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Rick_a
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2017 - 07:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz.com/2017/08/14/ stunt-person-injured-set-deadpool-2-motorcycle-stu nt-goes-wrong


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhFwfmirLQ

Additional details. This was her first gig as a stunt rider and the speculation is that she was under qualifies.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/ho llywood/2017/08/deadpool-2-joi-harris-stunt-respon se/amp
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Henshao
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2017 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Supposedly they made her do a particular stunt more than four times, perhaps fatigue or mechanical failure was the issue.

A real shame. Seems like she was really hitting her stride in life. May she rest in peace.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, August 21, 2017 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sad. Prayers to family & friends.

We often forget that talented men & women do the stunts that make our entertainment so spectacular. We should honor these stunt people, circus performers, etc. at least as much as we do folk with a talent for memorizing lines and pretending to be someone else.
I Think I'll watch "Hooper" again.

It is inevitable that people will second guess accidents.

Often, they are preventable, and Safety Personnel have the job of educating away the preventable, an often thankless task, and not one well understood, and always turned into weird hostility by the Press.

So while some of the reported complaints are jerks, not all who sound like jerks are.

You can't make the Universe safe. Gravity and Inertia are real.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - 08:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The statements coming out by long-time professional stuntmen about this preventable tragedy are not good.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadp ool-2-motorcycle-death-leaves-stunt-community-aski ng-tough-questions-1030044


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She was a highly qualified motorcyclist racer but not an experienced stunt person," says Conrad Palmisano, a veteran stunt coordinator and second unit director with 47 years in the entertainment industry, including credits on Sleepless in Seattle, 21 Jump Street and scores of other productions. Palmisano expresses concerns about Harris' racing background and how it would prepare her for this particular stunt. "It is my understanding that she is reported to be a pro racer," he says. "But she rode 300cc cycles. The one she crashed on was 900cc motorcycle much bigger, more powerful.


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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If they had used a white stuntwoman in blackface, there would have been hell to pay. They did the only thing they could do, given the politically correct climate they helped create.
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Henshao
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 01:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Because white women are better stunt riders than black women.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 06:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bull crap.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 07:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd say the pool of professional black women stunt riders is likely a bit small.

A woman that by all accounts races small displacement racebikes is not a great candidate for Hollywood stunts were they essentially portray being relatively out of control, in this case on an open class sportbike. They are different worlds.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No, because they had a qualified stunt rider but she was the wrong color, and now the correctly colored unqualified woman is dead. Did you read the article?
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 09:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As far as motorcycles go, I've made good decisions, for the most part.
I wonder what she was thinking, did her ego get in the way?
I'm a racer, I know what I'm doing.
You can replace the word racer with anything, and get my point.
She was hired as a stunt woman.
Stunt people are always saying its all about safety.
Was she pressured into going over her head, or was she saying, I got this, no problem.
Where is the line between the movie makers making bad decisions, and the rider making bad decisions.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From the descriptions that I read, it was a nothing sort of stunt.
Like driving down a ramp, turning a corner and stopping with a rear wheel skid.
Eyewitnesses said that she hit a curb at full throttle and launched into a window.

I don't think speed was supposed to be involved in the little stunt she was supposed to do.

So I'm thinking either equipment issue or she tried to do something non-scripted.

I'm extremely curious about what sort of prep work was done to that bike.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I disagree with the author's assertion that she was unqualified to ride a 900 cc motorcycle because she raced 300 cc motorcycles. As if she had never been on any motorcycle in her life other than the 300 she rode at work.
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Mnscrounger
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Supposedly they made her do a particular stunt more than four times"

"From the descriptions that I read, it was a nothing sort of stunt.
Like driving down a ramp, turning a corner and stopping with a rear wheel skid."


That might be the cause of the crash right there. I could see a director looking for more excitement, ( especially in an action filled series like "Dead Pool"), asking if the stunt could be done faster, or with just a little more sideways, or sideways sooner in the shot. While still the same stunt, the parameters could have shifted to an unsafe point. The stunt coordinators, with a bunch of actors and film crew $$tanding around, Might not have been given the time to work out the details.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That seems most plausible. Like the professional version of peer pressure.

Probably the director told her to do something kinda dumb and she was too new to tell him "No."
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 01:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A "nothing sort of stunt" is not a stunt at all.

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No, because they had a qualified stunt rider but she was the wrong color, and now the correctly colored unqualified woman is dead. Did you read the article?



Yeah, obviously. There was likely a pool of qualified stunt riders, but she fit the description. What are you arguing, here
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Henshao
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I didn't see the second article, but I can admit when I'm wrong.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 01:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wasn't directed at you Rick...I should have been specific.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Plane crash news comes in two flavors. 1. Utter ignorance of flying and the common use of the phrase "tailspin". ( which I think is a cartoon, not an actual maneuver )
2. Fairly accurate first impressions followed by several CYA statements from the company executives trying to cover up poor maintenance or illegal employee exploitation. ( like forcing truckers to drive 18 hour days..... pilots scheduled without sleeping breaks )

Same is true for most news coverage with specialized fields the reporter is ignorant about. ( after all, if the Reporter was a stunt expert, he'd be a stunt man )

In this case we have a fatal crash and fifty yards of butt covering and second guessing. People who weren't there and don't know the deceased feel free to say anything.

Don't know if we'll ever get an unbiased report.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't know if we'll ever get an unbiased report.

Not unless you pay for it from the proper investigative agency.

About the only area that reporters are specialized in is reporting. That leaves 99.999%, give or take a bit, that they know little about, but will be expected to say something unique about, to get some detail in print that the other reporters don't include. More often than not, those details are not understood at all. Still dealing with that crap in my life.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2017 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Marvel in particular seems to have a thing for riders in their films being helmetless. This lady wasn't wearing one in this stunt (see article linked below). That's adding a huge unnecessary hazard factor to the stunt rider's task if they're forcing them to ride without a lid.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/joi-s j-harris-deadpool-2-obit
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