| Author | Message | ||
     Denfromphilly |
I just had to pass along the link to this abortion. Check it out, the cam cover and sprocket covers don't match, the gas tank, hangs off the back because it's the wrong shape for the yoke. The burst into flame pipes are a redneck exclusive, the headlight an afterthought. For this crap we lost another classic... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Custom-Built-Motorcycles-Mutant-2005-Redneck-Buel l-Mutant-motorcycle_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10062QQihZ002QQitemZ4646330227QQr dZ1 excuse my ramblin.... | ||
| Sleez |
yeah, but like i always say; we gained a pile of spares, and increased the rarity of our bikes!! | ||
| Lake_bueller |
It took him 11 monthes to build that POS!!! Seems like with that much time, a blind chimp could have done better. Look how the tank fits. Kinda scary to think somebody is actually riding that beast. | ||
| Denfromphilly |
Scary that the blind are actually bidding on it too... what is that thing hanging off the frame near the sprocket cover? Do you think that nice braided rear brake line will take being crushed by speed bumps (or here in PA any road)? It seems to be inches off the pavement. I like the idea of our bikes rising in value but have yet to see it, they seem to be getting cheaper... | ||
| Buellzebub |
and he's selling it for the price of a regular m2 on e-pay... what a value! | ||
| Sleez |
just a matter of time, eventually all the good tubers will be owned by people who love them and the value will soar, relatively speaking!! | ||
| Oldog |
What a waste  but hey he's a "bike builder"  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
"but hey he's a "bike builder" Betcha he didn't have to use a welder or a hacksaw to make that chopper. Paint by numbers is not art and bolt-together kits are not choppers. It probably took almost a year since he couldn't figure out what end of the wrench to hold. | ||
| Firebolteric_ma |
DAMN!!! i usually like some of the choppers i see, using buell parts in a "artful" way but that thing is the WORST thought out chopper i've seen to date!! my kids HAVE made better looking bikes than that POS. | ||
| Denfromphilly |
Basically it's an assembly project and paint. He used the existing forks, yoke, rear wheel, sprocket and belt, brakes, mirrors, etc. I think it's a weekend project once you have a tank that actually fits and get it painted. Therefore about 2-3 weeks total. Obviously he ain't much of a mechanic or an artist. | ||
| Bluelightning |
You guys seem to be pretty harsh on other peoples ideas of what looks good. it out, the cam cover and sprocket covers don't match, the gas tank, hangs off the back because it's the wrong shape for the yoke. You obviously haven't looked at your Buell too much as that is the STOCK sprocket cover from Buell. The tank sitting like that (though I don't personally like it) is a signature look for Redneck with their aggressive styling. what is that thing hanging off the frame near the sprocket cover? Again, you really don't look at your own bike do you? Not meaning to start a flame war, but if you are going to bitch about someone else's vision of custom, you should put up your better looking version before you start. I am in the process of taking a wrecked X-1 that I bought and making one of these. I have the curved tank and frame to make everything flow better, but to each their own..... I love my '00 X-1 and it is far from stock with the race fairing with billet and chrome parts. Just my $.02 | ||
| Denfromphilly |
So like art and movie critics should crawl in a closet until they can paint and direct better than the artists? George bush critics should shut the #&^% up until they can launch a more successful war or not get caught breaking wire tap laws? Actually I was fully awake the last time I saw my own sprocket cover. I know it's the stock sprocket cover, thanks for informing me, obviously I am retarded and you are not. The sprocket cover on my bike is the same color as my motor and covered by a chin fairing. Kind of looks thought out. I would not have mixed an M2 motor with a non matching cover. Joker can supply a cover that would work and is the right color. I would not have put on a stock sportster tank where it does not fit. I would have routed the brake cable different. I would not build that bike at all...it is poorly thought out, an abortion of ill fitting parts and I bet riding it would be painful. You would be all hunched over reaching for the bars with your legs stretched out over the BBQ of exhaust pipes. I can imagine the discs in my spine exploding into contact with my spinal cord every time I compress them over a bump. Bottom line, you build a pretty and artistic chopper and don't trash a perfectly good bike in the process and I will like it. You build one that rides and handles is comfortable and doesn't pogo and I will be really impressed. If you don't want a flame war then don't start a flame war. You singled me out for criticism and I can dish it out real good too. I am also ENTITLED to my interpretation of art and my opinion. I think that thing is a POS, PIG, DOG, and would suck to ride. You can't really think that bike is nice do you? Good gawd look at the handlebars, headlight and mirrors, they just don't fit the style at all! That bike needs to be torn down and started over...period. | ||
| Oldog |
destroying a ridable bike to build one of those is a total waste. the photo does not show enough detail to be sure about fit, finish is plain like the color though I dont like the lines and it has to ride and handle terribly whats amusing is that basicaly all of the "custom" parts are going to be given away if the "builder" paid retail for the bike. what a waste..... if it were built from a wreck (from rear) still poorly thought out. In fairness to the builder I admire creativity and skill, but there is little of either evident here. as for custom MY X1 has carbon and other non stick parts and a one of a kind dash so in a manner of speaking it's custom | ||
| Bluelightning |
I'm not saying that the bike is perfect. I singled you out because you bashed on a guys bike that he spent his own money and time to put together what he thought was a great looking bike (like I said before, I don't think it's perfect either, I just respect the individuals own artistic taste) and made the comment about the stock Buell sprocket/belt cover hanging from the frame. Have you ever built your own bike? Unless you have a rather large bank account, or have recently won the lottery, it takes money. So for the guy to say it took him 11 months, did you consider the fact the building bikes takes more than just "assembly", it also take a few $$. I don't like to test ride or even work on every POS Harley that rolls into the shop where I work, but that's the beauty about motorcycles and the aftermarket world, people can customize their bikes the way they want. I may not like it, but hey I don't have to ride it for the long haul. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I just think it is unfair for you to start a thread in the "Old School Buell" section to bash on someone for expressing theirs. For all you know the bike he started from had been wrecked and it was cheaper to start over with something with a better resale than our beloved Buell's currently get. I know that I'd be lucky to get $5k for my 00 X-1 with the motor work, custom billet and chrome parts, and even with the custom painted Eurocomponents fairing on it. But the trend of the cruising world has an eye for these little low sporty chopper bikes, we may not like it, but a fact is a fact. So when the day comes that something bad happens and I can't get a replacement frame or other parts, Heck yea I'll chop it and go buy another new Buell. Tubers are great, but since Buell shot us ALL in the foot buy introducing the XB's a few years back at such a low price, we are stuck. And finally, remember the opinions are like a-holes, we all have them and they all STINK! (mine included)  | ||
| Hippyjoe |
"And finally, remember the opinions are like a-holes, we all have them and they all STINK! (mine included)" Isn't it, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and MOST of them stink" ? That bike is Fugly. Even if you buy it and redo the tank & headlight, and trim the sprocket cover so it doesn't look stupid--take a look at the tail. That bend in the frame not only looks idiotic, it will provide absolutely no give on bumps. One of Indian Larry's trademarks was stretching the tail of a rigid so it would provide that little bit of give over the road. Another was controls that fit the rider for max comfort. That has got to be one harsh ride. Look at the pressure on your nuts with the kick-up thru the seat and backbone. With your arms and legs spread-eagled onto the controls, your nuts will be soaking up most of the road shock and supporting most of your weight. That bike ain't made for riding. While with some finishing touches it might look pretty cool at some points, overall it's just not a practical ride, which in my eyes negates any coolness factor. To me it's a prime example of jumping on the Harley Chopper Bandwagon, and so poorly executed it just screams "Poser." Worse yet, it screams "Newbie," a word which has no connection with the word Chopper. Newbie and Chopper, or Poser and Chopper, just don't go in the same sentence. Same as Bolt-on and Chopper. If the "donor" M2 was a wreck, then the seller isn't making full disclosure. If the "donor" M2 wasn't a wreck, why the hell would someone turn a bike built to ride into a bike that isn't--and looks like shit to boot? Not to mention the aptly-named "nightmare" pipes. Granted, the guy spent his money and spun some wrenches. The bike is up to 5 grand, reserve not met, which is more than I've seen any M2 go for lately on fleabay. Low-mileage '01 and '02 M2s routinely go for 4k, while mystery-built "Buell choppers" have been going for 8 and 12k on ebay. Which to me is ridiculous, considering a factory M2 will crap all over any chopper on any road for one-half to one-third the price of a mystery-built bike that's simply monkeying a visual trend. Just my .02. (Message edited by hippyjoe on June 09, 2006) | ||
| Denfromphilly |
Well, in particular, I dislike taking something creative and artistic, and destroying it to make something much less creative and artistic in the name of ego or profit. Like when the Taliban blew up ancient statues to satisfy the oppressive desires of some spiritual leader. Second, many of us are taught that if we cannot do better than say nothing. This is an oppressive rule that is recognized as unbalanced. Skills are so wide ranging that everyone would end up never talking about anything. Life would be like the Donna Reed 50's. We would all drive Yugo's since we would feel shameful to admit the truth that they are a piece of crap. It is not necessary to have skill to be able to judge whether something has quality and workmanship. Judging the worth of things is after all a human obsession as demonstrated by our entertainment. American Idol, People's Court, Dating Game, CNN, FoxNews, etc. Even South Park exploits our sense of judgement to shock and amuse us. In the past we chopped Triumphs, Norton's, BSA's, HD's, even Vincents! Can you imagine someone hacksawing the yoke weld on a Vincent? It makes me shudder.... Ya know what? 35 years ago there were tons of choppers. There ain't a single vintage chopper left, I have not seen one in years. They had poor design and rigid frames that fell apart. Same thing will happen again, maybe a few of the better engineered or artistic ones will survive but they won't take the pounding and pogo forever. No I have not built a chopper. Could I? Of course. In this day and age I could order every part I need and bolt it together myself. I can weld so I can make tanks. I can design and machine parts. I would need powdercoat and paint and that is all. Do I need to demonstrate that I have this skill so I can enjoy the entitlement of my opinion? No. Stephen Hawkings cannot wipe his own ass. But he is smart enough that I am sure he could teach me a better way to wipe my ass. But I should not listen to him because he cannot wipe his own ass better than me. Makes a lot of sense. | ||
| Denfromphilly |
No opinion stinks, some are simply less valid than mine....  | ||
| Hedcase |
These threads crack me up. Someone chops a Buell and the Buelly fan(atics) go indignant. Has anyone ridden one of these, or do you somehow already know how they're going to ride? Can't wait until Redneck comes up with a kit for the XB - the howls will be deafening. LOL! Here's something to consider: do you think zealous Harley-Davidson'ers were overly-pleased when Eric Buell took THEIR motor and wrapped it up with all that bodywork? "It's so hideous, and so un-Harley! I'll bet that thing handles horribly, and is uncomfortable..." I'm glad he didn't listen to THEM! I'm certain I'll be flamed for this, but I personally think these mutants are cool, and an ingenious idea - build a kit for someone who wants to chop a bike but may not have the skills to build one from scratch. Yes, I can wipe my own ass, but I don't have a shop or welder. It's a 'mutant' bike with special (blue) powers - let it live, dude. I also think it's very unfair to start a thread in 'Old School Buell' that bashes someone else's efforts. | ||
| Oldog |
Destruction of a servicable machine to build a choppa kit is IMO wastefull, some "builders" do excellent jobs some do not, Some alter the frame or other aspects of the machine to make it look cool or to make it comfortable to ride that bike is a HACK JOB building a kit bike is less about art (except paint) and more about part changing The subject bike IMO [ again ] is  Oddly shaped, hardtailed and IS uncomfortable to ride has a bad saddle placement,(see above) the pipes are likely to burn the rider, a ridable tuber was destroyed to build it, AND IMO [ to make some money ] Where is the creative genious ? Have I ever ridden a mutant? NO Have I ridden a hard tail YES the ride of a mutant has to SUCK Someone will buy it and have a choppa, If you like that type of bike Cool more power to you, Remember this is a Buell Enthusiast site the smaller numbers of tube frame machines that were built and are "old school" are becoming rarer by the day. As a rule most here dont like to see them cut up for that type of project, and that bike in our minds validates our view that most chop jobs are hacked up messes if you feel that I have "flamed you" sorry I apreciate a well done chopper but prefer my X1 to such machines, Its sad to see another tuber cut up for some thing like that .. hey Case we knew that there were just a handful of the oldest tubers built how many of each varient were built? how many of the other machines were built? there has been one de-mutation on this board kinda lookin for more.. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I don't like the bike... but then again, I think this is one ugly chick...  No, really... I can't see it at all. | ||
| Oldog |
I think this is one ugly chick... good illustration Leo would tell you that the mutant sucked too | ||
| Hedcase |
Dog, et al anti-mutantistas, as pointed out we just (respectfully) disagree that's all. These threads are usually the same though, "look at this mutant - let's bash the mutant. Then, we'll bash the mutant "builder" for destroying something we like." (To create something they like, by the way.) The reality is there's definitely a rising mutant population, and I don't care what anyone else thinks - this here is one sweet looking ride: http://www.clubchopper.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39898  OMG! Is that an XB chop?? The one that started this thread? Well, whatever - I'd ride it even with the leg-burning pipes. Maybe it would be better to kindly point out to the (perhaps inexperienced) builder that they should consider a few things that they might not have thought about (since they are obviously not a master builder like yourselves)? My first effort could quite possibly look like that although I'd chose a different tank as previously mentioned. I've already stated why I think the mutant kit idea is ingenious. Plus, they know a good, well engineered, quality donor! It's kind of a compliment, really. They don't offer kits for turning a Suzuki TLR/S into a Mutant Suzuki, do they? Hey wait, that's a good idea! But, what of the Suzuki TL lovers - oh the howling that would ensue! If they did offer a kit then there would be some folks that turn the beloved TLR/S into a mutant, and enjoy riding that around no matter what anyone else thought about it. I'm not sure how many of any Buells were built - they're all going to end up in the junk yard, or in somebody's private garage museum anyway, right? I kinda draw the line for my enthusiasm to understanding the engineering behind Buell bikes, riding/wrenching/riding/buy parts/wrench/ride... I do appreciate my M2 for what it is - unique, but a stepping stone to the XB platform, and if I were to get an itch to chop my bike i'd certainly consider going the mutant route. <url>http://www.redneckengineering.com/danny's_mutant.htm</url> - hideous indeed! LOL! You either accept change, or whine about it. I say embrace your mutant brothers - they're around because Buells exist, and in my book that's kinda cool. What the "tube savers" might want to do is work with mutant builders so you can offer top dollar for the donor bikes if you don't want to see them chopped? But, you already know there will be more built as long as the price of a pristine, low mileage, high quality tuber goes for, what, $3500ish these days? So, yes, sometimes it is economics. I'd argue it's also creative while knowing fully that everyone would not agree with me. | ||
| Tom_b |
I don't care for the mutant posted on the ebay link. But the one posted on the clubchopper link is cool! While I wouldn't chop a perfectly good buell, I would a beat or wrecked one | ||
| Seth |
The ad says it comes with "Nightmare Pipes"... ...to me that's a fitting description of the pipes and the whole rest of the Frankenbike. | ||
| Buellzebub |
...and they said riding a sport bike made you look like a dog making love to a football. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Then, we'll bash the mutant "builder" for destroying something we like." (To create something they like, by the way.) " But if their taste is bad... it's just bad taste. Someone thought this was a good idea, too.  | ||
| Chasespeed |
Yeah, that XB chop is slick as whale sh**... Been looking for a Xb9 motor for a while to try something like...maybe I shoudl just look for a cheap banged up bike.. But, I figured with teh 9 motor, I could upgrade later IF I wanted, and it wont be in as high demand as a Xb12 or regular EVO XL.. I didnt know Mutant made an XB kit...going to their website now..maybe get some ideas.. And as far as welding and making frames and stuff... People that criticize, have you ever dealt with trying to title a custom, without the MSO or a good title? The list of crap in some states even WITH an MSO, is daunting.. Chase | ||
| Oldskoolef |
You may hate it's style, but there is some creativity and fine bodywork done on the Vette. I am going to chop up a 97 s3 to make a Mutant unless someone wants to step up and buy it before I take it apart and make something I like from it. Almost all of you folks here bash and complain when someone takes a tuber or another Buell and takes it apart. I have ridden hardtails, softails, conventional swingarm, and monoshock bikes. I like all of them. I have a taste for different things at different times. If someone or all of you want to save the tubers from the people taking them apart, break out your checkbooks or shut up. | ||
| Hedcase |
I must confess: My true intentions are to actually create a new thread within BadWed - the "Mutant Strain" where folks can talk about Buells of all strains within the modern world. Both accepting one light, while recognizinng others. From within, and without. I may have mispelleded 'recognizinng' - those who care may chose to ignore that. Hedcase | ||
| Hedcase |
And, one other point. You demand "grand acceptance" from others for this idea, yet may not extend that to others. Why not? Hedcase |
