| Author | Message | ||
     Slaughter |
Here may I present a news media photo of those who some refer to as Catholic Terrorists I used to have family who were Baptists (DEEP Southern Baptists) and would at MOST refer to Catholics as "Papists" None of us has to dig too far to find their tribe gearing for conflict.   } (Message edited by slaughter on June 13, 2016) | ||
| Reepicheep |
Includes relatives of mine, or so I'm told. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Mac_Eoin | ||
| Sifo |
OK, I'm going to ask... What exactly is offensive about this cartoon?  Do the Dems support the LGBT community? I'm pretty damned sure the answer is yes. That certainly seems to be a pretty accurate statement on that button. Do the Dems believe Islam to be a religion of peace? Well they certainly seem to argue the point when it's alleged to be otherwise. The current Dem pResident certainly makes that claim. Their current nominee for President certainly makes that claim. So what is offensive? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
The cartoonist forgot the third button " Blame Guns" | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Ferris_von_bueller |
Slaughter, what's your point? The IRA didn't affect me living in the U.S. Likewise, Islamic terrorism, up until 9/11 didn't concern me either. The violence in the black community in Baltimore City doesn't directly affect me either but when those negative elements start encroaching on my comfort zone whether it be by unfettered immigration or forced Section 8 integration I take notice. The reasons why terrorists | ||
| Slaughter |
The terrorists haven't affected ME where I live either. What HAS affected me is the reporting in the popular media (formerly known as "News") and the Social Media's ERUPTION of (mis)representations... and people's sharing MEMEs, thinking they've made an argument. I'm just weary of generalizations of whole populations of people - those gays, those Muslims, those Baptists, those Catholics, those primitives (fill in the African tribe du jour), those Blacks, those Rednecks, those French, those (fill in the blank)... etc, etc, etc. We've all had terrorists in our past. We've all had mass murderers in our past - though sometimes they give out medals - see "Wounded Knee." I'm not really rationally stating that Catholics are terrorists or that they've affected me - though I have had family of friends actively supporting the IRA fundraising in the 50s and 60s. Fortunately for Ireland, it has toned down but that was all before social media or they'd still be at each other. | ||
| Pwnzor |
All ex-convicts are bad people. All those currently convicted are bad people. All cops are bad people. All three of these statements affect me personally, because they are not true and yet so many people espouse these things as gospel. I can only work to educate the ignorant, while not being stupid myself. | ||
| Malott442 |
I heard 3 jokes about the shooting today. Sure, maybe that is a coping method for the people spouting off at the mouth- but at one's place of work..... Truly embarrassing, how disgraceful can we get? | ||
| Slaughter |
I am a 2x ex-con. One drugs, one weapons. Cops are friends and riding buddies. One is riding up to Laguna Seca and camping with me this year. I've been held at gunpoint, knee in my back as I've been cuffed. Didn't struggle because I couldn't breathe. I've learned not to generalize in MOST cases. (don't ask me about fans of Disco) | ||
| Sifo |
The problem with calling the IRA Catholics is that it was far more of a political thing than religious. There is certainly no underlying threat to the world from terrorism from Catholics holding views of the IRA. Is there even anything currently going on with the IRA in Ireland? It's never in news that I see. Terrorism and oppression have been a fact of life from the very beginning of Islam. It's a part of their religion. Saying it isn't so is simply ignoring history. This isn't to say that there aren't decent people who call themselves Muslim. I'm sure there are. Unfortunately those people are pretty much what is called the a la carte Catholic who ignores what they don't like and takes what they do like. That doesn't make them a good Catholic though. I'm glad to have Muslims that choose to ignore the parts of Islam that tell them to kill non-believers. That doesn't make them devout Muslims though. As for things like the cartoon that some seem to find offensive, I'm still waiting to hear what is offensive. I refuse to give in to those who are offended by the truth. That cartoon simply points out a conflict that liberals tend to have in their positions. This is one of many. The cartoon aimed at the Republicans was based on falsehoods. To draw any sort of parity is to spread a lie. If someone is offended by having that pointed out, then they are part of the problem. I really don't care if they are offended. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
SMH, generalization is a product of a functioning brain. Without generalization medicine would never make it to market for few drugs are 100% effective. If aliens from outer space were to observe mankind I'm fairly sure they would formulate some generalizations based on their observations. There's nothing wrong or abnormal about being trepid when it comes to certain situations or groups of people that have a propensity for violence. You'd have to be a moron or a fool to wander the streets of West Baltimore after dark. (Message edited by ferris von bueller on June 13, 2016) | ||
| Slaughter |
FvB - true all. Generalization IS an innate defense but how far one chooses to carry a generalization is another thing altogether. | ||
| Sifo |
Generalization IS an innate defense but how far one chooses to carry a generalization is another thing altogether. Keep in mind, there's a world of difference between generalizations used to try to predict or understand what is likely to happen on a grand scale vs. generalizations applied to an individual that you have just met. I would generalize that we are going to have more terror events carried out by Islamic terrorists. I wouldn't use those same generalizations to predict if Omar, who just made an offer on my house, is going to carry out a terror attack. Those are very different things. I do hope Omar is willing to get his offer up to a reasonable amount. I'm just as willing to sell to Omar as anyone else. | ||
| Aesquire |
The terrorists haven't affected ME where I live either. Really? So you don't use airlines, fly airplanes, use public transportation, or buy any number of products including 5+year storage meals, .22LR ammo, vitamin pills or, say, "Oriental" carpets??? Or pay taxes, buy power, watch TV, read popular books, magazines, deal with Big City Police, or work anywhere that is not only a Prime terrorism target, in MY case, where terrorism has murdered fellow Union employees? Really? I guess I'm happy you live off grid and out of touch with the rest of the planet. Power to ya, and I'd love to visit. I, unfortunately, don't. ( I also don't watch TV, read Salon, or believe in UFO's, the JFK Conspiracy, or that 9/11 was an inside job. ) I'm at biological warfare target central. I have to do my job with an eye towards separating bombs from your Amazon order. Every day. I'm well aware of threats to your privacy, ( not from me ) and have been a first responder .... but not yet to a terrorist attack. Just accidents and normal assault, abuse, and idiocy. To Return to the Subject. Is Islam a faith written for the express purpose of manipulating people into killing for the power of the leaders? Yes. Simply, unequivocally, written down in black and white for all to read, who bother. Are all Muslims bad folk? Hell no. Not every Protestant in Ireland in the 18th-21st centuries was bad, nor the Catholics. Only a small, a tiny minority. Basic math, 200 Million ( agree you should be killed for mocking the Prophet (from polling) ) divided by 1.7 Billion ( Muslims (from Wiki)) works out to 0.118 potential supporters of terrorism, and potential terrorists. Actual active or easily "radicalized"? WAG says 20 million. (0.0118) Don't confuse the Faith with the Followers. Remember that leaving the Faith gets you the Death Penalty. So if born into it, you are stuck, unless you move to the United States, and a tiny handful of Liberal Enlightened societies. The Gay Night Club Murderer was born in the USA. When and how he got "radicalized" may never be known. For "radicalized" you can substitute, became devout. What is known is he was a POS, a violent A--hole who beat his wife. was overtly racist and allegedly ranted about killing blacks. So we can START with the Man was Crap to start with, and possibly would have killed people if he was ( just to pick on folk equally ) a Wiccan. However there is no Wiccan international organization that practices terrorism, slavery and mass rape as an OBEDIENT FOLLOWING OF THE FAITH AS WRITTEN. There are multiple such organizations in Islam. ( you might find some radical feminist Wiccans, I admit ) I hope that settles some questions. | ||
| Sifo |
What is known is he was a POS, a violent A--hole who beat his wife. was overtly racist and allegedly ranted about killing blacks. Actually, he sounds a lot like the stereotype of a Muslim. On a serious note, I read that his father was an Afghan Taliban sympathizer. My guess is that he was raised from birth to be devout (radicalized). | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, he's also the stereotype of a redneck. I admit most rednecks don't keep slaves today, while it is still a common practice in Africa & the Mid East. Stereotypes aren't people. Some people are stereotypes. https://pjmedia.com/faith/2016/06/12/what-does-sha ria-law-say-about-homosexuality-women-and-no-musli ms/ I look forward to the follow up article on why modern Christians don't enforce Old Testament Law. I'm not disputing that, I just haven't read the written word that I recall. And for your amusement & rage, twitter. https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/13/the-14-wor st-twitter-responses-to-the-orlando-pulse-shooting / | ||
| Court |
>>> I'm at biological warfare target central. We must be neighbors . . . | ||
| Sifo |
Sifo, he's also the stereotype of a redneck. True. But I doubt he has a rebel flag and listens to Lynyrd Skynyrd. I'm willing to bet that he kneels on a prayer rug and doesn't eat pork though. | ||
| Court |
I do not know the answer to this . . . . but, do you think any of the victims died, perhaps unnecessarily, as a result of being busy texting, snap-chatting and updating their farce book ? I'm reading about what some of the victims were doing and seeing these horrific images, taken by folks who were holding up iPhone and filming when, in all candor, I'd have been hauling ass. | ||
| Ratbuell |
I read one snippet of a woman who covered herself with bodies to survive. iPhone? What the •••• is an iPhone? I'm BUSY HERE....now LEAVE ME ALONE. Just another dead body...nothing to see here... I can't even imagine what that would be like. However...I certainly wouldn't be screwing around with "social media". Our society is...warped, to say the least. | ||
| Hootowl |
"I look forward to the follow up article on why modern Christians don't enforce Old Testament Law." I've answered that several times. | ||
| Blake |
This night club mass-murder was an attack against AMERICA by a murderous bloodthirsty Islamist enemy, period. Just weeks ago, Daesh very publicly called for all Muslims in America and Europe to perpetrate murder upon people in America and Europe. Yet our news media and our nation's leaders are for some reason seemingly very satisfied that this mass-murderer had apparently not been directly trained by or under coordinated command of Daesh. Isn't the threat of sleeper terrorists an even worse threat? The Obama administration and their lap dogs in the media are all relieved because had this Daesh terrorist been trained and directly coordinated by Daesh, it would mean that they had once again, as with San Jose, totally, egregiously failed to do their job. Surely they're looking for an internet video to blame the rampage upon. Avoid the spin and the politics and the social handwringing. There is but one directive. #1 We must stop the divisiveness and confront the enemy. Turning the focus towards how certain factions or groups within America may or ought to react is not where our attention ought to be. Shouldn't it be enough to say that ALL AMERICANS must unequivocally denounce such heinous mass murder, and show support for the victims and their loved ones? It's only going to get worse, much worse. Islamists are successfully entreating young disaffected Muslim men in the West, and convincing them that violent mass murder is the true calling of Allah and the example set by their model man, Mohommad. They're here and willing to murder and die for their cause. Let's please keep our eye on the real threat. (Message edited by Blake on June 13, 2016) | ||
| Aesquire |
Hoot, we have discussed it but I've not found the details. For everyone else, Hoot disagrees with my analogy "modern Christians don't execute you for eating shellfish, but some of today's Muslims execute gays" He may be right to do so. Our argument hinges on details of religious law. I'm not a scholar so he's probably right. I just want to read the references myself. The article I posted above hints I should look in Acts. ( Christian New Testament ) plan to look soon. | ||
| Aesquire |
I would like a better analogy to point out that Islam is deliberately written to be frozen in time. Modern folk of all faiths ( including Muslims ) no longer enforce All the ancient customs of our ancestors. Shellfish is forbidden in Jewish dietary law. ( There were reasons and they were good ) Some still practice that. Christians don't. ( the why on that i am ignorant of ) ...... But even the most devout that DO practice that custom no longer impose the death penalty. They have changed. The main Islam sects aren't suppose to. Hence our topic. | ||
| Blake |
Hey Bill, Please study up on Shari'ah law and the history of islamism, the militant totalitarian kind. Shari'ah is the law of the land in powerful Islamist nations including Saudi Arabia and Iran. It mandates executions for homosexuals, and it also suggests beating your wife when she disobeys. Women are second class citizens, so too any Jews or Christians; other non-Muslims are to be killed. Jews and Christians are allowed to live so long as they hand over the jizya, a special tax. Read the Qur'an, one with chapters ordered chronologically as opposed to by length. Understand the official Islamic doctrine of abrogation. Understand the accepted Islamic doctrine of taqiyya. You've been misled my friend. The Taliban throws acid on girls for going to school. Did you miss the recent cases where people were scheduled for execution for the crime of converting to Christianity? One in Pakistan, one in N. Africa. Astounding. Please don't defer to evil out of ignorance or fear of political incorrectness. Islamism, the violent totalitarian brand, is insidiously evil. It isn't mere religion. It is brutally oppressive violent totalitarianism. No interpretation needed, just their own words and deeds. You're right that we don't need to interpret Islamist religious text for ourselves. But you might want to at least read it and take some notes. | ||
| Slaughter |
Really? So you don't use airlines, fly airplanes, use public transportation, or buy any number of products including 5+year storage meals, .22LR ammo, vitamin pills or, say, "Oriental" carpets??? You missed the bitter irony in my responding in kind to a statement about the IRA not affecting him "where he lives." I am under no illusions about what we have underway. Sure as hell you/I/we aren't coming to conclusions on this narrow corner of social media. There's plenty of hate to go around. Some rational, some appropriate, much mis-directed and counterproductive. | ||
| Aesquire |
Gotcha. Thanks. Quite. Bottom line. This will happen again. Not all mass murder is terrorism. We have a problem with school age and older kids that seems to be tied into lack of moral guidance and mood control drugs. Antidepressants, ADD meds, etc. That is a separate subject and worth discussion. But that's different. This will happen again because the leaders of the theocracy tell us it will. Until they win. They openly say so. It's on their Facebook page & the Holy Book. I really don't think a rational human can deny that. The relationship between this pre-medieval cult and the ambition of the evil men who exploit it isn't that complex. But feel free to figure out how to sort good from evil. Westerners often think all we need do is separate evil men from our society and we will be rid of evil. Not so much. I'll let the religious scholar types point out the problem with that thinking. | ||
| Slaughter |
This just in - witnesses KNEW the shooter as a regular at the PULSE - 3 or so times a month for past few years... https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/report-orlando- nightclub-shooter-visited-222620444.html Can you say "Self Loathing?" He'll get his cloven-hooved virgins. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/13/se cond-generation-americans-proving-most-fruitful-/ |
