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     Hootowl |
People vote in primaries not a cabal of bushies. Any of the candidates could win the nod if they can convince people to vote for them. As trump has done. When the noise dies down and people get to compare fewer candidates giving more than sound bites, they'll see that trump is not presidential material and that there are better options. I hope. | ||
| Fb1 |
I can provide source material if you want to dive into the subject deeper.  Let me put it this way: The Powers That Be (PTB) want either Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush as our next pResident. Doesn't matter which one; they're both the same. And they have rigged the deck (i.e., the mechanics of the nomination process), to insure the outcome: Clinton or Bush. Again, it doesn't matter to them which one. Trump has mucked up their plans. More specifically, when Trump announced and IMMEDIATELY began gaining yuge national traction, that's when he became a yuge thorn in the side of the PTB and their plans to elect the next Uniparty pResident. Like him or not (I can tell you don't), he's the ONLY R candidate who can win the nomination besides Bush. It boils down to simple math. To fully comprehend this, one has to understand how the nomination process works. There's a specific, planned-well-in-advance reason why there are so many R candidates: they (mostly; there are a few exceptions) are "splitters" for Bush. Bush doesn't have the horsepower to win the R nomination on his own, not even close. In fact, the PTB are presently engaged in an epic struggle simply to drag him, bloody, bruised, confused and apathetic, across the finish line (much the same as they've had to do with our CURRENT pResident). There is NO chance of anyone other than Bush (or, now, Trump) winning the R nomination. Mathematically, it just isn't possible. The system has been stacked in favor of Bush, and Trump has wreaked absolute havoc in their plans. They didn't anticipate Trump tossing his hat in the ring, and they SURE didn't anticipate him resonating with the American public like he has. I'm not trying to convince you to change your opinion of Trump; I'm trying to help you understand the behind-the-scenes mechanics of the R nomination process, and how it has been rigged for one, and only one, outcome: Bush. And then along came Trump. I can provide source material if you'd like to delve into this deeper. | ||
| Fb1 |
...bloody, bruised, confused and apathetic... ^ It occurs to me this is also a perfect description of the Hildabeest. Why anyone in their right mind would even consider voting for her is beyond my comprehension. ...in their right mind... Yeah, I already answered my own question... | ||
| Hootowl |
Sure, post it. But if Trump can upset this carefully orchestrated farce of a nomination process, (where you'd have me believe that all the other nominees are secretly pulling for Bush or Clinton, and are only in the game to achieve victory for one of those two) then anyone can defeat the cabal and win the nomination. Honestly, you're coming off as a conspiracy nut on this one. Which is a bit disconcerting, because you've never shown that tendency in the past. Are there powerful people pulling for Bush and Clinton? Sure. But they can't stop people from voting. So unless you're going to post evidence of a conspiracy to stuff the ballot box in favor of Bush (and how this was somehow thwarted by Trump throwing his hat in the ring) I will probably remain unconvinced. But I will read and consider your evidence. | ||
| Aesquire |
I don't, and won't try and dispute your belief that it's all run by a cabal of super rich would be illuminati. Why bother? It's at least partially true, ( Soros, Rothschilds, ) but there are more than One group of PTB. At more or less this time 2 cycles back, Hillary was a Lock. Period. Didn't happen, and you can speculate why and get pretty far out ( and thus probably true ). And... on the R side, it was the Obama Machine that selected McCain to be the loser, in large part using New Hampshire. ( knowing Hillary would win in NH, the Obama Forever Campaign had it's folk vote for McCain ) So, IMHO, while I don't generally disagree, it's too early to be certain what's going to happen, and there's always natural and man made disasters. What if a comet hits the Bush Compound? What if Trump's helicopter crashes? What if Wiccan radicals curse Carly? What if Air Force One goes down at sea and Joe Biden takes over as Clown in the White House..... then every country on the planet votes to kick us out of the U.N. after he gives a neck massage to the President of France's Mistress on tv? | ||
| Fb1 |
Honestly, you're coming off as a conspiracy nut on this one. Wow, that's pretty harsh, amigo. There are powerful interests and forces at play here, forces that reach well above and beyond the White House. We - the USA - have been infiltrated from without and within. But, you already know all this. Here's some study material for you; warning: this is not a quick, nor necessarily easy, read - there's a lot of ground to cover and information to digest. Take your time, follow the links, and in particular, read the comments on the various threads; there is much to be learned here: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/?s=road+map+sp litter | ||
| Fb1 |
So, IMHO, while I don't generally disagree, it's too early to be certain what's going to happen... I'm not at all certain what's going to happen. ...and there's always natural and man made disasters. ^ A hole card, in other words? Yep, they have several, IMO, and wouldn't hesitate a second to use 'em, IMO, if push comes to shove. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Please post more evidence of how it'll be Bush in the race. The R party would be shooting themselves in the foot if they put up another Bush as President or VP. If you honestly think he'll come around in the end and beat everyone else, when he's been polling in the single digits...and not even the high ones either (ie 8 or 9), then you are being silly. Also, cute of you to purposely capitalize the "R" in "President" each time. So clever... | ||
| Reindog |
Thank you. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Aesquire |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgfP0SLu-g#t=2353 @ about 39:15 they discuss that it seems that things are run by shadowy figures in a Star Chamber, and that thinking that way is a very unhealthy way to go. Yes, there are very rich people running things. They can run things because they can afford to bribe politicians. This is as it ever was. People of my lowly economic state can barely afford to live, much less give more than we make in a year to Obama. And notice that to get to talk to the President of the United States, you are required to Give his money laundering organization at least a half a million dollars. That he and his minions have institutionalized bribery to such an extent that UNLESS you are rich, he simply doesn't give a damn if you live or die. Unless it's a good p.r. move to pretend so, a concerned father of a son held captive in Iran will not be allowed to see, much less talk about his concerns with the President. | ||
| Rick_a |
I don't trust any politician. Trump is spouting off on everything people want to hear. Once in office whats stopping him form becoming another talking head like the rest? If it looks to good... Remember Obama's hope and change and everything was going to be fixed, right? | ||
| Fb1 |
Is Trump actually a politician yet? He's certainly not a career politician, in any event. He speaks quite unlike any politico I've ever heard, and doesn't seem to be pandering for votes, IMO. And in what I think is a big plus for him, he's funding his own campaign, thus not "begging" for big money, in return for big favors. He's actually "spouting off" what he believes in, IMO, and he has a proven, verifiable track record (unlike our current pResident) of accomplishment. He says he's a patriot. You don't believe him? Once in office, if he's elected? Yeah, sure, he could turn out to be a phony. There's quite a bit of faith and trust on our part ANY time we vote, eh? But, his words echo his core beliefs, IMO, and his personal (and business) history is easily researched and fact checked. Yeah, I remember "hoax and chains" very well. In 2008 the American public, with the aid of an extremely corrupt media, was duped something fierce. And in 2012, it was outright vote fraud that got him a second term, IMO. The media has attacked Trump from every angle, repeatedly, since the second he announced. And yet, his popularity continues to climb. He's resonating with a lot of people, and the folks he's reaching aren't lo-fo voters, either - they're people who are paying attention and who have done their due diligence. Like me. I can't even begin to equate Trump to 0Bama; I just can't get there from here. Your mileage may vary. | ||
| Fb1 |
Source, more: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/23/rem ember-mississippi-jeb-bush-and-marco-rubio-donors- pledge-support-to-kasich-tear-down-trump-campaign/ http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11 -23/trump-heads-to-ohio-as-rivals-sharpen-attacks- after-wild-week http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/22/us-usa-e lection-trump-idUSKBN0TB0UJ20151122#o6QFmoJhp57m3i jU.97 http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2015/11/tv- networks-hold-conference-call-to-discuss-trump-tre atment-216156 | ||
| Fb1 |
A commenter by the name of Bluto posted this up on the Treehouse; hammer, meet nail:
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| Blake |
Google "Cruz Rally"? | ||
| Tod662 |
Pretty much sums up the current state of the GOP Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism By Dr. Lawrence Britt Source Free Inquiry.co 5-28-3 Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each: 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution. 6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. | ||
| Hootowl |
Sounds like sharia. | ||
| Hootowl |
10 is flat out wrong. Do you know where fascism started? Do you know where the word came from? Do you know to whom it was first applied? | ||
| Reindog |
This was forwarded to me by a relative so I am unable to cite references. 1. President Marco Rubio and Vice President Carly Fiorina are sworn into office. 2. In a rare event on inauguration day, Congress convenes for an emergency meeting to repeal the illegal and unconstitutional Socialist healthcare farce known as Obamacare. The new Director of Health and Social Services Dr. Ben Carson announces that an independent group of healthcare management professionals is hired to handle healthcare services for poor and low income people. They are also assigned the duty of eliminating Medicare and Medicaid fraud. Government’s costs for public healthcare are reduced by 90%. Healthcare insurance premiums for working Americans are reduced by 50%. The move saves billions of taxpayer paid dollars. Healthcare service in the U.S improves 100%. 3. Newly appointed department of Homeland Security Chief Donald Trump announces the immediate deployment of Troops to the U.S. Mexico border to control illegal immigration and the immediate deportation of illegals with criminal records or links to terrorist groups. New bio-encrypted Social Security ID’s are required by every American citizen. Birthright is abolished. All immigration from countries that represent a threat to the safety of American citizens is terminated indefinitely. The move saves American taxpayers billions of dollars. Several prisons are closed. 4. Newly appointed Secretary of Business and Economic Development Ted Cruz eliminates more than half of the Government agencies operating under the Obama administration saving taxpayers billions of dollars. Stocks rise 100%. 5. Newly appointed Director of Government Finance Rand Paul announces the abolition of the IRS and displays a copy of the new Federal Tax Return form. It consists of one page. The instructions consist of two pages. The Federal Reserve is audited. The move saves American taxpayers billions of dollars and increases tax revenue. 6. Hillary Clinton is in jail, where she belongs. Her cell is directly across from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who are serving time for ‘Hate Crimes." She bitches at them constantly from behind the bars of her cell in what some might call cruel and unusual punishment. 7. Bernie Sanders is in the nuthouse, where he belongs. His room is directly across from Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Chris Matthews and Al Franken. They meet for tea every day at ten and discuss the success and benefits of Communism and Socialism throughout the world. They also wonder when the “Mothership” is going to pick them up and return them to their home planets. 8. Windows 12 is released. It is designed for humans, doesn’t try to satisfy the needs of every person on the planet, doesn’t require a degree in nuclear physics to operate and looks just like Windows 7 except it is easier to use. 9. Barack Obama flees the United States under cover of darkness and returns to his homeland of Kenya before his trial for treason begins. He deplanes on a remote jungle airstrip. It was reported that he was last seen wandering through the jungle singing “Hakuna Matata” with a chimp named Commie. 10. Oscar Meyer announces the introduction of a new cholesterol and fat free pepperoni that tastes just like regular pepperoni. 11. Not to be outdone, Kraft Foods announces the introduction of several varieties of cholesterol and fat free cheeses that taste just like regular cheese. 12. A committee is not established to determine what is causing global cooling. Billions of taxpayer dollars are saved. 13. Dead people are no longer allowed to vote in Chicago , a huge blow for the Democrat Party in the State of Illinois . And this my friends constitutes THE PERFECT DAY!!!!!! (Message edited by reindog on November 28, 2015) | ||
| Two_seasons |
Tod662: Rather than look at the BIG picture, you know, We The People, you look for gotcha's! I know of NO ONE on this site that calls themselves conservative that believe it is all the fault of ONE PARTY. You always seem to relish what others on the Left have to say about the Repubs. You ought to try forming your own thoughts and expressing them in a cogent manner. And finally, do you even believe in a United States of America? I take offense as an United States Navy veteran that you continue to inflame from one point of view. In Wisconsin today, this is exactly what is wrong with our State...a polarizing far Left and a polarizing far Right! | ||
| Fb1 |
...as an United States Navy veteran... Thank you for your service, sir, and may God bless America. | ||
| Aesquire |
Tod, you haven't answered my earlier questions, please respond on the other thread. Also, please post a link to the cut and paste above, it would help to get context. Thanks. I have a few issues with Dr. Britt's article. 1. Not so. also a sign of a healthy society. 2. yes 3. Oh, yes indeed, you will notice that communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. specialize in that. 4. I probably would partly agree, but it has zip to do with America after the last half century of anti- military propaganda. ( unless you are a fool who actually thinks the military is over half the budget. ) In the Constitution, the military ( provide for the common defense ) is a specified budget item. The only time the military budget is high is during times of war. 5. only half right. Yes, Hitler's and Stalin's regimes were characterized by heavy government hands in human sexuality. "Strength through joy", anyone? 6. sure, and golly that sure looks like the Obama regime, eh? 7. Oh, absolutely. Today, the # 1 threat is Global Warming, followed closely by Veterans, folk who believe in Laws not Dictators, and Christians. ( you gotta watch those Christians. They'll start a charity at the drop of a hat! Cut's into Government Monopolies ) 8. Oh F*&k YES. Note, for example, Obama's declaration that in Christianity, Salvation is a Collective thing. Directly opposite to the facts, and a tenant of a cult properly called "Demonic" by the previous Pope. When I agree with a Pope, it's serious. 9. yes. See GM, Solyndra, in fact all of Obama's dealings with a Wall Street that bribes him to get your money, taken in taxes. 10. Not exactly. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked. is happening in full swing right now on campuses in the U.S. Bastions of single think. Oddly, it's the Fascist View that is the Orthodoxy that Must Not Be Challenged. There is a high distaste for the Socialist Utopian academia", among Normal people, but it's the Religion of the Administration. 12. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. Yes, that fits Obama's promises. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. true in the U.S. under F.D.R. to a certain extent. 13. That's the Barry administration in a nutshell.. Could be the Marco administration too. ( and I think part of #13 is included in the definition of Fascism. It's a perfect description of Obama & his Cronies ) 14. certainly. See the 2012 Obama re-election, and the massive voter fraud. Also in Florida, the theft of the election from West. Actually, despite a few flaws, and they are glaring, Britt's article may be an excellent description of Obama's regime. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/261227-gop-don ors-wrestle-with-possibility-of-trump-nomination The Donald isn't a puppet, so, he will not get support. I don't support Donald, but given a choice between him and the Republican Establishment? I can't afford to go live on a luxury deserted island. Although, for amusements sake, it would be fun to make a list of people who will "leave America" if the Donald, or whoever wins. And keep it handy for when they don't. ( they almost never do ) | ||
| Fb1 |
https://youtu.be/ICF3hKXPy_A | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I wonder what Trumps state if the unions will be like? I bet it will be huge, big, like you've never seen before, something to tell your grandchildren... unbelievably huge... ? Trust me... it will be huge, like you've never seen before, something to tell your grandchildren... unbelievably huge...(repeat 5 more times) | ||
| Reepicheep |
That's the thing... I don't like Trump either as a person or as potential president. But i also have pretty much had it with the Republican party both as an organization and as a governing body. So would I vote for Trump if he was the republican candidate? Hmm... 1) Vote for Hillary, who has absolutely no sense of ethics and no respect for rule of law and put her in charge? 2) Vote for Trump, who, in addition to probably having no ethics and a respect though perhaps not an embracement of the rule of law, who will also dynamite the republican party? The latter would be slightly less distasteful, and infinitely more entertaining. I think the republican party needs to be burned to the ground, so it can be reborn as a true party of freedom, and unburden itself of people that feel the need to control other people (a poison that has infected both parties). | ||
| Fb1 |
It's great to see and hear Herman Cain again. Might he be our next Vice-President? Haven't read or heard this anywhere; just a hunch. https://youtu.be/CylaSwEZDsU | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Clinton has no chance. Funny to watch her speak to African Americans, now she lowering her voice... We will have a Republican potus, just which one...?? I like Cruze, Cristy, furino, Rubio, but really, any candidate will do good for the USA. I predict an unprecedented win by 70%. Even if Trump is the nominee, I will vote for him even though I probably will still not trust him. | ||
| Court |
We deserve better leaders. I've spent the last 2 days reading CIA briefings for an assignment next week and am coming to realized just how bungled our foreign policy is. |
