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Court
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2016 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Most Representatives do not start off rich and can barely afford the rents of Washington DC which is another corrupting influence.

I continue to ask how folks make the moderate income of a politician and, a few short years later, have net worth in the millions.
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Strokizator
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2016 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wyoming legislature meets for not more than 60 days every 2 years and not more than 40 days in any one year. Most of the time is spent figuring out how many elk permits to issue ; ). Pay is $150/day + per diem. If only this was universal.
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2016 - 01:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Decentralization makes it more than an order of magnitude difficult for a Congress person to illegally get rich at the expense of the American People.

Making Congress accountable to the laws they pass the same as us will also restore virtue to America. If you stayed awake in Civics or American History, then you will remember the role of Virtue in a Republic.

These are not empty platitudes that are being offered. These are workable ideas that the Electorate can embrace with proper guidance and leadership. America can skyrocket back to its lost prominence with honest representation and politicians that come from so-called "ordinary" people. In America, an ordinary person can easily become extraordinary.
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Airbozo
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just heard on the news that Christie is going to drop out and Fiorina just announced she is dropping out.

Good riddance to both of them and what took so long? Neither were electable and were just delusional to think they had a chance. They both must have thought they had a chance otherwise why run?

I am glad Kasich came in second and I hope he gets more air time. I like that he has real experience to show governing people. Have to look into him some more.

Rubio seems too scripted and part of the problem. Cruz comes off as a cross between a televangelist and used car salesman. I feel like I need a shower every time I hear him speak.
Trump? Well if he wins the nomination, the republican party will reap what it has sown the last couple of decades.

I took that poll and was embarrassed to say that Bernie was supposed to be my choice. Not sure how that works since I abhor free programs. Something you get for free means far less than the same thing you work hard for and it shows.

I am taking a business law class at the local community college and just about everyone is sporting the "Feel the Bern" stickers. We had a discussion in class about what "Free" really means. I doubt anyone in my class (with one exception) has actually ever worked a real job before and none of them have ever paid income taxes.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>>>Neither were electable and were just delusional to think they had a chance.

I agree.

Frankly, there's not a sole in the race, either Dem or Rep, that I'd leave my dog with for the weekend.

Trump is a sideshow idiot
Hillary will . . or should be . . indicted criminally
Sanders is a sideshow idiot

Really your choice comes dow to "reality show star" or "communist".

Never thought I'd see it in my lifetime.

We deserve better leaders.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was hoping "fought for your rights in the Supreme court" was a positive?

Not that I "like" Cruz, he talks for the crowd like anyone else. At least he doesn't fake a Ebonics accent like Hillary.
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Macbuell
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Someone tell me about Kasich. Should I be rooting for him?
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If you listen to Cruz talk in an other-than-sound-bites format, I think you'll like what he has to say. The "debates" are a bunch of crap. You can't spell out your policy in the time allotted. And they aren't debating...they're answering questions. It's a glorified press conference.
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Airbozo
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I watched a few interviews of him for the m-i-l (Cruz has her vote) and always watch the political interview shows (from fox to cnn) and my comment stands. Something about the guy creeps me out. I know that's not a scientific reason, but my judgement of people is usually straight on. Of course that might be different if I could speak to the man in person.

I think I mainly like Kasich because he is running on his record. Good or bad (depending on your side), he stands on it and I can't recall him slamming other candidates. He actually answers the moderators questions at the debates before he pushes his message. I have to admit I don't know that much about him, but I am going to learn more.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 07:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would be happy with him too.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2016 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I watched a few interviews of him for the m-i-l (Cruz has her vote) and always watch the political interview shows (from fox to cnn) and my comment stands. Something about the guy creeps me out. I know that's not a scientific reason, but my judgement of people is usually straight on. Of course that might be different if I could speak to the man in person.

I know what you are talking about. I have to agree. At the same time, he is being painted as an establishment candidate, yet he took the fight against Obamacare to the Senate floor all by himself, while the establishment capitulated. That to me shows he is more than willing to kick the establishment to the side and follow his conscience, and also shows some real leadership qualities. Unfortunately, often in dire times, true leaders have very few followers.

I'm still officially undecided. All candidates have aspects that really offend me. Kasich has really caught my attention, but I remember there was something that came to light a while back that had me screaming WTF! I've forgotten exactly what that was, but I know it's there. I would probably be as happy with him as the rest of the field though. I doubt he will have the traction to go far beyond NH though.

I'm still hoping a new Reagan will show himself/herself. I sure don't see it at this point though. To be fair, I don't think it was seen in Reagan before he had been in office for a while either. I want to be wrong on this one.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 07:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's kind of where I am at. I'd probably hire Cruz for the job, and he would probably do a decent job, but I see him rattle of some patronizing sound bites (calculated ones for sure, but still patronizing) to drum up support among those on the right that have been screwing up the party for the last two decades, and I just get sad. Probably an electoral necessity, but I wish we were better.

I wanted to like Fiorina, but it didn't take long to be uninspired.

I wanted to like Carson, but heard a few interviews, and didn't see the depth or wisdom that I was expecting from somebody that had his accomplishments.

I'm sure I would like them all better if I knew them and didn't have to see them through a hostile (and largely incompetent) media filter.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 07:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill- You're from Ohio; what's your opinion of Kasich? I used to like him a lot when he was in Congress, but I haven't kept up with him lately.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cruz is hated by the establishment. Those who claim he IS establishment are lying.

None make me real happy but as pointed out above you haven't seen them not in hostile interview or full campaign sound bite mode.

And even Jeb who I am beginning to loathe is better than the aging white socialists on the D side. Barely maybe but still.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't know a lot about him, I didn't pay a lot of attention, but he seemed to do a decent job.

He was a typical Ohio republican, a frown up in the room, a pragmatic moderate conservative (a good thing I think).

The few times I heard about him, it seemed to be people being offended for the right reasons (extreme groups on right and left offended that he choose common sense and effectiveness over highly impractical purity of positions).
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Then again, there's Cthulhu:

https://cthulhuforamerica.com/

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Tootal
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's interesting how some of you see Cruz. A good friend told me he thinks Cruz is a snake oil salesman!
I admit, he's not the "Great Communicator" that Ronald Reagan was but, as mentioned, his oratory in the Congress, when he stood all by himself, was impressive. In fact when I heard he even read some of the book Atlas Shrugged I really became a fan.
I believe he's a no BS guy and a true believer in the Constitution. I like his flat tax and getting rid of the IRS idea's too.
I believe that he and Carson both believe that the "government" is the problem!
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 12:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pretty much agree with Reep.

The establishment folk, Hillary, Jeb, didn't do well in N.H. which is imho a good thing. The old corrupt guys gotta go.

Glenn Beck has been doing Trump said this then that with documentation all week. Beck has endorsed Cruz, so it's openly partisan, but honest.

Now is the time to be honestly partisan for the ones you prefer. In November you get to choose between someone you won't agree with on some issues or someone who will take away your choices. I'm not asking for a pledge or any idiot stuff. If your choice wins I'll vote for them and I hope you vote for the guy not your first choice if your choice loses..... when the time comes.
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Tootal
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 01:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If your choice wins I'll vote for them and I hope you vote for the guy not your first choice if your choice loses..... when the time comes.

Absolutely! For me that goes without saying but it's true many stayed away when Romney ran and look what we got!

I wasn't a huge fan of Romney but I don't understand why anyone would just not vote. I will vote for whichever nominee wins, no doubt, and hope everybody else does too!
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can understand.

Pick the guy.... let's say Jeb, that you really don't like. Staying home because it was Mitt, or this year Jeb, just means you lose. And, frankly, you lose the cred to complain if you won't help pick OUR EMPLOYEE.
( you still have the right, but lack credibility)
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Was just enjoying the memes posted in the Marxist (Democrat) thread. They are an incredibly effective way to expose the deception and hypocrisy of politics and Democrat politicians especially.

We need some memes for Trump. I just don't understand how libertarian minded conservatives can trust the man. He's never been about small govt or conservative principles, quite the opposite. Plus being divorced twice is a total non-starter. No candidate who left his wife–Reagan's left him against his will–has ever won the office. Too many women will oppose a candidate on that issue alone. It speaks strongly of poor character. Trump talks a good game; so did Obama.

Barring some kind of unforeseen meltdown or catastrophic revelation, Cruz appears to be the candidate best suited to a Reagan revival. His actions speak for themselves. He may come across ass a slick talker, but his life is nothing but exceptional focus and achievement in defense of our Constitutionally protected rights. I strongly urge those suspicious of Cruz to read his book. The man has alienated his own party establishment in the senate, and rightly so. THAT speaks volumes.
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Trump?  Seriously!?
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bill (Reep),

You're "socially liberal"? Really? To me that means you support the "liberal" policies for social issues, so you'd be supporting abortion on demand, not informing parents of adolescent abortions, the welfare state, affirmative action, a race-based and "social justice" view of society, anti-2nd Amendment, the mandatory judicially decreed redefinition of marriage.

I think what you mean is socially "libertarian"?

Please have your son watch the short videos produced by the PragerU. They are a Godsend to combat the bias of the popular media. Here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/user/PragerUniversity
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Blake
Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 06:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So many people imagine conservative social policy as looking to "getting govt into the bedroom." It's ludicrous. Conservative policy is to let the people as consenting adults behave as they like in private along with allowing the people to decide what the definition of marriage ought to be instead of a few judges.

Liberal social policy also includes open borders and amnesty.

The conservative social view is to adhere to Constitutional rule of law.
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Ulyranger
Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2016 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am not sure if I know what "conservative" means any more in light of how it is currently defined and who claims it's mantle. Very similar to how what is now identified as "liberal" which lately seems very authoritarian...

I do have a very good understanding of who believes in individual liberties and responsibilities (inseparable) and has actively fought for them.......


......that's where my support is going.

I don't fear the man that says you have the freedom to hack out your own existence, but the one(s) who claim they will fix it all for you...........RUN!!!
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, February 15, 2016 - 01:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As a self proclaimed ye olde school social liberal Blake, let me address your concerns. This only applies to me, Reep can speak for himself.

Abortion. Yes, on demand, free from interference from the statistically likely rapist, ( Mom's boyfriend ) & with some limitations on the baby you mean to kill's development. The latter is not going to make the "feminist" who votes for an accused rapist because he supports abortion happy, but it's where I stand.

Welfare state. At this point where even the arguably good Clinton era reforms have been eliminated by Taqiya Barry's executive action, stopping it immediately would burn the cities down. And not do the severely unemployed country side much good either.

It's going to take a generation to end the Plantation mentality. The cities may have to burn. I don't have a quick answer. After all, aren't we promised free high speed internet as an inalienable right? Freedom of religion is far more tenuous.

Racist policies? Affirmative action, quotas, social injustice. ( mob rule by balkanization ) No. Unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, must be rejected.

I'm rabidly pro civil rights. ( 2nd amendment )

I'm pro gay marriage. Also pro group marriage. If all special tax perks to marriage must be removed so some folk who don't approve stop complaining they don't want others to get what they get, then it's unfortunate everyone loses the perks. Tearing the institution down for a tiny fraction seems nuts to me.

The method gay marriage was imposed is a bigger issue than the issue itself.


And I'm fully with the baseline on what happens between consenting adults is none of your business. Period.

That also means I don't want to pay for your sex toys or birth control. Plenty of private charities for that. The Greenies should be happy to donate to a cause that reduces the human footprint on Gaia. And planned parenthood has done wonders advancing the cause of it's founders and needs no govt. Funding to continue her racist genocide.

I am a fiscal conservative, & a hawk, Jacksonian tending, libertine. ( yes I spelled that right )

Any questions?
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Blake
Posted on Monday, February 15, 2016 - 01:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patrick,

I don't think you told us anything new; we've discussed such issues many times over the years. But sharing your views is much appreciated.

Yes, the means by which the radical redefinition of marriage was rammed down our throats is the most troubling aspect of that issue. Most don't know the basic details of that; only eleven states had passed same sex marriage through vote by referendum among the people or by the state legislature. All the rest were imposed by judges. And then the majority in the SCOTUS justified their opinion based on the fact that a minority of states must not be allowed to deny rights that have been affirmed by the majority of states. It's a blatant lie. The reasoning is valid if the claim of majority was unimpeachable. The people of California voted against SSM twice. Only the judges made it law.

We'll see if the same reasoning is applied for concealed carry licensing across state lines. Hahahah, Imagine NY and California suddenly forced to accept the 2nd amendment and concealed carry rights that are typical among all but a few states.

For "liberals" a majority of states recognizing rights only counts when said rights align with "liberal" ideology.

Roe v Wade was also based upon lies.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, February 15, 2016 - 08:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Roe v Wade asserts that your dealings with your medical care is none of the government's business. ( no comment on allegations of lies. )

Based on that logic Obamacare is unconstitutional, as is government funding of abortion. None of their business. It's "the law of the land".

When Obama puts forward another lying sack candidate for the Supremes ( the last one lied through her teeth to Congress ) it will be the swing vote to take away your rights. Not just 2nd amendment, 1st amendment, and freedom of movement.

It's the end of recreational motor vehicles. After all, what's more important, you riding your quad, wrecking the Earth, or saving us from Global Warming? The answer is obvious. ( if you admire Mao, like Warren & Obama )
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, February 15, 2016 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blake, fair point, but my objection to that "socially liberal" grocery list is regards to how they violate the rule of law and impact another party against their will.

So good clarification... I'm fiscally conservative, constitutionally conservative, and rule of law conservative, but socially liberal. And even the social liberal part isn't that I think all the agendas are wise, it's just that I don't think its any of my business, nor is it my right to force my will on others in the form of laws.
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