| Author | Message | ||
     Alfau |
Why not sell/ give them some more weapons? | ||
| Alfau |
reamasheep. History demonstrates that America profited by and sold weapons up until they were attacked by Japan during ww11 and if they could have stayed out of the fight they would have. | ||
| Sifo |
History demonstrates that America profited by and sold weapons up until they were attacked by Japan during ww11 and if they could have stayed out of the fight they would have. I've never heard of this before. Please provide some more information. I am aware of the US providing support to the Chinese prior to WWII, but that was fighting against Japan. I'm not the best student of history so I may well have missed us selling weapons to Japan prior to WWII, but that seems unlikely given our support of their enemy. | ||
| Chauly |
I know we sold them scrap steel and oil, but embargo'd them after they invaded China in '40. | ||
| Hootowl |
I think it was 31. | ||
| Hootowl |
And enough with the childish name calling please. | ||
| Malott442 |
@ alfau: reamasheep? Really? If you feel you are being attacked, the least productive response is with a vulgar counterattack. This board does not condone personal attacks anyhow. I understand you are at odds with a few other members.... And I feel like more than one involved have grown overly emotional and "pecky" in the rhetoric. Can we please try to get back on track? And you are right about the USA trying to minimize involvement. We never sold weapons as a country, but we didn't emplace an embargo on trade until Pearl Harbor. Did you ever look into why? There was this little pocket of time called The Great Depression. People literally starving to death, living on the streets.... Hundreds of thousands of people sitting on the side of the road with nowhere to go. We had just dug ourselves out of that hole, and lacked the credit and energy to participate in that war. It's not that we didn't care. All of us are children of the countries involved in those wars! I have ancestry tracing to France, Poland. What do you think happened to them? We offered supplies and support to our allies short of "boots on the ground", and kept a watchful eye on the horrors unfolding. Unemployment here was finally under 20%, and we were about 2 years into a 10 year rebuild of our credit and way of life. These numbers are a hip shot, and unsourced. I could be way off, but the point stands that we were still reeling from our deepest depression to date. We were doing the right thing for us, for the sake of us. Only when we realized that this war was against humanity, regardless of borders and relentless, did we respond. We responded instantly, tirelessly, and comprehensively. We sent over 300,000 of our sons and daughters back overseas on boats and planes, to meet their maker. I would say that we played a "small" role in the outcome of WWII.... Insulting our ancestors, our country, on a forum full of us, is going to draw return fire. Calling a longtime board member a goat raper will likely draw a ban hammer. Try to keep it amicable, if not at least respectable. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I can't even understand the original insult intended by the picture, much less the successive followup insults. Except the name calling. I get that of course. That makes it a little less likely I will do the work to try and understand a possibly important point somebody is trying to make, because it makes me suspect there is no point in there worth digging for. But the insult itself doesn't bother me. | ||
| Aesquire |
History demonstrates that America profited by and sold weapons up until they were attacked by Japan during ww11... Not quite. We did have normal commercial relations with Japan, until we started boycotting them when they were conquering China.... Which we, and the European powers, ( England, Italy, etc. ) let happen. Why? ask someone alive then. Good luck, that generation is going fast. We didn't supply weapons to Japan, except..... the Vought V-141/143 was a prototype fighter that lost the competition for a U.S. Army Air Corps fighter to the P-35 & P-36. Pretty much an obsolete machine when it was made, they sold it to Japan in 1937. I understand the landing gear design was copied for the Ki-series planes from Kawasaki, but the Japanese pretty much didn't get a lot of great design ideas out of it. Their stuff was better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_V-141 Also, the Douglas DC-4E. This was a one off super airliner that was built for several airlines..... who figured out that it was a bad idea after they'd all thrown desired specs at Douglas, and had built a plane by committee. Too big, too heavy, too thirsty, and a loser with no orders at all. Douglas got permission to sell it to Japan. They knew it was going to be reverse engineered, and so did the U.S. government, and the sale went ahead because everyone except the Japanese knew it was not state of the art, and even the engines were dead end designs and never got used in any production planes. The Japanese claimed they lost it in Tokyo bay on a test flight, oops. But actually sent it to Nakajima to be taken apart and used as the basis for a long range bomber. Total fail. I'm sure Douglas & ONI guys laughed a lot at this bit of industrial sabotage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-4E https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_G5N and if they could have stayed out of the fight they would have Heck yes! We'd already been screwed by the Europeans on China, and Europe, which if you haven't noticed has been at war since they discovered clubs, ( except for a brief time in the last half of the 20th Century with NATO ) was getting ready to do it all over again half a generation after the War To End All Wars... WW1. We didn't want a piece of that slaighter again... But there were some folk who saw what the Socialists in Germany were really up to, and they pulled strings and cheated, and started making weapons for England & France. At one point U.S. fighter planes were flown to an airstrip on the Canadian border, then pushed , by hand, across the border, to be flown away by Canadian pilots, since Congress had passed a law that we couldn't ship airplanes to the "belligerents" on either side. ( this was from the isolationists who didn't want to go to war again ) Another thing to consider, the entire U.S. Army in 1938 was smaller than the Polish Army, and the Polish Army was better equipped. The U.S. Army War Games of the time are freaking hilarious, and scary at the same time. Trucks with "Tank" painted on the side, Logs used as cannon, Soldiers with broom sticks instead of guns.... There's a great photo of a squadron of Curtis Shrike attack planes buzzing the "battlefield" in an impressive display of air power, and they laid smoke screens down to hide each side from the other..... And what you have to realize, is that was every single one of our most advanced airplane, period. they made 13. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_A-18_Shrike | ||
| Aesquire |
Reep, isn't it annoyingly amusing when someone tries to insult you? And fails, miserably. My guess is that the "picture" was intended to portray an entire country as war mongering fascist lunatics. Just a guess, since Alfau tends not to answer questions, like many Hillary supporters. ( Think he'll get that was a burn?  ) But... since I like airplanes ( did you guess that? ) and enjoy a nice formation shot, even badly photoshopped, I thanked him for it. Kinda inspirational. I also lived next to a SAC base, and had B-52's and B-47's flying over our apartment. All the time. ( no uncracked plaster in that building! ) So my reaction may not be American Culture Normal. I did miss the background. Lady Liberty standing in the middle of the Ocean mildly annoyed me. She stands facing the sea, a Gift from our French Allies, welcoming the refugees of tyranny. You have to have NYC behind that. Or New Jersey.  | ||
| Aesquire |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_campaign A forgotten war by many, the New Guinea islands were attacked, and partially occupied by Japanese forces, the Australian Army was pretty much all that was in the way from the islands becoming the stepping stone to take Australia. ( you can count the Jungle as a third combatant, deadly to both sides. ) | ||
| Alfau |
Reep, isn't it annoyingly amusing when someone tries to insult you? And fails, miserably. Ream was the implication, reap is the benifactor | ||
| Alfau |
did you take your medication Aspire? Or did you take too much? | ||
| Alfau |
This is what i got from your rant:- 1942 – 22 January 1943 Battle of Buna-Gona. The experience of the green US 32nd Infantry Division, just out of training camp and utterly unschooled in jungle warfare, was nearly disastrous. Instances were noted of officers completely out of their depth, of men eating meals when they should have been on the firing line, even of cowardice. MacArthur relieved the division commander and on 30 November instructed Lieut. Gen. Robert L. Eichelberger, commander of the US I Corps, to go to the front personally with the charge "to remove all officers who won't fight ... if necessary, put sergeants in charge of battalions ... I want you to take Buna, or not come back alive."  17] | ||
| Alfau |
And your reputation of being defeated by pathetically poor minorities won't go away by banning the messenger. | ||
| Alfau |
intended to portray an entire country as war mongering fascist lunatics Blake ! What do you do or a living ? | ||
| Gregtonn |
Hmmm... reamasheep? Sounds like AlfaEwe is propositioning someone.  G | ||
| Malott442 |
Alfau, you really are an unpleasant, unhappy person. I feel sorry for you. Your only apparent motivation is to attack others and stir the s@@t up. I, for one, am pretty tired of your antics. You pick one paragraph of a long story, and use it to insult our country's involvement in stopping Japanese from being the official language in the entire region. The Japanese fought to the death. They cannibalised the dead. Our boys were human.... And they really lost heart with no ammo, and no food. Aesquire appeared to be assisting in diffusing a situation and moving forward with useful conversation. So what do you do? You start attacking him? I find it really easy to imagine how much darkness is in your soul. I would wish you well, but I guess I am not mature enough yet. You can f@ck right off, alf. What is your real problem? Short penis? Short stature? Meak minded? Molested as a child? Radical Islam? Regardless of the reason, it is apparent that you have some real problems. This discussion was not labeled "America sucks, and why". Don't try to push it in that direction. This discussion is about the building belligerent aggression of a people driven by religion to attempt to occupy the world, and to place them under their fist. We, as a world, need to unite against this rise. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/11/eu ropes_scoffing_its_way_to_annihilation.html American Progressives feel the same. Utter superiority over the enemy with zero rational reason. And the enemy that concerns them far more than obedient Islam is their domestic ones. Anyone who questions the moral superiority of an ideology that killed more people in the 20th century than any other cause. | ||
| Alfau |
What is your real problem? Short penis? Short stature? Meak minded? Molested as a child? Radical Islam? Regardless of the reason, it is apparent that you have some real problems. This discussion was not labeled "America sucks, and why". Don't try to push it in that direction. What a typical American. lol. Who has a problem digesting the facts ? not me} | ||
| Crusty |
I support leash laws. I think that when dogs run loose, they tend to get into packs and attack innocent people. There are way too many people who won't use a leash when their dogs go out, saying that their dogs are voice trained. Then the cute little Pit Bull attacks some toddler and maims him for life. I think the owners should be held as responsible for their mutts' actions. What? You're not talking about Leash Laws; but instead, Deash Wars? Oh. That's different. Never Mind. | ||
| Alfau |
Europe is convinced – utterly – of the superiority of its civilization. Europe today has no questions. It "knows" there's no God. For the Godless there is no God. | ||
| Alfau |
An American in Australia is a duck out of water. | ||
| Crusty |
An American in Australia is a duck out of water. Since I'm "Down Under", does that mean I'm quacking up? | ||
| Alfau |
AlfaEwe Can you make a ewe turn ? Answer:- I can make her eyes pop. | ||
| Alfau |
Since I'm "Down Under", So does the pisser really spin the opposite way ? | ||
| Aesquire |
At the Sidney airport, 3/4 of all water use is tourists flushing the toilets to see. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427263/obamas -cynical-game-syria-jonah-goldberg?target=author&t id=897 For no one, other than the Butcher Assad and the unspeakable al-Baghdadi, is as responsible for the humanitarian catastrophe in Syria as is President Obama. No one has committed more sins of omission, no one has so ruthlessly sacrificed the well-being of Syria’s people for his own ends, as the man in the White House. In all the world, only President Obama had the ability to do anything significant to prevent this catastrophe; in all the world no one turned his back so coldly and resolutely on the suffering Syrians as the man who sits in the White House today—a man who is now lecturing his fellow citizens on what he insists is their moral inferiority before his own high self-esteem. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427449/defea t-ISIS | ||
| 1313 |
Crusty ROCKS! That's all I'm going to say on the topic of this thread... 1313 |
