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     Rick_a |
Activists blaming Christians: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/ac tivists-blame-christians-orlando-attack/ Obama blames guns. Hillary blames guns. Trump blames immigration policies. LGBT groups blame Christians. How about we blame the young radicalized Muslim extremist pledging allegiance to ISIS? His father minimizing the situation is a little suspect. Seeing gays kiss...I think he knows more than he lets on. | ||
| Reepicheep |
In this case, it appears to be a gay radicalized Muslim extremist pledging allegiance to ISIS... which feels to me like we might be getting to the root of one of the real problems here...) I get the concerns about an organization that has a history steeped in violence and that calls for all sorts of evil things. But in these discussions, lets be clear about what is going to have to be done to stop terrorism. At the end of the day, and for a lot of reasons out of our control, we are basically to a large degree discussing who we are going to kill (because that is the only way we are going to stop them). I am not willing to fight and die against "Islam", and would not want to send others to do that job either. I would (I hope, if I am brave enough) be willing to fight and die to stop people from murdering gays for being gay. So I'm going with a really precise definition, and "Muslim" isn't precise enough. If ever there was a time to be precise, its when you are deciding who has to die.  | ||
| Rick_a |
We can all feel safe and secure now. "Gun Control" is now a matter of homeland security. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shoo ting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-ho meland-security/ Getting a very Euro vibe on the .Gov responses, here. | ||
| Hootowl |
Of course it's a matter of homeland security. The shooter worked for homeland security. Perhaps they should clean up their own house first. If they want to ban guns, they can. All they have to do is repeal the 2nd amendment. Until then, anything they do will be unconstitutional. | ||
| Court |
The sad thing is . . . the masses, the same folks who harbor no reservations about nominating a criminal for President, will buy into this foolishness. I wonder if the French are today discussing placing such restrictions on kitchen knives? The logic is the same. We must also escape the false sense of security of thinking that we can properly identify "insane" and mentally disturbed" folks that we can obviate this tide of violence. Folks who test "sane" . . you know, like folks who pass screening on multiple occasions to obtain both unarmed and armed security license and who come under the scrutiny of the F.B.O. on no less than 3 separate occasions and are cleared . . . can carry out such acts. Frankly . . . the most "logical" means to have averted this or at least limited the casualties to a number you could count on 1-handd would have been a well trained armed gay guy or gal. But . . . that starts an entirely new discussion. Government . . . . in my opinion as a resident of Manhattan . . .is more concerned with making us "feel" secure than our actual security,. Like it or not . . that largely falls in our own hands. | ||
| Sifo |
Don't forget to ban pressure cookers. The list of contraband items will need to grow endlessly. I hope the guns that performed this heinous act are locked away forever. Seriously, it's not about the hardware. It's about the ideology. ISIS was created and empowered by BO creating a power vacuum in an area where they existed and could then fund themselves with oil money. That was a huge f*** up! Putting that behind us, we must deal with the reality of what it is. It is a version of a religion that is in severe conflict with our Constitution and our way of life. It might be fun to believe that moderate Muslims can manage to live among us in our society. Unfortunately, any example of them gaining a significant population density tends to turn out the same way, over and over. It's not about finding the individuals that are not a problem. It's about understanding that as a whole, the Muslim religion is just incompatible with western civilizations. I know some will claim me to be a bigot for saying such a thing, but the reality is that it's the bigotry of the Muslim religion that is the problem. I refuse to be silenced by political correctness any more. It's time to say it like it is. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Xdigitalx |
Chain saws. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
The wife knew about attack and drove him to club for scoping it out?? | ||
| Aesquire |
It's a mistake to think that just arresting or killing "just the bad guys" will end evil. Another person will become evil, by choice, and take their place. You can NEVER eliminate Evil and make an Earthly paradise. Not with Humans involved. Barry did "create" ISIS. It WAS AQ, and The Muslim Brotherhood, and...and... and now because Barry is a Taqiyya man, ( or Apostate, as he claims ) his deliberate screwing of, well, Everyone who has not bribed him, has accelerated the process. But to be fair if Barry Soetoro had never left Hawaii, and sold Sea Shells on the beach while smoking Maui Wowie we would still have the problem that Islam is a man created religion designed to let evil men use hate to gain power. A Slave selling and owning political system that is incompatible with ANYONE ELSE. It's in the book. It's the PURPOSE of the faith, to rule ALL. THEY SAY SO. It's written down. So it's far more complex than "deciding who has to die." Say I used a Magic Wand to make Every terrorist die Wed. Thursday another person would be inspired to murder everyone he could at the Lesbian Bar down the street. Evil is created by man. It has no end. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/06/is lamist_or_progressive_its_getting_hard_to_tell_the _difference.html | ||
| Blake |
Bill, Who is proposing that we wage war against "Islam"? How about instead of deciding who ought to die, we figure out whether or not certain dangerous groups are waging war against us? If they are, then how about we decide whether or not to fight the war against them to win it? How about instead of deciding who ought to die, we decide who ought to be allowed in our country? Are we obliged to allow a subversive organization intent upon the overthrow of American Constitutional rule to exist in America? How about we decide that? When confronted with an existential threat, we must not be distracted by straw men or political correctness (propaganda). "Islamist" is the accurate word to describe those Muslims supportive of the totalitarian brand of Islam, meaning that which is clearly and unmistakably defined by the Qur'an and the Hadith, and much of mainstream Islamic doctrine. The Qur'an is a short to medium length book. MEMRI is a reputable organization showing all sides of Middle Eastern media content. Lots of good videos of Islamic leaders in their own words, and also some of radical reformists advocating to eliminate the totalitarian bent of Islam. Really excellent work. www.memri.org We cannot eliminate "terrorism." We can only confront those intending us harm. Might be a good idea to figure out who that is, no? That requires a free and open discussion about islamism and the threat it may or may not pose, yes? That requires knowledge about islamism and its adherents/supporters. Are we to believe them in what they say amongst themselves, or should we believe their propagandists who tell us that we're just miserable islamophobes, the "Islam is a religion of peace." | ||
| Ratbuell |
We need someone with the balls to close the damn borders. Nowhere does it say we "have" to allow people into the country. Until we can get a handle on our own issues- and the people who are already here - we need to stop the influx of...well, EVERYTHING. That's not discrimination. Isolationism maybe. But I tell ya what...if people start messing with my house, or my garage...I stop letting people on my property. Will someone be offended? Probably. Do I care? Not a whit. Screw "PC". It's time to offend some folks. People who want to kill me? I really don't care if they're offended, if it keeps me alive. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
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| Ferris_von_bueller |
http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/homeland-floats-nationa l-security-as-excuse-to-take-guns/ Our own government is part of the problem | ||
| Malott442 |
What's to say this guy is using ISIS as a cover to protect his family's name? I bet a dollar its only a matter of time before a lover comes forward, or an email/manifesto comes out. It was more honorable to his family to die a terrorist, than as a jaded gay man. It makes more sense to me than anything else. Concerning the wife, she might have discovered the truth, and his trip with her to "scope" the place was a cover story to hide his own embarrassment. Back off topic, I've heard 3 jokes about the shooting already. Two from cooworkers, 1 from a riding buddy. I'm pretty disgusted in how heartless and calloused we are towards our own citizens. Have we no taste, no compassion anymore? The only compassion left is purely relative to personal attachments and interest. | ||
| Aesquire |
Consider that if I decided to murder a bunch of folk I could give credit to the teachings of the Klan. Reporters would flock around the remaining public members asking for quotes..... How do you think those community leaders would respond? Would they be proud of me ( assume I killed a hip hop concert ) or condemn me and claim no connection? ( There isn't, in case boring slow is curious ) In the same way anyone could massacre and claim allegiance with ISIS. So how did ISIS react? Condemnation of his prejudice & violence? Were there parties in celebration in Gaza? So a fellow who reportedly has been to Saudi Arabia twice the last few... may have a real motivation quite different than religious zeal..... but that makes no difference. He and anyone has a home as a martyr in the jihadi. It's war. The Enemy knows it can't defeat us with conventional ways. So your neighbors are the weapon of choice. And the helpless are the targets. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Apparently, Texas knows how to take care of terrorists | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Don't let this story fall behind the wayside,... the killer was homosexual and the Islamic State claimed responsibility. He had at the least tendencies, maybe he went there to kill his lover before his family found out. All this was to keep the family secret. Maybe there is a whole community of Gay Muslims that want to come out but don't know how. LGBT community need to protest outside Mosq's. | ||
| Reepicheep |
That seems the most likely thing at this point, that this was actually gay on gay violence. The Jihadi rhetoric certainly doesn't help, and anyone calling for gays to be killed has blood on their hands. Anyone teaching that God wants people to kill gays has committed what I believe is the only sin God has said he can't forgive (blasphemy against the holy spirit). | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Islam is full of closet homosexuals. It stems from the way they view women. Ask a soldier that has served in Afghanistan and interacted with the people they will give you the down low on the "down low". | ||
| Gaesati |
This was an heinous crime perpetrated by a nut with an AR15 who chose to say he was affiliated with DAESH. If he is an example of the best planning DAESH could manage then they are doomed already. He was just a deranged person like the Sandy Hook killer. Both of these murderers had access to military style rifles which enabled them to be effective killers. They had easy access to these weapons. The constitution of the United Sates guarantees this access for good reasons. It is one of the things that defines the United States. Unfortunately, the death toll from guns is the price your freedom entails. Remember that many gun deaths are accidents. The vast majority are suicides which would occur regardless, by some other means if guns were not available. Many casualties of guns are due to criminal acts which would occur whether guns were legal or not. The mass killings are rare, albeit shocking, wild cards. If there were no guns they would use fire, bombs or knives. Guns and mad dog self styled terrorists are the least of your worries. Defending the ideals and values of your constitution is what citizens should worry about. If DAESH forces you to limit the rights and freedoms of your citizens in response to a perceived threat then DAESH will have won. | ||
| Hootowl |
"Islam is full of closet homosexuals." Sort of. For example, having sex with a boy is not viewed as homosexual in Afghanistan. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afg hanistan/8257943/Paedophilia-culturally-accepted-i n-south-Afghanistan.html Though, since it's a death sentence, unless your victim is s child, I would imagine that people who do actually consider themselves homosexuals are indeed closeted. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Ask a soldier that has served in Afghanistan and interacted with the people they will give you the down low on the "down low". There are some "detailed" posts deailing this from a Badwebber that did a couple of tours. Basically he said the Afghans consider that having sex with a woman is only for procreation. You are only considered "homosexual" if you want to live with a man. Casual "encounters" with men are considered OK. As the Badwebber said an Afghan told him "women are for babies, men are for pleasure, and boys are ecstasy". Pretty eff'ed up. | ||
| P_squared |
An oft heard saying in some countries, "Women are for reproducing, boys are for pleasure." There's also a term, "jundi raqm tisa" known as "Soldier # 9" in western translation. Let's not forget "bacha bazi" either. Unfortunately, there is a history of homosexuality/pedophilia/beastiality with a certain religion. Unfortunately, you can either accept that same religion is at war with the Western world, or put your head in the sand. You can either recognize what is true based on your experiences & critical thinking, or you can believe the MSM, politicians, etc. Islam is incompatible with Western civilization. It always has been. It's also the only current religion I know of that issues fatwahs saying homosexuality is allowed in the furtherance of jihad. The shooter's motivations were as tied to his religion as much, if not more so, than an attempt to "cover" his possible disgrace of potentially being gay. There's a reason I live where I do. There's a reason I never leave my house unarmed. There's a reason I never go somewhere/enter a room/building/etc. without having a plan: -To get out of there -To kill if need be -To protect my family & friends We are at war, and have been for quite some time. You can believe some folks when they try to deceive, but that's on you. Do your own research & plan accordingly, YMMV. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I think that's the hard truth we need to accept Gaesati. There is a price for freedom, and it acceptance of a certain level of risk. Though I think "not freedom" actually ends up carrying an even higher level of risk (ask a North Korean, though don't get caught asking them, or you and they will be imprisoned). The risks are different in the two scenarios though. And now that I think about it, as odd as it sounds, I would much rather be gunned down in cold blood (hopefully fighting back) by a psychotic shooter who is then prosecuted then killed by a dictator or police state who are bureaucratic and unaccountable, or die slowly in some work / concentration / reeducation camp. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Gaesati is right on the money. P_squared, I'm with you brother. If I have to go back to prison because I was defending somebody who couldn't defend themselves, well then that's just how it goes. | ||
| Graeme1203 |
Sorry for the late response, just catching up Sifo - Is there even anything currently going on with the IRA in Ireland? It's never in news that I see. Things have improved, but not gone away. The bombs and shootings have been replaced by knee capping and violent intimidation. Worked for a company in Londonderry/ Derry, still a very divided city. | ||
| Sifo |
Sorry for the late response, just catching up Sifo - Is there even anything currently going on with the IRA in Ireland? It's never in news that I see. Things have improved, but not gone away. The bombs and shootings have been replaced by knee capping and violent intimidation. Worked for a company in Londonderry/ Derry, still a very divided city. Thanks for the first hand accounting of the situation. If you don't mind, what issue(s) do you feel are the cause of the division? | ||
| Hootowl |
"military style rifles" Yeah, there's the rub. The AR15 is not a military weapon. It looks like an M16, but it is not. It has the same rate of fire as any other semi automatic rifle or pistol. It is also the most popular rifle in America. It is also NOT a high powered rifle, as has been continuously reported in the press. It shouldn't be a surprise that the most popular rifle in America was used in a mass shooting. I'm reminded of the tires on a certain metallic mint green 1963 Pontiac Tempest with a white convertible top and Michelin Model XGV tires size 75-R-14. |
