| Author | Message | ||
     Reindog |
President Trump is the only legitimate President. Biden is merely a Pretender. The evidence which I already enumerated in an earlier posting is incontrovertible and Biden's vote count and timing of that vote is statistically impossible. Stolen elections will become the norm if this is not fixed. At this time, America is no different than a Banana Republic like Venezuela. Now President Trump is unjustly impeached a second time with no opportunity to defend himself in the House. All he said at his White House speech was "supporters should march on the capitol to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard". That does not rise to a high crime or misdemeanor. We Conservatives are now being driven underground with no recourse to justice. We are politically suppressed, oppressed, marginalized and criminalized. This will not have a happy ending for America if the Democrats don't stand down. | ||
| H0gwash |
Could you please provide a link to that incontrovertible evidence or at least give the forum name and maybe a date? Please? | ||
| Pwnzor |
I have to say that as much as my gut feels like there is funny business going on, I haven't seen any real evidence. At least, not on the scale it would require to actually change the outcome. Every election I've voted in has been decided while I slept. I know some of you don't want to hear it. If I'm wrong, please cure my ignorance. | ||
| Hootowl |
Good lord, HW, reading the articles in this thread alone should convince any reasonable person that there was serious widespread fraud. Just one example are the sheafs of unfolded mail in ballots they were stuffing through the machines. How were they not folded if they were sent through the mail twice? | ||
| Hootowl |
A few audits would clear up the confusion. But they’re not being allowed. Which brings additional suspicion upon the process. | ||
| Zane |
I'm very much in the "the election was stolen" camp. I keep hearing that all questionable things going on election night have been debunked. Great, if they have been debunked, what are the facts? Where are the explanations? What was the explanation for the 132,000 midnight Biden votes? Why did the Philadelphia counting room keep Republican completely away from the counting and then throw them out and cover the windows. No one has said why that was debunked. I'll listen with an open mind but it has to be more than "oh that was debunked". Otherwise I have to think the election was stolen. | ||
| H0gwash |
Hello Zane- I researched your Philadelphia questions only because I did not know what state you were referring to regarding 132,000 midnight votes. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/06/ ted-cruz/ted-cruz-falsely-claims-philadelphia-coun ting-vote/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/trumps-wild-base less-claims-of-illegal-voting/ https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windo ws-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html | ||
| H0gwash |
If I am HW, let me know the state with your unfolded ballots reference and I will research. | ||
| Ratbuell |
You want proof it was stolen? Prove that it WASN'T. I dare ya. Falling back on "well, the courts refused to hear the cases" is a cop-out. Bring evidence. PROVE everything is on the up-and-up. If you want people to believe in the results...prove they're legit. I'll wait. | ||
| H0gwash |
That's not how US law works. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Sure it is. Look at red flag gun laws. It's ALL going that way, junior...better wake up and pay attention. Regardless, this is not a legal discussion. I want YOU to prove to ME that the election was fair. You keep asking for references, and articles, fine. Now, it's YOUR turn. You want us to believe the results? Prove it to us. Cite references, cite proof, show us examples. Hold yourself to the same standard you're holding us to. Make your case. PROVE IT. | ||
| H0gwash |
Thanks but no. You can't prove that something didn't happen to those who won't accept reality. I won't bother bringing a horse to the water if he won't drink. (Message edited by h0gwash on January 17, 2021) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Cop out. You know it's bullshit just like the rest of us. The only reason you aren't riled is because "your guy" won. Thing is...WE have proof. And, YOU refuse to admit it. Show me proof...and I'll stop. Keep hiding and redirecting and blustering? It proves your guilt. Innocents have nothing to hide. So...open the door. Prove it was legit. It should be easy, right? Since it's all above board? | ||
| Aesquire |
Some of the claims made by Trump minion/lawyers/fans seem not to be true. Since there was mass fraud in multiple states, picking out the ones that you can cross off is a job for historians, it's not over, and I lack trust in the people telling me there were bogus/mistaken claims. So, I have no proof that Trump won. I have no proof that Biden won. I have no trust in the vast majority of Leftist Dominated News, aka the Democrat Party Propaganda Arm. Russia, Russia, Russia... There is NEGATIVE credibility. Not just none, I EXPECT them to Lie To Us. So, Zero trust in the Election, 2020. All I really have to go by, is to compare lies from day to day. Day One. There was no fraud. Day Two. There was a little, but not enough to change the results. Day Three. It's too late now to change the results we like. Day Four. Even saying "stop the steal" is forbidden. You must be a White Supremasist, you hate monger. Day Five. Trump supporters ( that some lying sacks say are Antifa ) stormed the Capitol and came within a second of murdering everyone in Congress. So You ALL are banned from Youtube, Twitter, Facebook, and we are shutting down Parler, to prevent another Coup Attempt. F*&^ YOU. I did compress the timeline.  They aren't all exact quotes, ( although many ARE ) and I admit to being biased. But given the above sequence, and keeping in mind the Party Strategy of blaming their enemies of crimes they themselves committed, What is your conclusion? | ||
| H0gwash |
The proof is reality. It's the electoral map that handed Trump victory in 2016 and then handed it to Biden in 2020. It's Trumps failure to demonstrate to his own appointees that he was defrauded. You don't have to join it if you don't want. The world will go on. While Biden is my guy only in the sense he is *not* Trump, he is *surprisingly similar* to Trump, I'm not sure a robot could tell the difference. I don't claim he is any savior, I just think he sucks less than Trump. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Sorry, not buying it. Prove all the claims of fraud are false. Prove ballots weren't shipped in late at night. Prove there were no un-folded ballots counted en masse. Prove voting laws were not unconstitutionally changed just before the elections, to enable more fraud. Everything we're calling out - PROVE we're wrong. If we're wrong, it should be easy. So...do it already. In the meantime, I'll make you a promise. I'll treat Biden exactly the same way you treated Trump for four years. Payback's a bitch. | ||
| Crusty |
I'll treat Biden exactly the same way you treated Trump for four years.  | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't see a need to argue how much each sucks. I personally think they both do, but very differently. Yeah, annoying and full of crap, sure, both. It's the details that matter. It's worth arguing over why each one does, probably. You might not like how one of them Twits. I wouldn't know. I don't do that. Did Donald start a fresh war? nope. Will Joe? We'll see. That's the important stuff. I admit that Donald's economic policies made me a lot of money in my 401k, And I did like that. ( Barry didn't ) I'm very unhappy Donald didn't veto the Continuing Resolutions as promised and thus we still haven't seen a legal budget in a dozen years. Joe, other than Crime legislation he'd prefer you not remember, I don't think he's done anything of note legislatively. And I have to count the book about how much he's screwed us all for money with a grain of salt. I'd bet he has... but I'd only bet a dollar. How Joe voted, that's not at all happy making. Donald has no record like that to point to, just businesses and bankruptcy. The Proof isn't reality. What, that the Harris Coup succeeded? That Donald's coup failed? What version of which spin explains reality? The last guy in that Office I liked when he got elected, sucked in retrospect. And I was torqued at him for years while he was still there. | ||
| Aesquire |
PROVE we're wrong. If we're wrong, it should be easy. So...do it already. Nope, he can't. But neither can you. He & You can't prove a negative, and the Media and the Establishment has made it a black hole of reality. You can't argue with them. I'm not happy being uncertain, but I'm at least not taking it on faith. That's actually horrible, because I can't put my faith in the people reporting the news, that they aren't Editorializing. | ||
| H0gwash |
I don't think he's done anything of note legislatively And in similar fashion, Biden won the election by not talking and letting Trump talk his way out of the presidency and take the senate with him. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Conservative thought not being censored Fraud claims don't hold up The second impeachment sham I've pretty much stopped reading the American Thinker articles. Almost every single one of them is slanted to the point of being mostly untruthful. They preach to a very biased choir. I really wanted Trump to be reelected, because Biden is such an obvious piece of shit. However, he didn't win. I can't stand Trump on a personal level, but guess what - I don't deal with him personally, and other world leaders fear him. This ancient invertebrate we just elected is going to have us in some very hot water in very short order. | ||
| H0gwash |
I'll treat Biden exactly the same way you treated Trump for four years. Fine by me. I don't think anything I did would've made you act differently but I'll take the credit if that makes you feel better. | ||
| H0gwash |
I don't think we should say to one another what we want to hear, we should say what we should hear. (Message edited by h0gwash on January 18, 2021) | ||
| Pwnzor |
I've been searching for the things I want to hear, but found little to no substantiation for them. I wish it wasn't so. But you can wish in one hand, and shit in the other... | ||
| Crusty |
I don't think we should say to one another what we want to hear, we should say what we should hear. What's happening with Hunter's Laptop? | ||
| Needs_o2 |
Hogwash, So, I guess I should assume you believe Hillary didn't commit any crime by destroying subpoenaed evidence, simply because the broken system didn't follow through with justice. Anyone with ANY common sense would know that she did, but just because she's not behind bars doesn't make her innocent. Basic logic and observation tells you that the election doesn't make sense and appears manipulated on nearly every level, but I guess that doesn't matter merely because that those in control of individual states got the results they wanted, therefore it must be true. | ||
| H0gwash |
I'm not sure I trust Giulliani's Hunter claims, but I'll read non-opinion pieces on Hunter that will inevitably get posted in his own BadWeb thread. Hillary will probably avoid investigation because she plays nice and is not a threat but it does take a particular type of person to *want* to be a politician. I don't believe I've put her on a pedestal either. I agree lots of fraud and errors in this and all elections, but I disagree the conclusion that therefore Biden stole 7 million votes and Trump stolen none is logical. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hillary plays nice?  Then head of the FBI, ( a real POS ) on tv, said they had evidence that Hillary committed multiple felonies but he didn't think she meant to, so he wasn't going to prosecute. We now know she committed 33,000+ cases of destruction of government documents, bragged about that, lied about it, destroyed evidence subpoened, and lied about that. But she's untouchable. There is no equality in the eyes of the law for those in power. Wiped it? With a cloth? ( cackles ) Dishonesty, use of false names in E-mail to avoid FOIA oversight, was a pandemic in the Barry Regime. Even in a government of criminals, Hillary was a stand out. The only crime she has witnesses she didn't do in person was murder Seth Rich on the street by shooting him in the back. Twice. And of course, her hypothetical orders to murder anyone... Were erased. https://www.theonion.com/seth-rich-conspiracy-theo rists-publicly-apologize-as-pa-1846069164 | ||
| H0gwash |
Plays nice by modern standards, which have dropped. | ||
| Ratbuell |
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