| Author | Message | ||
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| Sami |
Patrick, Removing Saddam left a vacuum in Iraq. That's one reason why "nation building" wars are not a good idea. Such wars always leave a vacuum to be filled by all kinds of competing ideologies. What would happen if Assad in Syria or the Mullahs in Iran are removed is the same thing that happened in Iraq when Saddam was removed, namely a vacuum will be created costing millions of lives. Kamala may be a chameleon for all we know, not that it really matters. | ||
| Ducbsa |
" It abandons the link between work and welfare established by welfare reform in the 1990s and re-establishes the principle of unconditional entitlement to taxpayer-funded benefits. " https://www.heritage.org/welfare/report/the-biden- child-allowance-examining-the-impact-welfare-work | ||
| Aesquire |
Australia is still kicking. Go! Aussies! | ||
| Aesquire |
What would happen if Assad in Syria or the Mullahs in Iran are removed is the same thing that happened in Iraq when Saddam was removed, namely a vacuum will be created costing millions of lives. Is that an excuse to just let hostile nations kill your people and thousands each month among their neighbors? The Iraq occupation was badly flubbed. Imho there were 3 major errors. 1. The New Iraqi Constitution didn't address the religious freedom issues badly needed. The Bush the Younger regime was foolish to not follow the example of Japan in 1945. We needed to give them the boilerplate path to a functioning Republic and then let them customize the details, with veto over key points. 2. Propping up a puppet government until a new one chosen by the People is SOP. But Bush rushed the transition without installing the foundation for one. The result was a regime that wasn't worth propping up, far too influenced by Iranian thugs. 3. The main evil ideology trying to fill the power vacuum was the Iranian Mullahs, financed by the CCP & Putin. The flow of arms and jihad from Iran and Syria was never stopped. A far better strategy than patrolling towns with our troops would have been to enforce the borders. Ideally, once the Mullahs lied that the Jihadi weren't really Muslim jihadist sent by them, each one killed along the border would have been burned. A terror tactic with the goal of forcing the Mullahs to admit their deceit, ( hah! ) and terrorizing the jihadi, who would see the greasy black smoke and the promise they too would be denied entry to heaven. I'd also have put big billboards on the borders with that famous picture of the naked prisoner led on a leash by their Female guard. Oh, the abusers deserved prosecution, but the psych value of turning that propaganda around with the caption "come and be our bitch" ( it's even meaner in Arabic ) would be great. The seldom spoken strategy of killing Jihadi in Iraq instead of New York actually worked, but at great cost. Better to kill them before they get to the cities, that next step not taken. As far as power vacuum in Syria, Barry tried to give AQ/ISIS/Muslim Brotherhood the country, lying the whole time. I complained then that it was foolish to attack a Russian Ally that had a functioning, if totalitarian regime, that was actively suppressing religious war, but pandering to the failing Iranian thugs who were promoting religious war. If, hypothetically, we conquered Iran, they could easily run a decent Republic if given some breathing room and a foundation of freedom. They still have people that remember the days before the Islamic Conquest. But that would take a commitment I don't see anyone in Europe having the cojones or dedication for, Just Joe may not be able to find it on a map, and the deposed Donald spent his time trying to End Obama's Wars and getting the Abraham coalition together. He wasn't going to commit to ending the Iran/U.S. war ( that few in the West even admit exists ) in his first term. Too much to fix from the previous Barry treason. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/03/03/former- ice-advisor-alerts-people-to-troubling-change-made -by-biden-team-n337138 Censor criminal reports.... Hide the crimes of the regime. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://babylonbee.com/news/hhs-nominee-refuses-to -say-whether-kids-should-be-allowed-to-stick-forks -in-light-sockets | ||
| Ratbuell |
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/03/03/former- ice-advisor-alerts-people-to-troubling-change-made -by-biden-team-n337138 Censor criminal reports.... Hide the crimes of the regime. But they want to publicize gun owner records....gee.... | ||
| Sami |
Patrick, I agree that major errors happened in Iraq and I also agree with not letting hostile nations kill your people. What I put to question is the whole idea of occupation, of conquest, of nation building. What has worked in Japan may not work elsewhere, because the people are different, their culture is different. Japan has a very homogeneous society. This is not the case with Iraq, where the society is highly heterogeneous, ranging from Sunnis, Shias, Kurds and many other competing groups. Iran is not much different in that regard. In what way have Americans benefited from occupying and conquering wars in the Middle East? The time, effort and money spent on such wars should instead have been spent on building American infrastructure, manufacturing and workforce. To quote Mike Tyson: "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth." Plans to remove this regime and that regime may look good in theory, but those plans rarely achieve their intended purpose. The Iraq war strengthened Iran and made it into a regional superpower. This was surely not part of the plan, but it does show the difference between theory and practice, between planning and being punched in the mouth. Here's a simulation indicating that a war with Iran won't go according to the plan: In 2002, the U.S. Military Conducted an Iran War Simulation. Iran Won. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/2002-us-mil itary-conducted-iran-war-simulation-iran-won-82906 | ||
| Hootowl |
In 2002, the US was still recovering from the Clinton administration’s “right sizing” gutting of the military. I very much doubt the results hold true nigh on 20 years later. | ||
| Sami |
Jeff, you're right that much has changed since then. But what hasn't changed is that wars are messy and expensive. Millions have died or been displaced, the Iraq war has left America with a trillion dollar in debt. How much is another war going to cost? I doubt it will be cheap. | ||
| Aesquire |
What that actually tells you are 2 things. The Clinton era military.... As Hoot said. Even so... A Unit, not the entire, of the U.S. Marine Corps could, with the resources of Iran, almost hold off the Entire Rest of the U.S. Military and inflict incredible damage. If the scenario allowed aid from Iran's patrons, and in 2002 especially, China, like more tanks and missiles, the Marine run Iran might have won. As is, without the centuries of experience of our oldest military force, Iran, TODAY! using Kamikaze tactics and missiles, is capable of tremendous damage to their neighbors and any stupidly deployed U.S. forces. And the damage to their neighbors may be nigh impossible to prevent, Even If reduced. But the Leadership Choices would make quantum difference in the outcome. Under Barry, and presumably Just Joe, the Rules of Engagement were literally insane. Not being allowed to stop oil trucks funding Barry's Muslim Brotherhood bros, for example. Insane ROEs kill both our services and native civilians. Hypothetically, if Just Joe got up at 3am to whiz, and was told Iran just blew up an American flagged tanker, he might call the Pentagon and order the Mullahs removed by then time he gets up from his afternoon nap. and to keep anyone from interrupting his milk and cookies with Dr. Jill, to do so in utter secret and news blackout. Rules? F%&$ 'em! Do as you think best, General Halftrack. Call me at 4. If that happened... Iran would be free by Noon. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2021/03/04/insanit y-wrap-158-embarrassing-biden-handlers-cut-him-off -after-he-offered-to-take-questions-n1429945 | ||
| Sami |
Then there is public support, or lack of it. The Iraqi invasion had some public support at the time, but there is not much support left for yet another war in the M.E. Not that public support matters given how the election went. | ||
| Aesquire |
Not relevant to the 3am temper tantrum. People get weird notions about how omnipotent or incompetent various enemies and allies are. The CIA spent years cultivating the illusion of awesome to intimidate stupid enemies and comfort ignorant citizens. Simultaneously they cultivated the illusion they were incompetent boobs to make stupid enemies underestimate them and make their jobs easier, while comforting citizens that they weren't a Dread Overlord Agency. That might seem contradictory, but half are going to believe one & half the other, so... Win. The Bush through Trump years wrecked the illusion both with big Intel fails like 9/11/01 and treasonous scum doing leaks. There were guys at the CIA who predicted that we'd be attacked. But their bosses didn't like that & downplayed the warnings. That's the nature of bureaucrats. After all, there's almost certainly a guy in the basement at Ft. Mead who keeps warning about Martians. He's also real good at spotting Redacted missile launchers, so his boss filters him. The treasonous leaks are a different matter. The same is true for the U.S. Military. The fighting guys and gals are very well trained and deadly beyond belief. Their civilian bosses don't use that capability wisely. You don't want Marines or Infantry Riflemen playing anti terror cops in occupied cities. Not if their orders are the typical Obama "look like you're doing something but don't rock the boat and actually kill bad guys." ( who Barry probably partied with in Pakistan ) A better example might be forbidding U.S. bombers from bombing SAM sites unless they were fired upon ( and the missile isn't even on the ground anymore ) during the LBJ regime. There's a reason his grave is guarded and they have sprinklers. Deadly stupid. Another group that gets unfair reputation is the French military. I wouldn't give a farthing for their Generals and usually consider the civilian government as incompetent jerks, but the troops are darn good. The gear, weapons, are decent too. Although the socialist/government/military/industrial parts have sometimes produced idiocies. Pre-dreadnought French battleships for example ( pre-WW1 ) are some of the ugliest things that ever sailed the seas, and because every company had to get a contract, weren't even compatible in speed and range of guns. Yet by WW2, they were world class. Then again, the U.S. Navy developed a super gun for it's new stealth Destroyer, then decided it couldn't afford the ammunition... | ||
| Aesquire |
https://carolineglick.com/biden-abandons-middle-ea st-peace/ | ||
| Sami |
I don't doubt the training of the troops, however their training is not suited for guerilla warfare. It's like bringing knives to a gun fight. Bringing troops to a guerilla war is the wrong tool for the job. | ||
| Aesquire |
It's not that troops can't handle unconventional warfare, it's that the Civilian leaders, with rare exceptions refuse to admit there's a war in the first place. Essentially there are two point five religious wars ongoing. Fundamentalist Leftist/Greenie and Mohomadean conquest. Both against Western Civilization. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt. | ||
| Hootowl |
The US military was born in guerrilla warfare. The revolutionary war was fought from behind fences, not in ranks on a field like a proper army (at the time). We do just fine with that stuff, as long as ROE doesn’t hamstring us. | ||
| Sami |
Jeff, true, but the revolutionary war had "home advantage", as it is called in sports. Fighting on home soil (or close to home) is different than fighting on foreign soil. Patrick, what you call unconventional warfare is called fourth and fifth generation warfare. Troops are not necessarily trained for that. Modern warfare is far more psychological than physical. Modern battlegrounds are far less on the field and far more in the mind. The culture war is an example of that. | ||
| Hootowl |
The simple fact is, Sami, that our military is trained for many kinds of warfare, psychological included. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information. | ||
| Sami |
One source is the book "Fourth Generation Warfare" By William Lind. There are different aspects to warfare, the physical aspect is the least important, the mental/psychological aspect comes as second, and the moral aspect is the most important. The fact is that no training can substitute for support. If there is no support for war, then training is of little relevance. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.wired.com/story/china-microsoft-exchan ge-server-hack-victims/ . | ||
| Aesquire |
http://jewishworldreview.com/0321/lowry030821.php3 | ||
| Aesquire |
https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/03/07/report- biden-admin-releases-at-least-part-of-6-billion-to -iran-that-had-been-frozen-by-sanctions-n338891 #$%& | ||
| Ratbuell |
...but the Lefties were scared TRUMP would start a war... | ||
| Sami |
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ozr9bwTPnmbv/ I don't know what to believe anymore. | ||
| Aesquire |
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/543072-biden-b rings-back-welfare The return of the Permanent Dependent Class, aka Voting Machine. The Plantation is back! | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17165/yemen-hou thi-rebels-terrorists Biden is well known for gaffes, and never being right on foreign policy. So we can expect a lot more dead civilians in Iraq and Syria, and.... | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-y orks-daily-memo-bidens-migrant-blackout I admit the excuse of the Psaki Press Czar that we have to respect the privacy of the people who are being tortured, abused, maybe killed, is Brilliant. That's so you can't get access to or interview or take pictures of the facilities or victims of The Occupier in the White House. People he INVITED to break the law and now is storing in containers. In the sun. without funding to feed.... |
