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     Hootowl |
They’re not concerned about floating ice melting. They are concerned about the antarctic and Greenland ice sheets melting. These would cause significant sea level increases were they to melt completely. But that’s not happening, so... However, it does little good to misstate their position and then ridicule them for it. That’s what the left does all the time. It’s the only way can feel like they’ve won an argument. Let’s discuss facts. | ||
| Adrenaline_junkie |
I believe that the "oceans will rise" argument was looking at the volume of ice currently ABOVE sea level running into the ocean, thus raising sea level. The math would have to account for both the ice currently in the water shrinking (lowering the level) and the ice above the water adding (raising the level) to determine if the total would raise or lower level of the surface. | ||
| Aesquire |
Don't be silly. You know better. The concern with melting ice raising sea levels is that the Ice on land, in Greenland & Antarctica, might melt. That would raise sea levels, just as they have been rising since the last Ice age. All the other glaciers in the world are a thimble full compared to the Greenland ice cap & it's a small fraction of Antarctica's. Miles high piles of ice. But you already know this. I'm assuming you went to grade school before they quit teaching anything except Communist Propaganda, or watched Discovery channel before they went to all pawn shop "reality shows", or History channel before they went to fake ghost hunters. And if you are too young to have any exposure to a real education, and too stupid to seek it out despite the Establishment wanting you ignorant and dependent, then you are probably incapable of maintaining a Buell. | ||
| Ratbuell |
She's...cute. The ginger thing is admittedly a fascination, that I have since cured. They're fun to play with, but don't try and keep one! Her current husband is apparently a good cook, or she's simply given up. When we were married she was about 105 lbs, we biked, we exercised, we were quite active. Now, she's nearly twice the woman I divorced. A lot of it is genetics - her dad is the ginger gene, and he's a BIG guy. And she's full-on, glow-in-the-dark-white, covered in freckles, carrot-top ginger. No strawberry blonde, no bottle-red...it's through and through. I can only guess the drummer thing is good cardio/stamina and a sense of rhythm? Either that, or the guitarist and the singer are always taken... | ||
| Hootowl |
“just as they have been rising since the last Ice age” Since the last glaciation. We are in one of many interglacial periods of the current ice age. | ||
| Ourdee |
I had a friend who was a drummer. I was always sneaking his sister out of the house. That guy just pulled down the best. I thought my wife was a red head. I got double lucky. She lived in a house that had a lot of iron in the water. She grew into a blond after she moved in with me. I now keep redheads at arms length. | ||
| Ourdee |
At the 20 minute mark there has been movement in the ice field:  This is what is done on my global warming days:  | ||
| Crusty |
That funnel looks like a plunger. "This Lemonade tastes like crap!" (Message edited by Crusty on September 11, 2019) | ||
| Tootal |
The ginger thing is admittedly a fascination, that I have since cured. They're fun to play with, but don't try and keep one!  I've dated a few, I just can't help myself! What you said is so true! | ||
| Dwardo |
Mmmmmmm ... ginger. I was discarded by one of those a while back. She was crazy as in she was institutionalized at least once that I know of. My current is not a ginger and she's even crazier. Last weekend's adventure almost taught me a lesson but not quite. But they're both half my age so that may play into it. | ||
| Ourdee |
 and 30 minutes later  | ||
| Ourdee |
enema mountain | ||
| Sifo |
Ourdee, you have a flawed experiment going there. The ice is floating up into an narrowed neck, preventing it from floating at it's natural level. That will force it to displace more water, giving a high reading at the beginning of the experiment. Supposedly, one other element of sea level rise is expansion of the water as the oceans warm. I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that this is a significant amount, but I certainly haven't tried to contemplate the math behind it. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Some expansion info here https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/volumetric-temp erature-expansion-d_315.html | ||
| Ratbuell |
Like the Talking Heads say - "there is water...at the bottom of the ocean". It's a LOT of material there, but I can't see ALL regions of water warming and expanding at the same time. Equatorial areas will expand, currents will warm some areas...but countercurrents will also cool areas. I can't see the mean temperature rising (or falling) more than a fraction of a degree in a given year, but considering how MUCH water is out there, that may be a significant volume difference. | ||
| Ourdee |
Yalp. It is just for fun anyways. I got the granite leveled during it.  That gave me an excuse to go to DQ for a butterscotch dipped cone of soft serve.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Regardless of taper, it looks like total volume is staying pretty unchanged... Might have to try it in a regular glass when I get home tonight, just for grins. | ||
| Adrenaline_junkie |
Funny, it looks to me like total volume has gone from 1000 ml to 950 ml. If ice wasn't bigger than water then water pipes wouldn't burst when they freeze in the winter. | ||
| 86129squids |
Bunch of dang geeks.  | ||
| Ratbuell |
That's because frozen water's O2 molecules behave differently - most of the mass (or is the proper term "volume"?) of ice, if I recall science class correctly, is actually trapped air. Ice IS bigger than water, and it is also heavier - witnessed by the fact that whatsit...90% of an iceberg is below the surface? Not heavy enough to sink completely - all that air again - but heavy enough that most of it submerges. Kinda like Guinness is lighter than Harp or Bass. Everybody says "I can't drink Guinness, it's too heavyyyyy.....". Then, why does it float on the top of a Half-n-Half or a Black-n-Tan? There. Geekdom, put to practical use - drinking.  | ||
| 1313 |
Everybody says "I can't drink Guinness, it's too heavyyyyy....." That's odd, I say it tastes like shit! | ||
| Hootowl |
The volume of water, in its solid form, increases with respect to its mass because the water molecules form a crystalline structure. If ice is a brick building, water is that building as a pile of rubble, to proffer a crude analogy. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Guinness Extra Stout is junk, IMO. Guinness Draught? LOVE it. Easy way to tell - brown bottles with tan labels = extra stout. The tall black cans with the nitrogen "widget" in it? Draught, just like out of the tap at a pub (and if the pub does it right, they pull Guinness with nitrogen, not CO2 like any other beer). Super-smooth and oh-so-creamy...mmmmmm. Nearly a vanilla or milk stout, so nice. | ||
| Ourdee |
Looks like it lost about 45mL over all. I hypothesize that if the water line started at 1000mL with the ice able to float freely above the water line, that the loss as related to the water line would be less or non-existant ie. the water line would be at 1000mL at the end of the experiment. Joe, it is your turn in a straight wall vessel. | ||
| Aesquire |
If I could talk to my Past Self....  | ||
| Sifo |
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| Ratbuell |
We need to get that (expletive) - and her "squad" buddies - the hell out of office. They have no business representing our citizens or our nation. It's an embarrassment. | ||
| Ebutch |
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