| Author | Message | ||
     Ratbuell |
He's a perfect match to Blaz the Impaler. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/07/22 /blaz-the-impaler-nyc-mayor-de-blasio-has-a-banner -that-is-befitting-of-his-inc-n2572911 Comments section on that article has a perfect phrase for the City Exodus Syndrome - White Flight. And not only does he think nothing is wrong, but he's going to fight the Feds if they send in National Guard troops to stop the massive increase in violence: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de-blasio-trump-a dministration-court-federal-officials-new-york-cit y Clown. | ||
| Ducbsa |
https://issuesinsights.com/2020/07/27/florida-is-a -case-study-in-media-induced-covid-19-panic/ | ||
| Ducbsa |
Rich NYers? Why no mention of Aesquire?  https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/07/only_ the_times_could_make_victims_out_of_rich_people_fl eeing_new_york.html | ||
| Aesquire |
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margoli s/2020/07/27/heres-exactly-how-andrew-cuomo-covere d-up-his-deadly-nursing-home-policy-n715550 | ||
| Aesquire |
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margoli s/2020/07/27/ten-coronavirus-charts-and-graphs-you -need-to-see-n717577 Need I say these might be biased? | ||
| Sifo |
So why is it so hard to believe that lung damage can happen while asymptomatic? Happens with cancer all the time. Now there's this published in JAMA Cardiology... Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Like I said, even "mild" cases are having long term, likely permanent damage done to heart, lungs, kidneys, and brain. Meanwhile, the pseudo-experts around here continue to post links to political sites and complain that there's no science. Real data is out there. It's going to be hard to find in anything being posted here though. Real information gets ridicule. Sad bunch of fvckers you are. The real kicker is the praise for what Mike Rowe had to say, while completely ignoring the facts in what he said.
Meanwhile the idiots here call me stupid when I say it might be as high as 200,000 fatalities (A number that will surely be surpassed before the next flu season). When since the start of using antibiotics has the flu ever come close to these numbers?
That's a .5% IFR that he's talking about. Flu has a CFR of about .1%. I'm not sure if his numbers are accurate or not, but he describes a disease that is far, far worse than the flu, and the one in particular who consistently claims this it not be true, suggests Mike Rowe for President. Talk about living in a bubble, free from science and fact! Of course this in-dah-vidual still seems to have a hard time with understanding IFR vs. CFR, so this will surely not sink in how much worse than the flu Rowe claims this to be.
Yet we see numerous political pieces claiming masks don't work, will actually do you harm, and are nothing more than a sign of compliance to the dark overlords. Seriously, I'm used to seeing liberals twist their thoughts this way, despite scientific data showing their ignorance. It's disturbing to me to see conservatives doing the exact same thing all of a sudden. Where are we when both ends of the political spectrum ignore science? WTF!?!? | ||
| Aesquire |
Other than the common error that antibiotics are of any use for viral infection, I agree. Oh, and other flus than the 1918 plague have killed more than 200,000, but that's nitpicking.  You're absolutely right Pooh's Breath is worse than the average flu. I’ve accepted those numbers. Unfortunately, millions of others have not. ( Rowe's words, not your's. ) And millions, misinformed by biased "news" don't understand that every increase in personal contact ( opening bars, crowds on streets or in stadiums ) will spread an airborne epidemic & cause spikes in infection and death rates. One of the ironies of this Pandemic is that the efforts to slow the spread, ( success, unless you're in a Cuomo-de Blasio elderly abittoir ) Also slows the easing of infections. I'm not saying just letting a half million die this Spring is a better choice! It just would have sped up the arrival of the days the news would ignore the smaller numbers of people killed by Pooh's Breath as it runs out of high risk victims. Harsh, but true. As it is, we'll still be in the late-middle of the epidemic when the Next disease erupts from Chinese labs or markets. The flu is annual, after all, and Supreme Leader Xi isn't going to change his habit of lying about plagues to "protect his reputation". So, deliberate biowar or callous indifference to life, Covid-19 or -20 or Rabies Mutation 2020 ( imaginary airborne epidemic ) is & will be a killer for some months to come. Even when a vaccine becomes available, a lot of fools won't take it. And any vaccine for Covid-19 won't do a thing to protect against Covid-20/the Next Plague. Panic is stupid. Common sense in a plague is not. I'm not going to argue that the "risk number" is .5 or .02... I don't know, & still don't think we'll have firm numbers for months yet, regardless of bias/lies/spin. But I will use Sifo's numbers as a working hypothesis... https://medium.com/@kjacobs00/cfr-ifr-and-you-what-is-the-true-covid- 19-death-rate-c3c762c4f940 Because it's very well established that my 84 year old Mother has a 15-21% chance of dying, horribly, if she gets it. (Message edited by Aesquire on July 29, 2020) | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/07/28/fda-li st-of-potentially-dangerous-hand-sanitizers-with-m ethanol-expands/ Local news reports the same brand of Mexican made hand sanitizer banned for containing Methanol instead of Ethanol is still being sold at Dollar stores locally, with "made in China" and "made in USA" labels, but haven't heard if they bought & tested them. If you're evil enough to sell poisonous hand soap, then lying on your labels is expected. If you don't know the difference between alcohols and you're an adult, & too lazy to look it up? Go Darwin! | ||
| Ratbuell |
0.5% IFR is still nowhere near the "models" that were suggesting a 5 or 10% rate when this whole thing came out. Which, by the way, was being pushed by "another" poster here (since we're not naming names, apparently, for some reason). Remember the Imperial College model? Here's what happens when we guess: https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/16/the-failure s-of-an-influential-covid-19-model-used-to-justify -lockdowns/ Until you put accurate data INTO a model...you won't get accurate information OUT of the model. I have never said the virus is not real. I HAVE said, and will say again, that this virus is not the extinction-level event that the press, the politicians, and the social media idiots are making it out to be. This is not a 2 week death sentence if you catch it. Like I said, even "mild" cases are having long term, likely permanent damage done to heart Patently mis-stated based on what is in the article that you yourself posted. First, you use the term "likely". Speculation. But, that's standard practice when it comes to Wuhan Terror, so... Secondly, the paper you linked specifies that it studies patients who were released between April and June - hardly "long term". And not once in the article does it mention the anomalies/changes they found, were irrecoverable or "long term" situations. So, without getting into the science of the study (which is based upon "patients recently recovered from COVID-19 illness <who> were identified from the University Hospital Frankfurt COVID-19 Registry " with no mention of the testing that was used to identify them as COVID patients to begin with (a known issue worldwide - "if it looks like it might be COVID, just go ahead and call it COVID" is a directive directly from the CDC), this study is hardly what I would call concrete science. Compared with healthy controls and risk factor–matched controls, patients recently recovered from COVID-19 had lower left ventricular ejection fraction, higher left ventricle volumes, higher left ventricle mass, and raised native T1 and T2 OK, so....a little lower? A little higher? Barely measurable? Raised a lot? Where's the actual data? Are we talking fractions of a percentage point? Or multiples of a "healthy" amount? I don't see data...only observations. And I see nothing of the implications of these changes - what do these actually DO to a person? Do they even affect circulatory efficiency? Do we see these physical changes normally through the progression of life? Where's the frame of reference? Again - standard operating procedure for Wuhan Terror. Spew scary-sounding numbers, with zero frame of reference. Just like the truth that case counts are going up...but fatality rates continue to drop. Or "Florida reports hundreds of cases in a day"...without mentioning that the report covers and entire week's worth of data, and that day's case count was...19. Frame of reference. Full picture. (A number that will surely be surpassed before the next flu season). When since the start of using antibiotics has the flu ever come close to these numbers? Let's break down that statement. First, there's the speculation. Again. "that will surely be surpassed". Guesswork, and nothing more. Standard WuFlu Terror procedure. Second, there's the apples-to-oranges comparison - "since the start of using antibiotics". Well...sure. And once we start using medication against WuFlu, I'm sure THOSE numbers will drop as well. Yes, that's speculation...but with a basis in science - when you start treating a virus/illness with medication...that virus/illness sees a decrease. It's what treatment DOES. That's kinda why we DO it. If you want to speculate...how about "what would flu numbers look like WITHOUT medication?" What's THAT do to the big picture? | ||
| Sifo |
Other than the common error that antibiotics are of any use for viral infection, I agree. Viral pneumonia is a great place to grow a bacterial infection while your immune system is taxed with a virus. It's common. Oh, and other flus than the 1918 plague have killed more than 200,000, but that's nitpicking. You sure about that? https://www.wusa9.com/article/weather/accuweather/ coronavirus-compares-flu-pandemic-1918-1919/507-be d1e600-3285-49c6-abe5-c1367acab4b4
And again, antibiotics weren't in use for the 1918 flu. Or ventilators. Or many other modern medical miracles that have become commonplace. It's simply inconceivable that 675,000 would die today from the 1918 flu virus. I also believe that is a three year total, so we are really looking at an apples/oranges comparison. The flu, this is not. | ||
| Hootowl |
To reiterate, antibiotics have zero effect on viruses. | ||
| Hootowl |
Secondary bacterial infections, yes. | ||
| Sifo |
0.5% IFR is still nowhere near the "models" that were suggesting a 5 or 10% rate when this whole thing came out. Like I pointed out, you still don't understand IFR vs. CFR. Some states are certainly in that 5 to 10% range. MI for example is over 7%. I just calculated the current national rate. It's at about 3.38%. About 30x worse than the flu, just on this single metric. Like I said, even "mild" cases are having long term, likely permanent damage done to heart Patently mis-stated based on what is in the article that you yourself posted. First, you use the term "likely". Speculation. But, that's standard practice when it comes to Wuhan Terror, so... "Likely" because this is a condition that normally goes away with the infection that causes it. When it doesn't go away with the infection that causes it, it's "likely" that it's permanent. The "likely" is simply acknowledgement that there is a slim possibility that for some reason we don't understand about Covid 19, that this condition may magically disappear, unlike what happens with other ailments that can cause this. We do have to wait a few years before we can declare that the damage that lingers after the infection has cleared, is in fact permanent. It certainly seems irresponsible to assume that this condition will respond differently than what is normally seen from other infections, don't you think? But that goes against your political narrative. So I'm just curious, where does the published study (not an article) that I linked to, imply that this will magically clear? This study is simply confirmation of something I brought up long ago, that there are long term (as in damage that doesn't go away with the infection) conditions, "likely" permanent (only time will confirm this for certain), that are not the least bit like the flu that you keep claiming is just as bad. I HAVE said, and will say again, that this virus is not the extinction-level event that the press, the politicians, and the social media idiots are making it out to be. This is not a 2 week death sentence if you catch it. Why do you continually argue against something that nobody with any credibility as so much as implied? I guess you need this false argument to "prove" you are correct. I doesn't prove that at all. It simply proves you to be an idiot. Again - standard operating procedure for Wuhan Terror. You realize that you are talking about a published medical study, don't you? Not like the studies that you touted from CA that didn't manage to get published. From what I can see, the strongest language they use is that they think this should be examined with larger and more robust study. THIS IS THE SCIENTIFIC DATA YOU KEEP COMPLAINING DOESN'T EXIST. You really are an idiot! Second, there's the apples-to-oranges comparison - "since the start of using antibiotics". Well...sure. And once we start using medication against WuFlu, I'm sure THOSE numbers will drop as well. What do you think hospitals have been doing? The biggest problem has been the entire concept that this is just another form of flu has proven to be a completely failed paradigm. This is the paradigm that you are hopelessly stuck in. You aren't even bright enough to understand when information you are praising (Mike Rowe) are in direct conflict with what you keep claiming to be fact. You are a prime example of why a reasonable conversation, simply can not be had. | ||
| Sifo |
Secondary bacterial infections, yes. To reiterate, a common problem. | ||
| Aesquire |
Nitpicking! And provincial. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic The most recent, the 2009 swine flu pandemic, resulted in under a million deaths and is considered relatively mild. Again, I see zero reason to argue about the EXACT percentage of anything where you can't trust the numbers from biased politicians and media hacks who don't know the difference between water and dihydrogen monoxide. I don't dispute your sources or numbers, they may be spot on. Nor is it worth any great effort to point out that the Black Death ( bubonic plague ) centuries ago may have killed fewer people than the 20th century Spanish Flu but a higher percentage of the population, crashing society worse. That's more spin than reasoning. Worse than the flu. Absolutely. ( not one specific epidemic, but on average ) Worth extra care in washing, wearing masks at Walmart, and skipping the bathing in the blood of the mass suicides from the madness brought by Cthulu? Absolutely. ( just wait until September! Cthulhu Fhtagn!!! ) There's 2 idiocies I see in Media. ( out of thousands ) That they fake surprise, or are incredibly ignorant, that there would be a rise in reported cases when: Bars reopen, there are more tests, they change reporting criteria, there are mass gatherings of people passing joints, and the myriad of other reasons any sane and reasonably competent adult could easily predict. And that utter fools think you can't be concerned with civil liberty and also wear masks and keep a low profile when previous courts ruled decades ago that a public servant can indeed, temporarily suspend limits on dictatorial powers during an epidemic. Just because politician X is a lying sack exploiting this crisis doesn't mean it is not a real crisis. If you must rise in rebellion against the Machine, feel free, but don't spray me with spittle as you rant. And you might want to wait until things calm down a bit, since lying sack politicians are more likely to be exposed to spittle spraying Marxist useful idiots than most and Pooh's Breath may take your revenge against The Man, saving you the moral responsibility. Sarcasm intended. | ||
| Hootowl |
This is the kind of bullshit conclusion that pisses me off. https://www.foxnews.com/health/taller-people-risk- covid-19-survey Correlation is not causation. Idiots. | ||
| Ratbuell |
butbutbut...it's the exact kind of "science" that adds to the fear. Standard practice. | ||
| Thumper74 |
I had felt run down for the past couple days but attributed it to a brutal trail ride over the weekend and the bright idea to reorganize the garage and shed in 90 degree heat. I woke up with a 101.5 temp, generally felt beat down and some congestion. They wasted NO time getting me in for testing. I had an appointment in less than 45 minutes from the time I called. I waited nearly an hour for testing in a drive-thru arrangement, but got it done. We'll see. Pro-tip: If your gas light is on and you need to go a drive-thru testing center, make sure you top off the tank... | ||
| Sifo |
butbutbut...it's the exact kind of "science" that adds to the fear. Standard practice. OMG you're stupid! | ||
| Ratbuell |
Oh goodie...now we're calling each other names. •••• off. | ||
| Court |
I am heartened to see a group of motorcyclists who know as much, in terms of real facts, as Fauci and the good folks of CDC. | ||
| Aesquire |
Wtf? Check your meds, dude! The difference between aerosols and droplets is rather subtle, and is, to my surprise, decently explained in the article. Droplets sink to the ground and the boxes on the shelves and the shelves... Aerosols float around buoyed by Brownian motion. The real surprise is that anyone would think viruses would only be in big drops that rude people spray around. Huh? I thought airborne transmission was a given ( aerosol ) as soon as the Chinese government denied it. Re:causation is not correlation... Both ice cream consumption and murder goes up in summer. Ice cream causes murder!!!! | ||
| Ourdee |
Per capita, Alaska consumes more ice-cream than any other State in the USA. | ||
| Ourdee |
Largest quantity of ice-cream consumed by a State is Wisconsin. | ||
| Crusty |
Is sherbet considered Ice Cream? Or is it just a frozen novelty? | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Pure Sherbet is a novelty. Now Orangedream has real icecream in it, so it's a hybrid. I find it incredible Wisconsin eats more icecream than California. | ||
| Hootowl |
I sure wish my friends would stop fighting with each other.  | ||
| Ourdee |
May be Blake could lock the thread for a short time. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Lock it down until the CDC says it's safe to go out to the bars and argue about it! G | ||
| Gregtonn |
Wait...wait!! That might be too soon. Maybe we should wait 'til Sifo says its safe to come out. G |
