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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sailor Jerry is ok, but it’s not Kraken.
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Julie
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 12:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://fbiaa.org/fbiaa-press-releases-list/statem ent-fbi-agents-association

"The FBI Agents Association appreciates FBI Director Chris Wray standing shoulder to shoulder with the men and women of the FBI as we work together to protect our country from criminal and national security threats. As Director Wray noted, FBI Special Agents have remained steadfast in their dedication to professionalism, and we remain focused on our important work to protect the country from terrorists and criminals—both domestic and international. Special Agents take a solemn oath to our country and to the Constitution, and the American public continues to be well-served by the world’s preeminent law enforcement agency."

Direct quote, the FBI re-ordered their honorable oath:

"terrorists and criminals—both domestic and international"
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 12:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“Special Agents take a solemn oath to our country and to the Constitution”

Sounds like several broke that vow.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Constitution these days, has a very liberal interpretation among many.

I'm more of the textual and originalist camps...because that what it actually freaking means...
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think anyone is calling into question the dedication and loyalty of the FBI "footsoldier" agents - that is not the issue here. The issue is the bad apples who were politically motivated, at the top of the proverbial FBI Food Chain, who ordered things like changing 302 reports, and "looking the other way" for certain charges and certain people. Not to mention the whole "go spy on Americans" orders.

The target here is NOT the Bureau at large, and those involved (including the President) have made that abundantly clear. The target is the top-level corruption.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 09:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Constitution these days, has a very liberal interpretation among many.

I'm more of the textual and originalist camps...because that what it actually freaking means...


"The Constitution doesn't need to be re-written.

It needs to be re-READ."
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't even know what that statement means. Stand by Director Wray in what context? Regarding what?

(Message edited by macbuell on February 02, 2018)
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The target here is NOT the Bureau at large, and those involved (including the President) have made that abundantly clear. The target is the top-level corruption.

First words out of our President's mouth this morning:


quote:

The top Leadership and Investigators of the FBI and the Justice Department have politicized the sacred investigative process in favor of Democrats and against Republicans - something which would have been unthinkable just a short time ago. Rank & File are great people!

-- Donald J. Trump, 6:33 AM - 2 Feb 2018



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/9593894 24806191104
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ask Levoy Finicum about how the FBI is serving the public. Oh... Wait... You can't. He was murdered by two FBI agents who then conspired to cover up the crime.
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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“Tip of The Iceberg” – The Pending Intelligence Memo is The Beginning, Not The End
CTH, Feb. 2, 2018

There continue to be questions about the substance behind the pending release of the House Intelligence Committee memo. With that release in mind, today it is worthwhile remembering this is the beginning of exposing the corruption within the DOJ, not the end.

For several years the U.S. justice department has maintained an attitude of non-accountability within its ranks. The Obama years elevated that attitude and provided multiple examples of a DOJ gone rogue.

A complicit media enables that attitude by engineering a false narrative the U.S. Justice Department was/is an independent fourth branch of government; unaccountable to congress and entirely separate from the executive branch.

The House Intelligence Memo is simply using the example of currently known FISA abuse to open the door and show the U.S. electorate how corrupt this unaccountable institution has become. Behind that door are very uncomfortable realities for all of those who constructed the weaponized agency; and also those who have benefited from it.

Consider:

- When IRS head Lois Learner unlawfully sent the 21 CD-ROM’s containing the “Schedule B” filings of over a million Americans to the Obama administration, the recipient was the DOJ. (LINK) It was the DOJ who was chosen to utilize the political lists in their “Secret Research Project“.

- When U.S. District Court Judge Andrew Hanen demanded DOJ lawyers attend ethics classes due to their false representations to his court – he was highlighting a corrupt DOJ. (LINK)

- When the case against the Bundy family was recently thrown out of court, it was the “gross malicious conduct” of the DOJ highlighted by the judge. (LINK)

The U.S. Justice Department has become a rogue agency weaponized against it’s political opposition in almost every jurisdiction. This is the pervasive attitude, an air of ideological unaccountability, found rampant within every corrupt system.

So it doesn’t come as a surprise when the epicenter of that attitude in Washington DC balks at the concept of having oversight, and thumbs their nose at congress by refusing to turn over the underlying FISA application documents.

- The House Intelligence Committee, Chairman Devin Nunes, has oversight over the entire intelligence apparatus, including DOJ/FBI counterintelligence and the FISA Courts.

- The House Judiciary Committee, Chairman Bob Goodlatte, has statutory oversight over the entire Department of Justice.

- The Senate Judiciary Committee, Chairman Chuck Grassley, has oversight over the federal court processes used by the U.S. Department of Justice.

- The Office of Inspector General, Michael Horowitz, is the internal DOJ watchdog.
[bold emphasis mine - FB]

Unfortunately the corruption appears systemic within the entire justice system. This is the problem currently being confronted. This is also a system being defended by a political media apparatus who have benefited from seeing their opposition targeted. The American people became the threat to their system. The American people became their enemy. This outlook sounds stark, but this is exactly the way the DOJ has behaved.

We The People are in an abusive relationship with the Department of Justice.

Representative Mark Meadows puts it thusly:


quote:

Because through all the “memo” news and headlines, it’s critical to remember why this issue is important and why it should matter to everyday Americans.

What this issue is all about: whether the Department of Justice and FBI, under President Obama, abused their surveillance authority against American citizens and political opponents. Put another way: was the Obama DOJ weaponized to spy on the Trump campaign?

Remember, in general, the DOJ and FBI spying on American citizens should automatically be met with MAJOR skepticism. That’s what the Fourth Amendment is designed to protect against. When those American citizens are ALSO political opponents? It should raise even more red flags.

So, take that principle, and look at what happened in this case. The DOJ spied on Carter Page, an American citizen. Red flag. Carter Page was also part of the Trump campaign. Double red flag. It should automatically raise questions.

Now, pause: we know about the Peter Strzok/Lisa Page texts, the “missing” texts, the McCabe concerns, etc. But this is about more. Focus on the dossier here–the political opposition research project put together by Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS, and the DNC by extension.

Quite simply: This infamous “Russian Dossier” was unverified political opposition research paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC. If the Department of Justice used information like that as a key part of getting a surveillance warrant, it would be a HUGE problem.

Now, from what we’ve already known for months, it sure looks like that’s exactly what happened: that the FBI used that very dossier to get a warrant. @Jim Jordan asked the FBI about it 2 months ago. I asked too. We asked for the FISA application, and the FBI wouldn’t show us.

We’ve asked repeatedly for information from the FBI, both privately and publicly. We’ve openly told FBI and DOJ officials–if we’re wrong, tell us! Tell us what was in the FISA application. Let us see the document. But we’ve been stonewalled for almost a year.

So the bottom line is this: if, in 2016, the DOJ and FBI used an unverified, Clinton/DNC paid-for dossier to spy on American citizens (and political opponents) in the Trump campaign, that is as wrong as it gets. If that happened, Americans deserve to know about it. Period.

I know we live in a hyper-partisan environment, and I know it can be easy to disregard any inquiry like this as party politics. I understand that. But this is so far above politics, folks. Lady Justice wears a blindfold. Her scale is supposed to be balanced.

If any Department of Justice, Republican or Democrat, put their thumb on the scale for the sake of politics–it would undermine the very fabric of who we are as a nation. Americans deserve the truth, one way or the other.

Last point: If you remember anything from this news cycle, remember: your right as an American to privacy from your government spying on you is critical. It is foundational to who we are as a Republic. Never take that right for granted, no matter the political party you belong to.



The release of the House Intelligence Memo is only the tip of the iceberg; the crack in the door to see just how corrupt the unaccountable Justice System became.

There are going to be many more revelations as the investigations into the FBI and DOJ continue. Combine that understanding with the pending OIG Horowitz report, and we have only just begun to see how bad this is…

The key aspect to begin restoring a system when it has fallen into the clutches of corruption, is to remove their internal image of unaccountability. The DOJ and FBI are part of the Executive Branch and they are accountable to congressional oversight. We need to constantly remind people of that, and push back against this insufferable media-generated narrative of the DOJ being an independent fourth branch of government.

Source, including multiple source links: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/02/ti p-of-the-iceberg-the-pending-intelligence-memo-is- the-beginning-not-the-end/
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456030/rober t-mueller-investigation-russia-collusion-obstructi on-justice-trump-tower-meeting-emails-hope-hicks

In a world where Martha Stewart is prosecuted for simply saying she's innocent, the appearance of lying to the press is criminal.

Martha was persecuted on the grounds that "I didn't do it" ( the Bart Simpson line ) was a criminal attempt to raise her stock prices. To a reasonable human that's a "duh!" & not remotely criminal. To the zealous federal minion it was proof of a crime. She did, I recall, spend time in prison because of the insanity and zeal involved.

Donald is no Martha. Although the hated rich better than thou reputation is close. The prosecution is similar. One public declaration of innocence vs. Endless twits. Trump's position on this isn't pure as snow. Change your spin? Lose a move, open the door for prosecution for lying.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Apparently the memo has been released:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo -released-what-it-says/article/2647937
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And here is the memo:

https://www.axios.com/read-nunes-memo-fbi-doj-fisa -mueller-7fb8bcb7-1f18-4294-aa95-628d2f67bcdf.html
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)





What a bizarre tweet from Comey. He seems to be comparing the rogue FBI agents to communists that were in our government in the 50's. The left is getting more and more brazen with it's communist ties. Do we have a "dripping with irony" emoticon?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So here is my take on the major points that are claimed in the memo:

1- The Steele Dossier, which was paid for by the DNC, was a major part of the information used to obtain the FISA warrant.

2- Even though they knew its source, neither the FBI nor the DOJ included this information in the application and did not inform the judge that the DNC had paid Steele to generate the dossier.

3- Steele later leaked information from the report to the press. The news stories resulting from these leaks were cited in the application as if they were independent corroboration of the claims of the Steele Dossier.

4- Steele is quoted as stating he was very anti-Trump and was desperate to keep him from being elected POTUS.

5- Andrew McCabe (former Deputy Director of the FBI) testified in front of congress that if they had not had the Steele Dossier, they would not have even applied for a FISA warrant.
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/memo_ and_white_house_letter.pdf
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To Summarize ... create phony evidence against Trump. Use phony evidence to get warrant to spy on Trump and conceal origins of phony evidence.

(Message edited by macbuell on February 02, 2018)
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-In telligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_em bed
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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McCabe knew that the FISA warrant was obtained using shady dossier and that all extensions were based on the original application. The 0bama administration then used information that Hillary paid for to justify spying on @realDonaldTrump. If I got that right should be game over.

-- Donald J. Trump Jr, 12:36 PM - Feb 2, 2018



https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/95948055 0242357248
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

His reference to McCarthy as a bad guy shows just how ignorant he really is.
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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So, there it is. The FBI took an unverified political dossier, paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC, and they used it as a central piece in their request to get a warrant for spying on American citizens and political opponents in the Trump campaign.

Not only that—senior FBI and DOJ officials knew about the Fusion GPS dossier's political origins and connections to Democrats, and they EXCLUDED that information from their FISA application. They didn't tell a judge that their information was unverified political oppo research.

The creator of the dossier, Christopher Steele, even told DOJ official Bruce Ohr that he (Steele) was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president"--and yet NONE of that information was shared with the FISA judge, and the dossier was still used.

On every level, this conduct from intelligence officials at the FBI and DOJ is completely unacceptable. Period.

We need answers. We need them now.

-- Rep. Mark Meadows, 12:43 PM - Feb 2, 2018



https://twitter.com/RepMarkMeadows/status/95948229 6775692288

(Message edited by fb1 on February 02, 2018)
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Memo: No FISA warrant without Dossier. Which means no Russia collusion story without Dossier. Which means no Mueller special counsel without Dossier paid for by Clinton/DNC. Shut it down.

-- Tom Fitton/Judicial Watch, 12:38 PM - Feb 2, 2018



https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/9594811964461 83426
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://truepundit.com/fisa-memo-leak-mccabe-admit s-fbi-used-bogus-steele-dossier-paid-hillary-obtai n-fisa-warrant-spy-trump/
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tom - this is a great response to your tweet from Comey above:


quote:

"Well, there's only one building named after J. Edgar Hoover." - brilliant @AriFleischer response to @Comey's absurd "McCarthy" tweet. @FoxNews




(Message edited by Hughlysses on February 02, 2018)
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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This isn't just circular reporting uncovered by the Nunes memo. This is full-fledged #FakeNews #MemoDay Why does MSM even want to spin this? Because they are implicated, they cannot admit fault.

-- James O'Keefe/Project Veritas, 1:00 PM - Feb 2, 2018



https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/95948670 2204145669



Why does MSM even want to spin this? Because they are implicated...

^ Ponder what this truly means.

What is "Fake News" ?
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Hillary and Bill are increasingly irrelevant, but if the lies and corruption ultimately lead to 0bama, I don't see how the Democrat Party survives. #MemoDay

-- Cari Kelemen, 1:02 PM - Feb 2, 2018



https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/95948728338 3562240
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why go on about that? Everyone not as stupid as Pelosi has known for months if not longer the Steele op-research paper has no basis in fact. It's been discredited. So what?

They aren't going to wave that in front of Congress when they call for an impeachment vote.

What they will wave, frantically, is every denial and evasion of the Russian sting operation. When Donald minions of the top level met with Russian agents who used op-research as an excuse to lobby for Putin in the Magnitski Act matter. Any public denials will be counted as lies about Russian collusion. And the Trump folk including Trump did apparently lie. Game set match, the anti-Trump Rs and Ds will declare.

None of this memo, FBI crimes, etc will mean anything tomorrow. Old news. Trump lied, end of story.

And as near as I can tell from the anti-Trump folk at National Review, Trump did lie. Good thing they prefer to hate Trump the American way, by complaints and claimed superior ideas. The Ds will have the same twits and use them to prosecute. This isn't over. The Really Special Prosecutor doesn't need the Hillary paid dossier. He's got Trump twits. Like Martha Stewart, simple declaration of innocence is enough.

No matter they didn't buy op-research from the Russians. No matter it was a sting. No matter that this isn't a real problem for you. Trump's team lied about a Russian contact, so he will be persecuted.
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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No way to downplay this. Forget your political views-when highest law enforcement officials use false info paid for by political campaigns to spy on American citizens, the 4th amendment has been shredded and none of us are safe.

-- Governor Mike Huckabee, 1:07 PM - Feb 2, 2018



https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/9594885 57692932097
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Fb1
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 02:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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For FISA surveillance to be used for partisan political gamesmanship is an assault on democracy. The DOJ, FBI spied on Americans associated w/ Trump campaign based on unverified claims made in a dossier paid for by the Clinton & the DNC. This is repugnant on every possible level.

-- Rep. Matt Gaetz, 1:20 PM - Feb 2, 2018



https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/9594917279 24088832
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Macbuell
Posted on Friday, February 02, 2018 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Since the warrant was illegal, isn't everything from the Mueller investigation fruit from the tainted vine? They can't argue inevitable discovery because there never would have been an investigation.

(Message edited by macbuell on February 02, 2018)
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