| Author | Message | ||
     Ferris_von_bueller |
What amazes me is how fast Trump learned to master being a politician. He has out trumped them all. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ted didn't shut down the govt. He filibustered a bad bill. You are supposed to do that. Seriously. I'm starting to think some of you are believing the Establishment. They hate Cruz. | ||
| Aesquire |
So..... Who's going to threaten to leave the country if X is elected? Bad mood at work today and I want to mock a celebrity type hypocrite.  | ||
| Airbozo |
"How is it a bad thing?" It's a bad thing for those that depend on a paycheck to support themselves and their families. "Ted didn't shut down the govt. He filibustered a bad bill. You are supposed to do that. Seriously. I'm starting to think some of you are believing the Establishment. They hate Cruz." Agreed. They hate Trump even more, so what does that tell you? I think that if "The Establishment" supports the demon over the devil, we will still all lose. They will also piss off a lot of their supporters and further disenfranchise voters they desperately need. This is going to be a very nasty election year. The fireworks will escalate at tonight's debate. Mitt stepping in to comment is a joke. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Trump - " I could have told Romney to drop to his knees and he would have" He certainly has no filter...lol | ||
| Hootowl |
"Not sure how shutting the government down is a good thing." Cruz fights for a small constitutional government. He said he would do that, and I elected him to do that. if that means digging in his heels to honor that promise, so be it. "It's a bad thing for those that depend on a paycheck to support themselves and their families." I'm sorry people are in that position, but I don't see a way to say no to big government and guarantee federal jobs at the same time. | ||
| Blake |
Air, I'll have to research those accusations against Cruz, but they certainly don't rise to the level of what I'd consider a lie, meaning intentional misrepresentation. Your talking at best semantics and minor details. If not 100% technically accurate, the gist is on track. Slate.com? Seriously!? Trump has lauded the Canadian and British health care. It is extremely rare for a president to put a nomination up for a SC justice vacancy occurring in a an election year, especially well into an election year. Obama and immigration? I think Ted Cruz knows far more about that law than we do. It looks like what he stated is accurate, unless you're a leftist who is eager to debate semantics. Again, look at the substance and his record. Cruz may be a lawyer, but he's a darn good one with a number of victories at the Supreme Court, all of which were defending strict constitutionalism, rights of individuals and states rights against the onslaught by Bush and Obama both. Conservative Texans love Cruz. That says a LOT! Picking on his religious faith is lame. He's rarely raised it without being asked. Sounds to me like you're over-exposed to the popular media. It's a mind contaminating thing. | ||
| Blake |
Air, It's always best to go straight to the source versus the interpretation of opposing partisans. Slate.com is chock full of leftist propaganda. http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/29/cruz-intervi ew-megyn-kelly-talks-amnesty-immigration-after-iow a-gop-debate Check it out. The video of the interview is included. | ||
| Aesquire |
The only person that can "shut down the government" is the President. Even though Congress voted to keep paying all the Social services checks, the President passed the word to make it hurt the public as much as possible. That's when armed guards told vets they couldn't walk across the park to their memorials. Yes, a bunch of people had their Government pay checks delayed.. no one lost a dime and were paid for a few days vacation. Why? Barry didn't want to spend one penny less than he wanted. He didn't want to have a legal budget, so he could pay back those who bribe him without you knowing..... unless you are one of the rare experts who actually read "continuing resolutions". The whole "shut down" was by the will of one man. Who blamed it all on others as he always does. And I assure you one very junior Senator does not have that power to veto a spending bill. The most he can do is stand there and complain. That takes 20 minutes. Tops. To filibuster under the original rules you have to stand there and keep talking until you fall asleep or have to hit the loo or embarrass yourself. When you walk out or shut up you are done. It's literally the one legal way to hold up a vote you think is going to screw your constituents. Under Harry Reid they changed the rules so his minions could just declare a filibuster, then everyone goes out drinking. That kept nearly? Every budget passed by the House from ever coming to a vote. Then before Harry left he changed the rules back. Now I'm all for evisceration of Congress. And the Establishment R's suck almost the same as the Establishment D's. That's what this primary is about. The folk like Carson, & Cruz want to overthrow the R leaders. The R leaders, I assure you hate Cruz more. They predicted Trump would implode and ignored him because he's a great weapon against the rebels. Now they are panicking because it looks like the game show host might win. I freely admit I'm no Trump fan. Not even fond of listening to Cruz. I fully understood your attitude. A pox on both their houses. But you got lied to by Slate and I don't even watch Fox. But. By all means speak your mind. You are only wrong on few details. Bad news is those wrong details are a bit important and it seems you have been lied to. | ||
| Pellis |
Not sure how shutting the government down is a good thing. The government shuts down every weekend. It was also shut down during the blizzard that hit DC back in January. Somehow the country survived. During the 2014 shut down, the pResident ordered barriers placed around open air memorials in DC that are normally open 24/7. | ||
| Sifo |
The worst thing that POS pulled was to prevent the military from sending home the remains of fallen warriors for a proper funeral with their loved ones. He is one sick f#ck! | ||
| Tootal |
That's right, he filibustered a bad bill and ended up shutting down the government. However, most of the government remains intact. At least Bozo couldn't enact any of his agenda! The man stood up for the Constitution and that to me makes him a hero. Anytime the government is down it can't screw the American people. | ||
| Reindog |
Yeah, the "shutdown" really ground America to a halt. Correct me if I'm wrong but no one lost any pay and the only people shut down were the ones for maximum political effect from this pResident. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Anyone who blames a government shutdown on one party is being a useful fool for the media. Obama was supported by less than 53% of the citizens of the United States, and then went on to govern as if he had 100% support. He made absolutely no attempt to serve the 47% of the US that did not elect him, yet are American citizens with full rights and privileges. Trump is the reaction to that. Which will be just as wrong if he wins. But which is also a fairly predictable outcome when you act as an intolerant bully. I'm not sure if Bush actually started it, or was just painted as starting it by a hostile and emotionally driven liberal media and entertainment elite. Fundamentally, I still blame the media. It's their role to communicated accurately and hold government accountable, and they have allowed their own biases and shortcomings to dominate their actions. The country is much worse for it. Think about how the media harped on a single sound byte from Bush... "No new taxes". They wouldn't let it die. Now imagine if they held Obama to that same standard about all the statements he made about being a unifier? Or that the ACA act isn't a tax? Or holding Hillary accountable for her statement that she had carefully vetted the information on her personal server and turned over everything that was responsive to all legal obligations (when clearly, the majority of the information she deleted was unambiguously related). I still blame the media. They are in the best position to hold politicians accountable and force them to be responsible. And they are stuck in some kind of juvenile, immature, and emotionally driven cycle of pushing naive and unworkable agendas. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Hughlysses |
Correct me if I'm wrong but no one lost any pay and the only people shut down were the ones for maximum political effect from this pResident. Many people were "furloughed" during the shutdown, essentially put on "leave without pay". They were not reimbursed for this time off. Of course this wound up actually costing MORE money than if it had stayed "open", as contractors working on things such as government construction projects were stopped as there was no one at work to oversee what they were doing. When the government restarted, the contractors were due money for lost time, shutdown/startup costs, etc. | ||
| Court |
>>>>>They were not reimbursed for this time off. That may warrant fact checking. I think ...... although I may be wrong .... They essentially got paid vacation and back pay. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I have several family members who are federal employees, and each of them was furloughed. Each of them received 100% of their back pay, and one of them got an extra 10% on top. | ||
| Hughlysses |
That may warrant fact checking. I can send you copies of my leave and earnings statements from that time if you'd really like to see them. I'm talking about the period ~2 years ago when they couldn't agree on a budget for something like 1 month. SOME employees were later reimbursed, depending on the agency. Employees at my agency (US Army Corps of Engineers) were not. For some of the shorter shutdowns, they'll send "non-essential" employees home for a couple of days, and they do get reimbursed for that time. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Well my relatives are G15 step 9 and/or 10's all in California ... not sure if that makes a difference or not. | ||
| Court |
No need to send earnings statements .... Your personal experience trumps media reports which were likely spiced up for consumption. | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ OK, and you're absolutely right about media. I realize I have it better regarding things like that than 95% of the free world who can walk into work on any day and be sent home for any or no reason. It was just pretty crazy to find out after working for Uncle Sam for ~35 years that furloughs could happen. And of course who got hit was completely random and unrelated to true need or any interest in actually saving money. | ||
| Sifo |
And of course who got hit was completely random and unrelated to true need or any interest in actually saving money. And that, in a nutshell, is exactly the problem. | ||
| Court |
Like the hundreds of thousands of dollars a week spent to "close" public areas that, being unstaffed, cost only hundreds of dollars a week. Stupid. Not what I expect from the custodian of my money. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Ban all gov. pensions. | ||
| Aesquire |
Question. I was probably talking about a different time. Was Cruz in D.C. for that budget argument? The one where Barry called for maximum pain? I remember Nancy Pelosi insisted they couldn't spend one penny less. Period. Then flew home on the 757 Pelosi demanded because a Gulfstream wasn't good enough. I also don't recall if her $50,000+ liquor tab on our 757 was one trip or cumulative. | ||
| Alfau |
Stop tying to rule the world and sort out your own disgusting filth and inequality.  | ||
| Torquehd |
Hi, I'm a troll, and I'm here posting statements and pictures that are 0% related to the content of this forum. That is all. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Many people were "furloughed" during the shutdown, essentially put on "leave without pay". They were not reimbursed for this time off. Of course this wound up actually costing MORE money than if it had stayed "open", as contractors working on things such as government construction projects were stopped as there was no one at work to oversee what they were doing. When the government restarted, the contractors were due money for lost time, shutdown/startup costs, etc. Hugh, are you a government employee or a contract employee? I was working at the Army Research Lab in MD. at the time of the shut down and the federal employees were reimbursed but some of the private contractors were not depending on their specific contracts. In my experience and observation of the federal government nothing they do rarely makes sense. Btw, Pellis and I went to a rally at the WW2 Memorial during that time in support of the veterans who were being denied access due to that evil SOB Obama. By the way, I recall Cruz and Sara Palin attending the rally but don't recall seeing any other politicians. Cruz earned my respect that day. (Message edited by ferris von bueller on March 04, 2016) | ||
| Hughlysses |
Hugh, are you a government employee or a contract employee? I was working at the Army Research Lab in MD. at the time of the shut down and the federal employees were reimbursed but some of the private contractors were not depending on their specific contracts. In my experience and observation of the federal government nothing they do rarely makes sense. I'm a government employee. About 2/3 of the people that work at our district were furloughed. IIRC, we were told to stay home every other week for a little over a month. The 1/3 that weren't furloughed were based on some obscure code in their position description that had no meaning for anyone 'til this happened. Basically people working on military construction were furloughed, while people who were working on "civil works" (dams, dredging harbors, issuing wetlands permits) were not. Of course people's codes had been assigned randomly without regard to what they were actually working on. Crazily, I was able to work a little overtime during the weeks I was not furloughed so that work could be completed to meet schedules that had been promised to customers. The whole thing about "closing" various Federal parks was nuts. Seems like they even went to the trouble to go and put barricades up on the overlooks on the Blue Ridge Parkway, which are normally unmanned. Yea, our president was absolutely just trying to piss people off. |
