| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
Speaking of Communists it looks like the Russians were very busy supporting the Trump campaign - I'm sure you've seen the latest round of indictments. They really were afraid of Hillary. Also funneling money to the Trump campaign through the NRA and evangelical groups, it seems. Astonishing developments. You need better news sources. The FBI spokesman actually said they were working both sides. They were undermining our system regardless of who won. I have my doubts that they are going to like having Trump in office vs. Hillary. They already knew they could buy Hillary. Trump is proving to be problematic. This was easy to foresee for someone who was paying attention. I'm willing to bet the Russians were paying attention. It's going to be fun watching the details of all of this come to light. | ||
| Mtnmason |
 http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/16/sessions-orders-fbi-review-fire-christopher-wray/ | ||
| Aesquire |
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-16 /mueller-is-said-to-still-be-investigating-collusi on-with-russia According to a criminal who broke his oath and the law, probably on the orders of a criminal conspiracy fellow worker, the investigation will continue. Obviously meant to spin the announcement and imply false actions on the part of the administration. "According to a criminal who broke his oath and the law." Should be substituted for all anonymous leaks in criminal investigations. No one is supposed to leak. Leaks make prosecution difficult. Heck, every time the President spouts off on some criminal case he taints the jury pool. I remember a case in Bush the Younger's regime where a probably guilty guy walked because George said something. Barry spouted off repeatedly, and Donald continuously. | ||
| Fb1 |
I've studied the indictments ( https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/103 5562/download ), and the DOJ press release regarding the indictments ( https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/grand-jury-indicts- thirteen-russian-individuals-and-three-russian-com panies-scheme-interfere ). Here are the key takeaways:
Translation: No collusion, and no impact on the election. | ||
| Ratbuell |
What gets me is, this is EXACTLY the same thing Americans do at election time. They advertise for a candidate, and contribute to their campaigns. The only 2 differences? 1. They weren't Americans 2. They weren't necessarily campaigning "for" anyone, just trying to disrupt the system in general to try and create a "weaker" America. They didn't "fix" any votes; there doesn't appear to be any instance of hacking ballot machines or anything. All they did was advertise to Americans. | ||
| Sifo |
I hate to be this cynical, but it's pretty clear these indictments came from a failed investigation of Trump team members, that has every appearance of being run by partizan hacks in the FBI. Same folks who managed to clear Hillary. Long before she was even interviewed. Despite clear violations of the law. The point here is that what the FBI has chosen to make public, what they choose to include in any prosecution, is still likely to be tainted by the stench of that same political partisanship. More to the point, what the choose to ignore, is part of that same stench. It would be nice to think that the FBI wouldn't behave like such political hacks, but sadly, they have been shown to be doing so. It's true that I have no way to support that view with hard facts, but if I'm right, the facts that would prove it, will be suppressed. It comes down to, do you trust the FBI. With the people involved in this investigation, the same people assembled to clear Hillary of her crimes, then went on to investigate Trump, in search of crimes, are now looking to protect their own hides. Given their history over the past two years, do you doubt they would skew the facts, while covering their asses? Honestly, how is what they have indicted people for different that the entire Steele Dossier? The only difference I see is that the Steele Dossier was paid for by the DNC. Beyond that, it's still all trying to sway the election with made up crap coming from foreign sources. I really don't get it. Or maybe I do. | ||
| Sifo |
Looks like Ratbuell was posting as I was putting my thoughts together. I see we are on the same page. | ||
| Sifo |
Pretty much the point I was trying to make above. Who's NOT going to be indicted? Does Mueller Indictment Mean Clinton Campaign Can Be Indicted for Chris Steele? The FBI still looks like political hacks. What about George Soros? I also find it very interesting that the 1st amendment has very real limitations based on your lack of citizenship, but you can come here illegally and get those Constitutional protections. | ||
| Court |
Non-Americans . . . influencing elections and attempting to skew the votes of American Citizens? Sounds like the millions of ILLEGAL folks we're harboring in sanctuary citizens, paying the tuition of and providing with "enhanced" rights. I''d wager that folks and companies from Honda and Hyundi to Fiat and Vox amplifiers attempt to influence American politics to their own ends. If you want to make this seem a crime . . . . .you've miles to go. The Russians, even ifs the Hillary camp composed their script, did pretty much what everyone in the world did . . . try to do whatever they could to influence the elections. If there's a crime ( and it may be for a foreign entity to do it covertly) it's going to need to be proven and I suspect that'll be touch. | ||
| Court |
QUESTION: Did the Russians do anything the Japanese didn't do? | ||
| Toro |
Sifo. Just curious. If Robert Mueller brings charges against President Trump, are you going accept those charges or are you going to contend that the charges are bullshit because somebody in the FBI has it out for Donald Trump? | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo. Just curious. If Robert Mueller brings charges against President Trump, are you going accept those charges or are you going to contend that the charges are bullshit because somebody in the FBI has it out for Donald Trump? Answering a hypothetical question like that is impossible. If they charge him with some minor inconsistency in his memory, then yes, it's political. It's looking like they have absolutely nothing on Trump though, if you can believe the FBI when they stated that it appears that no Americans knowingly worked with people they knew to be foreign agents. That's paraphrasing them, but it's close enough. Do you believe the FBI is lying to the people when they say this? Do your trust those who lie to you? What would make you thing they might bring charges? Will you answer any questions, or just become a troll? (Message edited by SIFO on February 17, 2018) | ||
| Glitch |
One does not accept charges no matter who brings them. Will I accept that Muller brought charges against Trump (if that is hypothetical), of course I would. Charges are not facts necessarily | ||
| Mtnmason |
are you going to contend that the charges are bullshit because somebody in the FBI has it out for Donald Trump? Does the name Peter Strzok mean anything to you? If you're unfamiliar, this is the guy that is responsible for solidly confirming what most of us here already new quite well: Trump's predecessor infected the FBI/DOJ with partisan hacks. So to answer your question - yes, high ranking members within the FBI do, in fact, have it out for Trump. | ||
| Sifo |
It's interesting that the indictments we have are all Russian citizens, currently in Russia. They can't be extradited. They will never come to trial. The "evidence" against them will never be made public. All we have is a failed FBI investigation trying to legitimize itself. We are being asked to trust the FBI because... Trust us. This at a time when the clearly dropped the ball on being informed about a lunatic who was publicly stating he was going to be a professional school shooter. They were given his freaking name and social media account and failed to figure out who he was. I certainly feel safer knowing that these Russians will... Well, they probably wont do any thing different. They will continue with their lives in Russia. At least the killed Levoy Finicum though. Do we all feel safe now? | ||
| Toro |
Sifo. What questions do you want me to answer? I take offence to your troll statement. I expect an apology from you. The Robert Mueller investigation is ongoing. I'm really not sure why you are so confident that there won't be any charges against Donald Trump. Trump's own twitter feed reveals his paranoia about the Mueller investigation. If Donald Trump is really as innocent as he states he is, I would expect he would remain silent about the investigation until it has reached its final conclusion. A truly innocent man would not be so preoccupied with stating his innocence over and over again before all the cards were out on the table. I know that if I was in Donald Trump's shoes, and I knew I was innocent of any wrong doing, I would be perfectly content to let the Mueller investigation exonerate me in due process. | ||
| Tootal |
Donald Trump grew up in Queen's. I had a room mate from Queen's. The one thing folks from Queen's don't do is keep quiet! If you understand where the man comes from and what they are like it goes a long way to understanding why he does a lot of the things he does. Does that make it kosher for him to do and say certain things? Who am I to judge, I just know he's doing a lot of GREAT things and I agree with him 90% of the time and I'll take that over another Clinton any day! | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo. What questions do you want me to answer? I take offence to your troll statement. I expect an apology from you. As I said, I'd love to hear your take on BO & Benghazi. Here's the link... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=4062&post=2619482#POST2619482 A truly innocent man would not be so preoccupied with stating his innocence over and over again before all the cards were out on the table. Of course, it just isn't that simple in this case. He's not just a man. He's the POTUS. He's being excoriated by the press due to the constant leaks from the FBI regarding this failed investigation. It's beginning to look like the FBI plans to drag this out right into the next election cycle. Trump, especially if innocent, which has been indirectly stated by the FBI in their press brief the other day, should push back on this. You can take all the offense to the troll comment all you like. When you jump from a conversation you started, the moment you are questioned, you look like a troll. Not my issue. | ||
| Reindog |
If Smoking Bob Mueller is so impartial, why did he only hire Clintonistas for the "investigation"? Looks kinda biased to me. What say you, Toro? | ||
| Fb1 |
^ There were several examples cited in the indictment as evidence of the above. In one example, a U.S. person was paid to stand in front of the White House holding a sign wishing President Trump a happy birthday. Seriously. It's also interesting to note that the indictment alleges the Russkies of organizing a Black Lives Matter support group (called "Blacktivist"), and a group called 'Muslims for America' "...to promote a rally called "Support Hillary. Save American Muslims" held on July 9, 2016 in the District of Columbia. Defendants and their co-conspirators recruited a real U.S. person to hold a sign depicting Clinton and a quote attributed to her stating "I think Sharia Law will be a powerful new direction of freedom." ^ Collusion..............yeah, collusion! Then there's this:
^ Collusion! I mean, oh shit!! Um, I mean, collusion!!!
^ Count 'em: ONE count of "impairing the lawful functions of the Federal Election Commission, the U.S. Department of Justice, and the U.S. Department of State in administering federal requirements for disclosure of foreign involvement in certain domestic activities."
^ In the indictments the defendants are alleged to have stolen PayPal account info, bank account info, driver's license info, etc. Considering this operation began in 2014 - a full year before Trump announced his candicacy, could it be that "Muh Russia!" was simply as a "fundraising" operation?
^ Which could just as easily (and more honestly) say: There was no collusion with Russia by Trump or the Trump campaign. Repeat: There was no collusion with Russia by Trump or the Trump campaign. REPEAT: THERE WAS NO COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA BY TRUMP OR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. REPEAT: THERE WAS NO COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA BY TRUMP OR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
^ Boom, as they say. Hmmmm......another takeaway in all of this? Russians did indeed "interfere" with the integrity of the 2016 election. Result? Congress and the DOJ - with President Trump's FULL backing and support - are duty-bound to further investigate this matter and suggest and implement bulletproof election safeguards. Win. | ||
| Fb1 |
 ^ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9649567 81670694912 Rob Goldman, VP Facebook Ads: https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/10/hard-question s-russian-ads-delivered-to-congress/  ^ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9649440 88696049666
^ Source, more: https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/russian-indictments- prove-trump-won-fair-and-square/ | ||
| Fb1 |
Not my words:
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| Aesquire |
so you're saying that Trump committed widespread sophisticated financial fraud with the Russians? ( sarcasm, pop culture reference ) https://9gag.com/gag/ajEnwdG The actual interview is pretty good. The lady trying desperately to put words in the Dr's mouth deserves any mockery she gets. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Interesting developments regarding Gen. Flynn: http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/19/michael-flynns -plea-reversal-uncover-federal-corruption/ | ||
| Aesquire |
"A truly innocent man....." If you lied about me every day I could act like the Last President With Class, and ignore you. That's the George Bush way. Or I could unleash the hounds and illegally use the government against you. That's the Chicago Way. Obama and Castro and Mao. ( to be fair Barry is far behind Mao on the killings list ) Or I could accurately or childishly ( varies twit to twit ) call the liars out on a two for one basis until the public decides the liars are untrustworthy. There are other choices. But duels have been illegal for years. | ||
| Sifo |
to be fair Barry is far behind Mao on the killings list And yet he bragged about being good at killing people!  | ||
| Aesquire |
BTW. Hey! Donald! You're full of crap to say the cabal of Clinton and Obama FBI criminals who hate you are the reason the murder suicide in Florida wasn't stopped by the FBI. There's lots of FBI folk and I still think most of them are good cops. The shooting has nothing to do with you, no matter how narcissistic you feel or how often blamed for the hate of others by the Klan Party. You are Wrong. And yeah, I "snicker" get your point. But you're still Wrong. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, if you haven't realized Barry thinks very highly of himself......  Textbooks will have his picture next to Narcissist. I admit I don't know the medical term for someone who brags about killing people and simultaneously accepts no blame for anything. | ||
| Sifo |
No doubt the FBI can, and should be able to walk while chewing gum. They do however deserve ridicule, both for the Russian collusion witch hunt where they are in search of a crime, and for missing the boat on the school shooting in FL. where the shooter was turned in by name for threatening to do exactly what he eventually did. Right or wrong, the connection will be made on these two FBI fumbles. | ||
| Hootowl |
"two FBI fumbles" One. The first wasn't a fumble. They did it intentionally. Actually, you're right. It was a fumble, but the "fumble" was in getting caught, not in trying to put the frame on Trump. |
