything, if ya want a production "kit" bike, why not buy an early tuber Buell? I still want to give kudos to Curt's creation... | ||
| Curt |
To answer your question, yes this one uses a Rev Tec 6 speed. I used a chain drive so that I could keep the motor in the center of the bike while using a 180 rear tire. For me the use of a chain allows me to play with the gearing, the stock gearing found on most big twins is way to low (in my opinion)those engines make so much torque, there is no need to go that low. Iv'e never figured out the calculated top speed but I have had it up to 148 mph as indicated by my buddy next to me on a ZX 1100. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Wow, really nice. I like it. | ||
| Chasespeed |
I hope no one took my lastr comment in a bad way... In other words, I have a few ideas, though, i am gonna keep them to myself.... But I agree, this is a sweet looking set-up, both visually, and on trhe numbers so to speak... I would seriously like to give one a whirl...and see if it can withstand serious abuse Chase | ||
| Curt |
Chase, I didn't take your comment in a bad way. I love talking about changes and new ideas. Thats how this thing came to be. Keep em coming. | ||
| Bad_karma |
Curt Good job. Joe | ||
| Aldaytona |
Way Cool bike, but what's up with that flat black box with the "rose" on it in front of the engine and the drag pipes?  | ||
| Chasespeed |
The box is the oil tank, unless I missed my guess....the "Rose" is the cap.... And drag pipes? Why not? They are 2 into 1...and.... well... Chase | ||
| Eshardball |
I would be concerned with how much of the airflow that is required for cooling is diverted away from the cylinders by the oil tank. Other than that, it looks trick. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Actually, with the tank mounted the way it is, tall, and thin, it shoudl allow for pretty decent cooling of the oil, which also plays a major part in cooling a HD motor...for the most part, the rest of the heat comes out the heads.... the cylinders, DO do a bit of cooling, but, no enough to where I would consider this design, to cause concern... MY 2 cents... Chase | ||
| Sleez |
the more i look at it, the more i NEED to ride one. thanks for posting Curt. if you get to the point of needing to hire engineer/technician/test riders....let me know will ya? i am not that far away! | ||
| Curt |
Esharball, your right, it increases cooling. Putting the oil tank in fresh air is a win win, the tank actually causes a negative space behind it that draws air to the front cylinder. Notice how Buell uses oil coolers from the factory, we don't need one because our oil cooler is the oil tank. | ||
| Jayvee |
Hey, rubber mounted engine! Aluminum gas tank! 435 lbs is unbelievable. And right here in the SF Bay area too... This is a major WOW! The more I read and see, the more impressed I am. I like the yellow one (of course)on the web-site. This one would look more "together" if the flyscreen and front fender were color-matched. The fly-screen, "eh?", I'm thinking the M2 copy (as sold by Dale Walker's Holeshot Performance) would work as well, if not better. But those exhaust pipes look right out of Orange County Choppers. Got to be a better way, with a carbon or Ti can, of course. I'd give KDFAB a call, maybe they can help. That oil tank/cooler just doesn't do it for me though. Did you try oil-in-frame? Like the old BSA or SR500, not like the current Buell; or maybe a smaller tank under the seat? But either one, combined with one of this type of cooler  would just look better, the current one makes it look like it's water-cooled or something. Anyway, very impressive, happy to see it, wish you guys great success! (Message edited by jayvee on February 21, 2007) | ||
| Curt |
Jayvee. The yellow one carries the oil in the frame and was a very clean set up. The reason I didn't go with it on the other bike was just to make production easier. That bike handled horrible. It was a total experiment to see if we could build a bike that had no cradle under the motor. In most cases thats ok but when using an engine that is not of unit construction it get tuff to achieve longitudinal rigitity. | ||
| Oldog |
Curt that sled is awesome!  what would the cost be finished? in round $ I like the photo in the thread, where are the battery and the various other bits? in the tail? | ||
| Chasespeed |
I would imagine so, there is PLENTY of room in that tail for an AGM battery.... Chase | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Regardless of the fact that it may not run rings around a XB or a GSXR or a ZX on a track, it is still way cool. Major props to Curt for building a bike that I've built a hundred times in my head. Keep this thread alive. I know TRAMP wil appreciate it when he gets back from his overseas mission of goodwill and metaphysical conjurings. | ||
| Curt |
Oldog. The battery is under the tranny between the frame rails. Under the tail section is wide open, could be used for anything. All the electrics are in the massive headlight. |
