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     Snacktoast |
More lawlessness. How does a mob do this in front of the county courthouse and it's "unclear" where law enforcement officers were? Simple. It's being supported by government officials. We are no longer a nation of laws. I fear what will be required to return to being a nation governed by law. This, x100. | ||
| Crusty |
Don't shit on Pepsi. It's been my favorite soda for more decades than you've been alive. | ||
| Aesquire |
Pepsi? Can't stand the stuff. Mt. Dew, OTOH, awesome! Taste is taste. You're not wrong, just sadly mistaken.  In this case the rivalry between National Socialists and International Socialists is simply greed. Both want it all. Like 2 crime families. Different individuals, same bullets. | ||
| Aesquire |
Mtnmason, good catch. Communist agitator and false flag operative. When the organizer is a fake, and the violence is real, you know it's a setup. http://heavy.com/news/2017/08/jason-kessler-white- nationalist-supremacist-charlottesville-unite-the- right-organizer-bio/ https://everipedia.org/wiki/jason-kessler/ There are now claims that his involvement with Occupy and Obama are fake. however... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E 2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessle r-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m His blog and much of his facebook entries are erased. No doubt in my mind he's an agent. The mildly funny part is I can completely understand people protesting the Democrat Party trying to erase their past. This has nothing to do with black anger or "it's about time", more than a freaking century has passed. This is a reaction to folk like Milo who speaks the unspeakable and points out that the Klan is, was and ever shall be a Democrat Party action arm. This is Orwellian history changing. Never Forget. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/14 /gov-terry-mcauliffe-refuses-to-denounce-antifa-at tacks-on-journalists/ | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/14 /huffpo-contributor-outed-as-leader-of-charlottesv ille-doxing-campaign/ If I was falsely accused by agitators I would get a lawyer, and the home address of the leader. I suspect it might be impossible to take effective legal action. And of course I would never condone illegal acts. On an unrelated subject, what's a good back hoe that fits on a trailer I can tow with a minivan? | ||
| Hughlysses |
On an unrelated subject, what's a good back hoe that fits on a trailer I can tow with a minivan?  | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
That truck is sweet. I'll have to buy one for my son. I may even let him use it. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/08/15/abrams-cal ls-for-removal-of-confederate-faces-off-stone-moun tain/ Explain to me how this is different from the Taliban blowing up religious statues over 1000 years old because of hate? Oh, yeah, it's more evil than the Taliban since they claim God is dead and feel they must lie to protect their imaginary past. The Taliban are obeying the words of the Prophet. The Dems are obeying Lucifer. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HILLARY_ CLINTON_PASTOR_PLAGIARISM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEM PLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-08-15-10-07-55 Even Hillary Clinton's pretend Christianity is stolen. Remember Bill had a prop Bible with oversize cross on the cover they'd prominently display each time they very publicly went to church? But only during sex abuse and rape scandals. Of course, no man can see another's heart. In Hillary's case it would be like facing Cthulu. Drive a person mad from the mind rot of the Old Ones. | ||
| H0gwash |
how this is different from the Taliban blowing up religious statues over 1000 years old There is no difference to those in Charlottesville and elsewhere saying that confederate racism is their religion. | ||
| Hootowl |
The issue is one of the altering of history. The root of the problem is that the reason the civil war was fought has changed over time. The civil war was not about slavery and racism when it was fought, so having memorials to the people who fought it was not racist at the time. That it's viewed as racist now speaks to the ignorance of those making the claim. And from that, quite intentional, misunderstanding of history, flows the vitriol we see today, and the effort on the part of some to erase, rather than soberly reflect upon, the past. | ||
| H0gwash |
Communities are made up of citizens and taxpayers who have evolving ideas about what their cities say about them. Monuments regularly get built and sometimes moved and sold and or torn down without altering the time space continuum. | ||
| 04xl1200c |
That's untrue Hogwash. Monuments are being removed by a small group of people with no regard for the historical significance they have to the country. The hate group that sponsors the removal of Civil War Monuments is trying to alter the space/time continuum by erasing any mention of an era that did occur in America. I think the quote most have heard, " Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it" is accurate. If the world starts erasing anything that a small group becomes "offended" over, no statues, memorials, or even street names are safe more their "logic." I bet Anti-Fa and BLM would really hate it if the so-called ALT-Right groups started riots to have Martin Luther King's statues removed, and roads named after him either changed back to the original one, or renamed altogether because they are "offended." | ||
| Aesquire |
While I can admire the military ability of Robert E. Lee, just as I can admire the same in Erwin Rommel, or even Georgy Zhukov, I'm not a personal fan of any of them. ( Zhokov is IMHO over rated, naturally for the Hero of the Soviet Union. One who survived multiple purges. ) However, Jefferson Davis is not on my gift list. Leader of the Confederacy, founding member of the Klu Klux Klan, and, hard core Democrat, before, and after the Civil war. Monuments regularly get built and sometimes moved and sold and or torn down without altering the time space continuum Space time continuum? Nah. The deliberate re-writing of history to make the bad guys heroes isn't going to alter the speed of light or weaken the Strong force. It's just going to allow lying monsters to continue to prey upon humanity. This isn't some gradual realization that we should not praise the leaders of a rebellion against all that is good and the Forces of Light. This is a well funded, planned, and deliberate effort to erase history so that the Current Jim Crow & Klan Party can deny it's racist past and continue to exploit the people that to this moment they call inferior and use ruthlessly to turn Hate into Power for themselves. It's understandable that the Germans are ashamed that their now vanishing generation followed an ambitious madman with a gift for rousing a crowd, so enthusiastically that they turned a blind eye to vital train transport used to haul Gypsies, Jews, Gays, and other ethnic minorities to be slaughtered in the death machine. A machine proposed, endorsed, and admired by the progressive folk here, in England, and Europe. Understandable, but foolishly, and selfishly wrong. You don't like that statue of Robert E. Lee? Make a new sign for the statue, and honestly condemn his service to a bad cause. Tearing down the statue is a lie to the future. Evil men would have you believe that the Confederacy has nothing to do with the Democrat Party of today. No connection at all. That is a bald faced lie. That's why they tear down history, just like their spiritual brothers in the Soviet Union would erase figures from photographs of last months parades. Or The People's Republic of China denying people were killed in protests there is actual live video showing they did run them over with tanks. They would have you believe that slavery was the root cause of the Civil War. It was one of them, but not by any means the only one. Embargoes of machine tools to keep the industrial monopoly in the North. Trade restrictions as much against England as the South on cotton. Did you know the Confederacy was declared, and the war begun, even before Lincoln took his oath of office? That was rich men of the south ( Davis & company ) preemptively striking before they could be steam rollered by the new Federal Government. Having the Abolitionist Party take power was the final straw. Much like the Japanese at Pearl harbor. They had grievances. Some justified, others not. ( we cut oil shipments to Japan in retaliation for the ongoing conquest of China ) They too came to regret the preemptive action. And lest you think me a fan of the Confederacy, I am not. I was born in what was then the Territories, not even a State, that was the place slaves escaped to. I have heard the words of the escaped slaves in person. ( Rulo Nebraska was almost 100% the home of escaped slaves and their offspring. ) I was brought up on the stories of the Red Leg terrorists, and the terrorists on the other side, as well. Memories run deep in those places. | ||
| Hootowl |
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/15/college-stude nt-22-arrested-for-her-role-in-toppling-confederat e-statue-in-north-carolina.html It's statements like this, from the arrestee, that incite white people to join groups like the kkk. No one has their boot on your neck, lady. Grow up. | ||
| Sifo |
Monuments regularly get built and sometimes moved and sold and or torn down without altering the time space continuum That isn't what this is about though. This is an organized movement to erase all civil war monuments right now. They are going to the lengths of going in as a mob and tearing them down outside the law. The fact that certain Mayors choose to allow this lawlessness right under their noses, doesn't make it right or legal. It just makes the elected official complicit in the mob action. I had the displeasure of watching NBC news this evening. They showed Trump saying that both sides have blame for what happened in Charlottesville. I have to say that I agree with that assessment 100%. The folks at NBC clearly did not agree. They pretty much were making the case that white supremacists are so vile that they do not deserve protection under the law, period, end of story. This is very dangerous thinking. Our nation is loosing it's way. | ||
| H0gwash |
This is an organized movement to erase all civil war monuments right now This is not just a "right now" thing. This process has been going on for years by people in many different cities who have the authority in their jurisdictions to handle such things and these are the decisions made by the locals. The part that is "right now" are the imported protesters and counter protester who don't care what the locals want for their own city. They are happy to tear the city up, though, and then leave. | ||
| Sifo |
BTW, I've heard what happened in Charlottesville called terrorism a number of time by certain talking heads. Terrorism is using violence, or the threat of violence, to achieve a political end. While this could describe what the "counter protesters" were doing, that isn't what they were talking about. At this point, I've seen absolutely ZERO evidence that using a car to run people over was a planned event. Quite to the contrary, it was reported that several witnesses said it was a response to rocks being thrown at the car. Certainly the wrong response, but certainly not terrorism. IMO, anyone trying to claim it was terrorism has lost credibility. If I'm missing facts that would change this assessment, I'd like to be informed. Otherwise, it simply isn't terrorism to hold a legal rally to promote your misguided beliefs. | ||
| H0gwash |
I've heard a comparisons of the attack with ISIS recommendations for using cars as weapons. The methodology seemed studied and well executed. | ||
| Hootowl |
Sure, but the isis attacks are premeditated, and designed to further the islamic agenda. This ••••••• ran into people, ostensibly, because someone threw a rock at his car. Same result, different motivation. | ||
| H0gwash |
true that, there was no ALLAH AKBAR or SEIG HEIL or anything so overt. | ||
| H0gwash |
And at least he didn't do it in a Subaru or something. Sorry, sick humor. | ||
| Hootowl |
And I think it's worth reminding everyone that this idiot was on antipsychotic meds. Or, rather, off of them. I'm concerned that he'll end up walking by claiming he wasn't in his right mind. He's not...for obvious reasons...but that's no excuse. | ||
| Sifo |
I've heard a comparisons of the attack with ISIS recommendations for using cars as weapons. The methodology seemed studied and well executed. Motivation has everything to do with terrorism. Did anyone claim terrorism when a family in a SUV ran over some bikers who were harassing them on the freeway? Of course not. Same tactic though, and was well executed. How well studied? You are making a claim which I think you have zero data on. It doesn't really take much study to ram a car through a crowd. Actually, I think if it were studied, planned, and well executed, he would have used a truck or SUV instead of a Ford Mustang IIRC. You need much more than that to call this terrorism. The far left groups OTOH, planned to show up, with the intent of violence and harm, for the purpose of disrupting a legal rally that they objected to. That is pretty much the textbook description of terrorism. Both sides are pedaling hate IMO. | ||
| H0gwash |
I think it is unclear what terrorist group he might actually represent at this point. No one is claiming him. (Message edited by h0gwash on August 15, 2017) | ||
| Sifo |
I think it is unclear what terrorist group he represents at this point. What makes you say it's even terrorism. The most straight forward explanation is that it was a response to rocks being thrown at his car. | ||
| H0gwash |
I have not characterized it as terrorism, only some sort of premeditated attack. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hard to prove thought out deliberately done. Primed and ready? Perhaps. At this point we know little about the alleged killer. All we know for sure is the Mayor and especially the Governor are proven pathological dishonest. Conspiracy theories are going to be weird and on both sides. CIA plot. Conservative stooge. Progressive stooge. Aliens.. ( I've seen all except the aliens one ) I have no opinion from a few seconds of video. I do have a suspicion from the political actors involved that there is more going on than meets the eye. We'll see. | ||
| Macbuell |
Please provide facts that support premeditated claim. Seems to be a crime of the moment to me. If premeditated, why use a small sports car? |
