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     Slingshot |
Hi guys sorry i don't participate on the threads more as most of you are way better able to help figure out problems then me. My pristine x1 went down on the left side. I was going about 20 to 30 miles an hour. Bike got alot of road rash. My question is what problems could have occurred that I don't see. Example broken motor mount, The passenger peg seems like it got bent inward, could this have bent the frame. Any help or ideas would help greatly. I am a very avid fan of this website. Thank you very much for any help. | ||
| Mmmi_grad |
uhhhhhhhh dont know. One thing to note about the x1. She will go where you want to go very easy. What does that mean? Well there is steering adjustment that most people overlook and that is the steering bearing adjustment. Now I know how to do it on the cruisers but Havent looked to see what the deal is in the Buell manual. Basically if the steering bearing is loose your front end will tend to flop to the left and right with too little of force. Plus bearings get beat up. On the cruisers you lift the front end off the floor and get the front end strait. Tap on the wheel and it should fall away slowly. If it just flops right over its too loose. The important part here is to get the wheel to fall away slowly to the left and right. Ofcourse our Buells dont have a big front end raked out. Too bad about your bike. happened to me last year but I was on the liviing on the edge and over turned into a bean field at about 55 mph. My frame doesnt act like its bent. I would bet your isnt but only an experienced frame adjustment can tell. | ||
| Oldog |
You low sided, left side..? There is a prescribed method in the FSM that covers the steering head bearing adjust, Flopping was not part of it IIRC. It may be in the S1 manual on line here on the site. PM me if you need the details, I would only do a visual on the front unless other damage is appearent. general post crash inspection, the motor hangs in the frame, inspect the tie bars and isolators, swing arm and shock. and in general the frame at all attach points. ( including under the tank ) both on the frame and THE MOTOR.. ( for example ) you are looking for, cylinder head steady front, cracking at any attach point. on the older s1 they are known to be a problem.. cracks or kinks in the frame finish. indicating bending cracks in the aluminum swing arm, at shock, axle or bearing bores. check the clutch cable end into the primary the peg mount and shifter linkage are likely damaged, beyond cosmetic damage, a function check of the shifting if any difficulties are noted a closer check in the prmary is in order. the passenger peg mounts bolt on its not likely that the aft end area is bent on the left. replacements pop up on e-bay if you don't want new. I bet the rider peg mount is toast. post some pics, between us if you low sided I would be shocked if the frame is bent..... | ||
| Hans |
"Basically if the steering bearing is loose your front end will tend to flop to the left and right with too little of force. Plus bearings get beat up." The steering head bearings must have no drag. The "drag" comes from the stiffness of attached cables. To test the bearings, hang the bike in straps, attached to the frame. Firmly grab the forks, pull and push them to test the bearings for free play. You should hear no knock, or get any other indication of free play. The handlebar must turn freely from lock to lock without, somewhere, a graunch or notchiness. Hans | ||
| Blake |
Slingshot, The passenger pegs are unlikely to affect the chassis as they are mounted to extensions hanging off the main structure of the frame. No worries there, bend back in place as required.  A low side generally only does very minor cosmetic damage and is not likely to cause engine mount or frame damage, just bent up extremeties like handlebars, pegs, levers, shifter, a scratched tail section is all. | ||
| Blake |
Why is everyone talking about steering head bearing adjustment?  | ||
| Djkaplan |
The service manual for a 1999/2000 M2 does say that a certain amount of bearing preload is necessary in the steering head. This preload is apparently measured by the amount of drag it causes. I've never actually checked it with the 'fish scale' the manual shows, though. I do it the way as Hans describes it. I don't know why we're talking about this either. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Okay, since I have a little experience crashing the X1s  ... Other than cosmetic, as Ol'dog sugested.. Shift linkage, replace.. remove rear pegs hanger(straighten slowly if so desired).. Is there any damage on teh case at all? I assume there is, right twoard the front of the derby cover, where the clutch cable goes in.. 30-40, should be only scratching..as long as the clutch cable, and the mount isnt worn though, and leaking fluid, you are okay there... Bars, clutch lever.. Is your front axle scratched or damaged? There are 2 foam pads, on the front of the frame, on each side, where the top triple contacts the frame, CHECK THERE for cracking, dents, ANYTHING(other than the foam being worn)... IF the axle has any marks, on it, OR the area where the triple can contact the frame, you are gonna wanna get the front end off the ground, and "relieve" the forks. They can sometimes get tweaked, and usually, just loosening the bolts holding the tubes in the triples, will solve that. I believe everything else has been convered.. These bikes crash well, to say the least. Oh yeah, after my last lowside(ALOT harder and faster crash than 40), my base gaskets leak, and I developed a few other leaks, which will be dealt with this winter when I have the time to tear my own bike apart instead of everyone elses crap.... Chase | ||
| Djkaplan |
"These bikes crash well, to say the least." I've had two lowsides (one at speed) and one highside on the M2. Everything sticking out gets broken or rashed, but the basic structure stays pretty intact. I made it through each accident without scraping the pipes or ripping the air filter off. Ironically... I dropped my bike in front of my house at a dead stop when my foot slipped on the pavement, and my header pipes hit the curb and were dented (that's really the reason why I have a race kit on my bike now). | ||
| Malott442 |
Experience? Chase, you have a PHD. As "doc" stated, you may need to relieve some tension from the forks. Also, believe it or not, check all the bolts on all the covers. The frame will NOT bend, or at least it shouldn't. Passenger mount is pretty good at absorbing damage, as is the stock handlebars. I went on a gentle high side (flop into a slide) at 65 and it didn't bounce much. But when I took it around town for the first time after cosmetically repairing it my derby cover fell off somewhere on I-64 in Norfolk. I pulled up to a redlight with oil spraying on my leg. Yay. Good luck on the bike. Also, if your tail is hurt, polish it. Doesn't take long, and it looks MAGNIFICO! matt | ||
| Slingshot |
Hi guys thanks alot for the info, I have the insurance people coming next week. I do not want to miss anything as it is the other guy thats paying. Clutch lever is bent could the handel bars be bent. I got banged up pretty well and can't ride. I'll have to get someone to test ride to make sure that the motor runs and it shifts. Any other info would help. Didn't seem to hit the primary, my biggest concern is with broken motor mounts, isolators, frame etc. 1st accident in 35 years of riding. You guys are the best! | ||
| Oldog |
Okay, since I have a little experience crashing the X1s That is an accurate statement. Blake, Why is everyone talking about steering head bearing adjustment? ? it was mentioned before ? I second Chases' comments on the tree inspection and checks. Oh and I forgot , GLAD THAT YOU ARE ALL RIGHT ....} | ||
| Chasespeed |
Matt, you oversized goofy ******** Hey brother, welcome... about time you logged into here.... Anyway, surprised you dont have my reply to your favorite qoute.... GET THE DAMN BIKE OUTTA THE F**CKIN STREET... Oh FK, the cops... LMAO I will never forget that... Word the the wise, Codl D208s(even after a nice rolling burnout), cold pavement, and drag racing a triumph on one wheel...yeah...dont mix... BTW, Matt was my partner in crime while I was stationed in VaBch... Man, the stories he can, and probably will tell....  Anyway, back to work... Chase (Message edited by chasespeed on October 19, 2006) |
