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     Hybridmomentspass |
Ferris - why 'hold your nose'?? I think that's what got us in this mess, people thinking, "ok, I'll just hold my nose and vote ______ one more time, cause THIS time will be different..." Why vote for someone that you do not believe in? | ||
| Aesquire |
In the General election you will have to choose between an ancient evil marxist or whatever fill in the blank the R party has. If you are an idiot you will vote for stealing your neighbors stuff. The reason you would be an idiot is the marxist types are lying about you getting free stuff. The rest of us, hopefully including you, will have to hold our nose if a jerk is the alternative. That part is yet to be decided. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Why not write in? Im sorry, but I will not 'hold my nose' again. The reason these people keep getting put up is because they know people will still vote for them because of the letter beside of their name. It is time to send a message to Washington. You can throw your vote to someone you dont believe in, but not me, I'll write in another candidate before I 'hold my nose' | ||
| Zane |
Back in June I wrote in this thread that Trump didn't have a snowballs chance. I was clearly wrong. I've come around a complete 180 degrees and will vote for Trump in the primary. I've finally put my finger on why he's so popular: Those of you old enough, think back to 1979 when Jimmy Carter was president. The country was deep in a malaise that permeated the country. Then along came Ronald Reagan. His policies weren't all that radical but he had an overwhelming optimism. Not fake or put on but an honest to God believe that things were going to get better. That as much as anything, that was his strength. Now think about Trump. He's got that same optimism that Ronald Reagan had. Think about Trump's message: Let's make America great again! It's going to be HU-UUGE. Let's make better deals... So much of what comes out of his mouth is optimistic for America. Seems to me this is why Trump is doing so well and is bullet proof in the polls. I can see Trump taking the nomination and then the Presidency. edited for clarity... (Message edited by Zane on January 25, 2016) | ||
| Aesquire |
So Hybrid, you may throw your vote away? ( in the General election ) That attitude is what gave us the extra four Barry years ,the Barry Wars, rape gangs and masturbating bathers in Europe and mass murder jihad here. Plus the upcoming loss of civil rights and millions without healthcare. I assure you, I sympathize with your view. I urge you to vote your conscience in the primary. And maybe we won't have to hold our nose in November. And if Hillary wins by one vote in your state....... it's your fault. | ||
| Alchemy |
Trump might win the primary but not the general election. Demographics are against him. His popularity is largely based on his great skills at self-promotion. He has been successful in de-railing his running mates but not much attention has really been turned on him. Surely he has done many generous things but those acts somehow always seems to accrue back to his "brand". He lacks a moral foundation when all is said and done. Very few people with strong moral convictions are involved with the sin industries like the gambling IMO. Lots to dig into there and then there is the little issue of organized crime in the construction industry. Trump will have an enthusiastic group of supporters but beyond that group he has some hard slogging ahead of him. How far can any candidate get without a core group of support in the minority communities? And if the morality issue comes up, then the evangelical constituent may not come out for him. The next few months should be interesting. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"So Hybrid, you may throw your vote away? ( in the General election ) That attitude is what gave us the extra four Barry years ,the Barry Wars, rape gangs and masturbating bathers in Europe and mass murder jihad here. Plus the upcoming loss of civil rights and millions without healthcare. I assure you, I sympathize with your view. I urge you to vote your conscience in the primary. And maybe we won't have to hold our nose in November. And if Hillary wins by one vote in your state....... it's your fault." I dont call it throwing my vote away if I believe in my heart I am doing the right thing. Hey, you do what you got to do, but I wont have it on my conscious that I voted for someone I dont believe in and they got to power and did NOTHING different. But if you really think that had an R been in the WH that the "Barry Wars" (What is that, by the way?) or gang rapes wouldnt have happened then you are delusional. This stuff has happened under R and D for decades. And while Im not a fan of the ACA, millions didnt have healthcare before Obama. Nothing changing there I hate to break it to you, but he aint the anti-Christ some make him out to be, the bringer of all that is evil. As of right now none have won me over. No one has stood out tall among the others. Now, that said, some I WOULD NOT vote for (Carson and Christie come to mind). We'll see what happens in the future. | ||
| Zane |
I'm not sure that demographics are against him. In my circle of friends 3 of the 4 people of color are supporting Trump. None think Hilary can be trusted. Now I'm currently living in a very conservative area (Houston/Galveston) and I'm sure Trump won't do well in the inner cities of America but he's convincing people I never would have thought would give him a second look. Well see what happens in Iowa.. | ||
| Aesquire |
Hybrid. I mostly agree. I too am disgusted at being screwed by people I voted for. Since we are both law abiding citizens of The Republic we can't tar and feather them. Pity. Maybe we'll have to next year. But in November I find it hard to believe that I can vote for....or toss away my vote, which means the same thing, for Hillary who has proven she will send you or me to prison to cover her own proven lies. She did it before she'll do it again. | ||
| Gregtonn |
I dont call it throwing my vote away if I believe in my heart I am doing the right thing. The heart is not an organ of logic. I suggest you use your brain when you vote. G | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Were the Sons of Liberty law abiding citizens? Nah, but they got stuff done. By NO means am I saying we should physically punish these politicians for being liars (if that was the case we'd be punishing a LOT of people). But we have to do something to show them we're tired of this. Me, I'll show them by using my vote. Honestly, Ive lost a lot of faith in the R party (never had much in the D party lol). They control the Congress yet not much has changed for the better because of it. You (not YOU Aes, but in general) can say, "well if _____ is in as Pres then it'll be different" I disagree. Who knows , still a long ways till elections, hopefully someone steps up with a real plan to fix things and the balls to back that plan up. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"The heart is not an organ of logic. I suggest you use your brain when you vote. G" lol oh please Yeah, use your brain and vote for the 'lesser of two evils' and all that nonsense I will not vote for an evil. I will not vote for someone who hasnt earned my vote. You may call it throwing it away, but I'll be able to sleep fine at night after making my vote, will you be able to say the same after you 'hold your nose'?? | ||
| Gregtonn |
'lesser of two evils' is the cowards argument. The truth is there are no perfect candidates. They are not evil but because you are unwilling to make a difficult choice you will let others do it for you. G | ||
| Aesquire |
I happily will tell you to vote for the guy/gal not in office. They haven't failed you yet. Vote out the incumbent unless it's a rare good one. Yes. Yes. Yes. Who is prez does make a difference. Throwing away THAT vote is all I'm talking about. Pick the better choice and vote for them. Every time. Screw "electability" go with your brain & heart. But don't quit and let the b astards win. That is exactly what the establishment crooks want. We'll discuss the tar etc. Off line over beverages.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Hybrid. Please understand, I'm with you until you hit despair. The whole " the parties are the same" & "I'll just stay home/write in Erik" mantras are the losing side's trick. I left despair behind and am in fury. I don't let it crank up the blood pressure but I am not taking this crap in silence. When those $#/^& that lied to us run again, REMEMBER. Show up at a rally and speak up. ( try not to swear.... that's hard for me ) support the new guy, tell everyone how the old, new guy lies. Make them drag you away so the media wants to interview you. Enjoy. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Why vote for someone that you do not believe in? I'm actually a registered Democrat for reasons I won't bore you with but if I could vote in the Republican primary I would choose Cruz. However, in the general election I would rather light myself on fire than vote for any of the Demonrats. As far as the Republicans are concerned, Trump's support is partially to "show them we are tired of this". He represents the "middle finger" to the establishment. He also has a populist message with some common sense views, though short on specifics and probably not within the realm of possibility when it comes to implementing his ideas. He's done a lot of flip-flopping so the question is which Donald Trump is the real one. (Message edited by ferris von bueller on January 25, 2016) | ||
| Reepicheep |
That might be the one path by which conservatives would vote for Trump. All they expect him to do is walk in there and cause chaos. Absent an actually qualified candidate, and given the degree to which the 40% of the population that did not vote for Obama have been battered by executive orders and creative interpretation of laws (instead of the prescribed legislative processes), why not elect Trump? He can't make it any worse, and he will at least leave a trail of destruction behind him for the existing political elites of both parties. | ||
| Aesquire |
Oh..... he could make it worse. Otoh..... Hillary or Bernie WILL make it worse. Hillary has already promised her faithful she will take your guns. Since Barry's dictat almost undoubtedly will be to require a Federal license to sell a gun or gift one to a daughter ( or any gift ) & you know that actually getting a FFL after such an illegal decree will be ..... slow. ( but now you are on the short list ) All Hillary needs is another mass murder jihad attack to crack down on the OFFICIAL terrorist list. Veterans. Christians. People who think she should obey the law ( aka people who love the Constitution ) & of course the real nuts who think they can evade taxes just because they read a pamphlet. ( but not Jihadi. That would be racist ) | ||
| Aesquire |
Hybrid. When did the zerg rush start in Europe? After, or before Barry declared Assad must go and started his second gun running op from Libya to Syria? Then lied about it and sent a man to prison to make the point internationally that he supports Sharia and punishment for those who would slander the Prophet. I wasn't a whatshisface fan either last election. A lot of folk stayed home because he was uninspiring and refused to confront Obama's policies. Barry the anti-Christ? Nah. Maybe George Soros?  He's not alone. He was endorsed by the Communist Party. ( Hillary asked them not to endorse her, again, that year ) Btw, what do you not like about Carson? Not arguing, curious. | ||
| Sifo |
Why not write in? Im sorry, but I will not 'hold my nose' again. The reason these people keep getting put up is because they know people will still vote for them because of the letter beside of their name. It is time to send a message to Washington. You can throw your vote to someone you dont believe in, but not me, I'll write in another candidate before I 'hold my nose' Ha Ha! You know what happens to your "write in" vote when it goes through the automated counter? Nothing. It's not even counted. It's not a vote. Yeah, that will show them. You would accomplish more by staying home and drinking beer. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Satan's greatest trick has been convincing people that he doesn't exist. | ||
| Rick_a |
That goes for all politicians. Dishonesty and outright lying is part of the game. It's usually easy to figure out by looking into their past political history...but in the Trumpster's case that's a bit difficult to surmise. | ||
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| Hootowl |
Huh. I thought she left when GW got reelected. I guess she was just talking out of her ass. Like she is now. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.pjtv.com/series/afterburner-with-bill-w hittle-56/trump-11748/ As usual, Bill says it better than me. We have some Trump fans here, and I don't blame them. Just the telling off of FOX news and the salespersons of hype thrills me. I have serious issues with other parts of Trump's platform, such as I know it. But I'd vote for him in November if the choice is him or Hillary/Bernie. In a heartbeat if it's Trump or Cuomo, or Bloomberg. Any freaking time. Jeb? I have to say that Jeb lost me when he decided to go after the Latino vote by telling me I'm not as hard working. True, I don't work as hard as the illegal immigrant scrubbing toilets in fear for her life because her employers hold her in slave labor with threats of deportation. I didn't work as hard as she does when I scrubbed toilets for a living either. I wasn't in fear for my life, just in fear for my rent payment. There is a difference. That's why she came here. To make that jump. I don't blame her. I DO blame Jeb for exploiting that women just as much as the coyotes that robbed and probably raped her. Screw you Jeb. Now, I'd vote for Jeb over Hillary..... but I'd really need a drink, and I might have to immigrate to Australia & live next door to Alfau. If they'd let me in. Carson & Fiorina seems to have no chance, and probably with some justification. I still wouldn't mind Carly in the V.P. slot. Rubio I rejected long ago, seeing him as a corrupt man who is willing to screw my fellow American Workers for a big donation from Apple or Disney. I haven't seen anything to change my mind, so far. and I'd still vote for him instead of Hillary. ( I'd vote for ANY of the candidates instead of Hillary, so that's not a big plus ) Cruz, I like more and more. Perfect? Not even close. But one of the few on the planet that actually has fought for my rights. I currently hope he wins. I may change my mind. Hybrid, Without going on a point by point rebuttal, let me put it this way. Just imagine I post each of your statements about the corruption and the way the jerks recently elected to Congress pretended to be Tea party constitutionalists, and then promptly voted as they were ordered by the Republican Leadership who are the ones that told us "they can't do anything unless you vote R, some more and give us both sides of Congress". Yes, yes, yes, yes, Don't you just wish lightning would strike them? and..... Don't despair. Sure the Leaders don't deserve a micron of loyalty from you. Yes, I'm annoyed as hell that a bunch of weasels promised to do a bunch of stuff, and 20 seconds after they got to D.C. had it explained to them that "it doesn't work that way" and if they didn't do as they were told they'd never get a junket to Fiji, a committee position, and their wives would be outcast and never get to go to parties. ( the most powerful threat ) Torques me off no end too. But. The tea party is NOT politicians. I don't agree with much of the supposed platform. What it really is, is a lot of us are mad as hell, and aren't going to take it anymore, and still are trying to work through the system, and take over the R party. ( because the D party is unfixable and there is no D reform movement ) It's going to take time. I meant it when I said, "Remember" those who told you they were going to stop the spending and promptly spent more money than ever before. The people kicked a bunch of Republican Congressmen out the last time they took power on the pretext of reducing the debt and instead went nuts spending, and it will happen again. Remind us next election for those people so we can fire them. And in November, pick the lesser of two evils, and try and stop Cthulu, I mean Hillary. She's worse. Hard to believe. But still true. | ||
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| Alfau |
Who said "Money can't buy you love" ? Donalds' wife.  | ||
| Alfau |
 No brainer who to vote for if you ask me. Don't immigrate to Australia & live next door to Alfau, He thinks you like bums. | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't care if the spouse is smoking hot...... not to say I don't enjoy eye candy. In fact I'd love to see intelligent interviews with the spouses of the candidates. It would tell you a lot about them. I don't expect intelligent interviews at all unfortunately. ... So Cruz, Trump, Rubio. Could have been worse. I don't want Rubio. But I can say that J. Bush has so annoyed me with his apparent strategy of destruction that I'd pick Rubio over Bush. I'd pick Christie over Bush and that's saying something. ( & not good things ) Off to New Hampshire. Remember that Barry sent his minions to vote for McCain. Hillary had a lock in N.H. so the Barry campaign used the opportunity to pick a guy to lose to their guy. Smart. Effective. N.H. has open primaries. My question is, will Hillary&Bernie be preoccupied with each other or will one try a repeat of 2008? Simply, will one send voters to vote for ( say ) Trump, and concede N.H. ? Both H & B are certainly accepted as the only real candidates so if one is sure to lose, why not help the opposition candidate you figure you can beat in the general? I don't see any of the R candidates going for that tactic, but it could work this year. All depends on if the campaign gurus think they can lose N.H. and still get the nomination. Trump secretly pushing to get Sanders for an opponent, for example. Opinions? |
